"Race" in College Admissions FAQ & Discussion 5

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 12:51pm

MODERATOR'S NOTE:

This thread has been superseded by the current thread

<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/1366406-race-college-admission-faq-discussion-10-a.html</a>

on the subject, and thus is closed.

Ethnic Self-Identification Is Optional

Students are often puzzled about how to respond to questions on college applications about race or ethnicity. The questions are required by a federal regulation, and a new version of that regulation just came into effect for the 2009-2010 application season. The regulation

U.S</a>. Department of Education; Office of the Secretary; Final Guidance on Maintaining, Collecting, and Reporting Racial and Ethnic Data to the U.S. Department of Education [OS]

makes clear that self-identifying ethnicity is OPTIONAL for students in higher education. That self-identifying by ethnicity is optional has long been clear on the Common Application,

<a href="https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/Docs/downloadforms/CombinedFirstYearForms2010.pdf%5B/url%5D">https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/Docs/downloadforms/CombinedFirstYearForms2010.pdf</a>

which more than 300 colleges (for example Harvard, Carleton, and the University of Virginia) use as their main or sole application form. The latest version of the Common Application includes a section titled Demographics with a subsection printed on a gray background with the heading "Optional The items with a gray background are optional. No information you provide will be used in a discriminatory manner."

The Common Application optional section includes the federally specified questions about ethnicity:

Common Application 2009-2010:

Are you Hispanic/Latino? O Yes, Hispanic or Latino (including Spain) O No Please describe your background ________________________________________________

Regardless of your answer to the prior question, please select one or more of the following ethnicities that best describe you: O American Indian or Alaska Native (including all Original Peoples of the Americas) Are you Enrolled? O Yes O No If yes, please enter Tribal Enrollment Number ________________ Please describe your background ________________________________________________ O Asian (including Indian subcontinent and Philippines) Please describe your background ________________________________________________ O Black or African American (including Africa and Caribbean) Please describe your background ________________________________________________ O Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander (Original Peoples) Please describe your background ________________________________________________ O White (including Middle Eastern) Please describe your background ________________________________________________

Self-identifying ethnicity has also always clearly been optional on the Universal College Application,

<a href="https://www.universalcollegeapp.com/Library/PrintPreview/Universal_College_Application.pdf%5B/url%5D">https://www.universalcollegeapp.com/Library/PrintPreview/Universal_College_Application.pdf</a>

which 77 colleges, including Harvard, accept.

Columbia University has its own application form,

<a href="http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/sites/admissions/files/webfm/firstyearapp.pdf%5B/url%5D">http://www.studentaffairs.columbia.edu/admissions/sites/admissions/files/webfm/firstyearapp.pdf</a>

including an optional section for ethnic self-identification:

Columbia asks additional optional questions to allow applicants to indicate affiliation with smaller groups that fit into the overall federally defined "race" categories, including asking for tribal affiliation and enrollment numbers for American Indian applicants.

MIT also has its own application form, which this year takes responses online but allows a .PDF download of how it looks as it is filled out. The online version of the form asks:

MIT online application:

Ethnicity (check all that apply): 

1) Are you Hispanic or Latino? Yes, Hispanic or Latino (Including Spain) No Which best describes your background? Central America Cuba Mexico Puerto Rico South America (Excluding Brazil) Spain Other 

2) Regardless of your answer to the previous question, please check one or more of the following groups in which you consider yourself to be a member: 

American Indian or Alaska Native (including all Original Peoples of the Americas) