"Race" in College Admission FAQ & Discussion 6

<p>Marine bio…
I’m a science type too, but I’m more into engineering or physics, so I can’t give u the best opinion
but I know that Stanford has an excellent one. Their research center up in monterey constantly comes up in discovery channel for new aquatic discoveries and research</p>

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<p>Your question was merged into the existing FAQ thread on this subject. </p>

<p>To correct one wrong impression that may be received by readers of earlier replies to your question, Filipino people are “Asian,” NOT “Pacific Islanders,” by the federal definitions now in use. </p>

<p>As the Census Bureau itself notes, </p>

<p>“These categories are sociopolitical constructs and should not be interpreted as being scientific or anthropological in nature.” </p>

<p>[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm) </p>

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<p>I don’t know how well your writing on this discussion forum matches your writing on your college applications, but I would be wary of spelling “berth” as “birth” or making other mistakes like that on a college application. Over the years here on CC, most of the applicants I have seen get into the most competitive colleges spell well and write clearly all the time, as a matter of habit. Everyone makes mistakes, but the goal to aim for is to drive down your error rate on issues where there is a plain correct answer. </p>

<p>Good luck in your applications. We may have some common acquaintances, as it appears you are posting from my state.</p>

<p>Tokenadult,</p>

<p>Wow, thanks for the wealth of information. It definately helps to make things more clear.</p>

<p>Also, I had no idea that “birth” was supposed to be “berth”…I haven’t had my resume proof read yet, but that is helpful as I used the same word in one of my essays…Luckily they are not sent yet. Trust me though, I am a much better writer than my discussions on here show. I feel very strongly about my essays.</p>

<p>Would you be interested in reading my commonapp essay? I have it pretty much finalized, but i’m curiouse on your perspective. </p>

<p>I trust you based on your posting history. Also, it’s not exactly an essay wich can copied, as it pertains to really only a select few people…</p>

<p>Maruhan2,</p>

<p>Stanford…Interesting…</p>

<p>I will definately be skimming their website tonight.</p>

<p>^^ Are you asking me for an essay read? Sorry, I don’t have time for that, but you may want to ask for help from the College Essays Forum </p>

<p>[College</a> Essays - College Confidential](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-essays/]College”>College Essays - College Confidential Forums) </p>

<p>here on CC.</p>

<p>Ok. Haha. That’s fine. You have given plenty of help already.</p>

<p>So on my early decision app (used the common app), it said to mark all ethnicities that apply, so I did. However, according to my school system which I entered in kindergarten, I’m only marked as one ethnicity.</p>

<p>Since there was this discrepancy of races, the university which I applied ED to called my school to ask. So of course my mom called back to clear things up and they were nice about it, saying they call all the time just to ask. </p>

<p>My question here is, should I mark all ethnicities that apply to me for my other schools, or just the one that my school system has me down for? I don’t like getting these calls from schools about how there’s a discrepancy, but I want to be fully represented. Maybe should I note somewhere on the application about this discrepancy? </p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>Put a note in the Additional Information section or have your GC mention it on the Sec. School report.</p>

<p>Well, my counselor already sent out the envelope with my transcript, counselor rec, sec school report etc. But I can still put it in the additional information box.</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

<p>P.S. Is there still a way my counselor can tell them?</p>

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<p>Is your school system in a place subject to a federal desegregation order, or that was? There are states that don’t put that information on individual student school records at all, so I’m wondering in what places that is done. </p>

<p>(Thread merged into main FAQ thread.)</p>

<p>Oh I have no idea at all. I just know that every student in my county school system has some sort of ethnicity attached to them. </p>

<p>Do you have any other suggestions on what I can do to clear this discrepancy up so colleges don’t have to call?</p>

<p>Thank you by the way for moving this.</p>

<p>I’m half Indian/half white.</p>

<p>Will I count as Asian or white or what?
(Neither of those are underrepresented)</p>

<p>Is this a hook of sorts?</p>

<p>Maybe if you were talking about being Native American…</p>

<p>(the answer is no)</p>

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<p>It may not come up as a question at every college you apply to. This year is the first college application year during which there is a uniform federal regulation requiring all colleges to allow the “choose one or more” possibility in designating races, so every college may see some applicants who on earlier records (whatever those would be) had only one race designated, but who this year will designate more than one race. There are quite a few “multiracial” young people in the United States. </p>

<p>You mention your “county school system,” and that suggests to me that you come from a state in the southern United States, where school districts are often whole counties. (That is not the usual pattern in many northern states.) I think in former days there was much more of a tendency to record student “race” in school records in some parts of the country than in others. To the best of my knowledge, that has never been a part of any student’s school records in my state, ever. So again it may be that some colleges, used to getting applications from all over the country, won’t even ask about this. What you designate today under today’s rules, as long as it is true, should be today’s word about what “race” group(s) you belong to. </p>

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<p>What each college does with the ethnicity information it receives from applicants is up to that college. At some colleges, there will be an effort to gain more students from backgrounds that have historically been unusual at that college. In principle, that might include almost any kind of background, including a kind of background that is very commonplace at many other colleges. My personal impression is that young people who have one parent from India and one western (“white”) parent are not particularly unusual at most highly selective colleges, but I could be mistaken in this impression, and maybe that will be a positive factor, or maybe it will make no difference at all. </p>

<p>Good luck to both of you in your applications.</p>

<p>Well I, after an exhaustive statistical analysis of the decisions posted on CC, have come to the conclusion that I attend my institution solely based on affirmative action. I wanted to start this thread perhaps to give a different perspective from the view point of the beneficiaries of affirmative action. </p>

<p>I go to Yale, as many of you can tell, and I have always been against affirmative action. Always was from the first time I even heard of the concept, but despite this I put my race on my application anyway. This may seem hypocritical but my families situation is simple. I have three other brothers and three of us are going to be in college at the same time next year so even in high school I could do math and could tell there was no way in the world that my parents could afford to send me even to our state university (UT). So from the very start of middle school I had already planned that I was going to take care of the financial situation of college myself, so that my other brothers would have the greatest opportunity to attend the colleges that they wanted. </p>

<p>I did well in high school, and knew I needed money so I put my race down on my college applications and even exploited it by writing about being the only black person at science fairs and how I wanted to help other blacks get involved in science. So senior year I applied to the University of Texas, Harvard, Princeton, and Yale. </p>

<p>My the second month of my senior year I had been accepted to the University of Texas with 68K in scholarships-except that 40K came from a scholarship program specifically for blacks, something that went against my moral conscious but was a necessity because of my families finances. Later I got accepted to Yale with financial aid covering all but books and about one thousand dollars in tuition. I should be very happy and from a fiscal standpoint I know that what I did was the most sound, but at the same time I know that the only reason I go to this school is because of affirmative action and every time I look at something that says Yale on it, I feel like a fraud. </p>

<p>The worst part of all of this is that I had the stats to get into lower Ivy league schools such as Penn or Dartmouth, but I do not have the option of rejoicing over my hard work in high school because I know that my class rank was no where near that of my peers here at Yale. </p>

<p>In summation I think I agree we Clarence Thomas that affirmative action at its core robs not only the applicant who got rejected because of me, but also robs me of knowing that I have accomplished something. And for those who value work more than anything else, such as me, it is one of the hardest things to bear. Yet I know that what I did was right, even though I did not want to list my race, because my family could not have afforded to pay even 5K a year on me when they have other children to consider.</p>

<p>Well, do your best at Yale, so it will be as if you got there solely on your own stats. :)</p>

<p>Don’t sweat it. Congrats that you’re there! Enjoy. You’ll be a Yalie for life!</p>

<p>You have nothing to apologize for. Yale wanted YOU.</p>

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Admissions isn’t meritocratic. Ask the kids with 2400s and 4.0s who got rejected.</p>

<p>What about those developmental admits that got in because they were richer than everyone else? Do you feel robbed by them? What about the legacies, and athletes? You need to get over it, move on, and enjoy your time at Yale.</p>

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It robs you because you choose to let it rob you.
“No one can make you feel inferior without your consent.” - Elanor Roosevelt</p>

<p>you did nothing wrong!</p>

<p>Dude,</p>

<p>Chill out. Concentrate on the positives and moving forward. Hopefully, you’ll have plenty of time for meaning reflection at some point … but goodness knows when that day will arrive.</p>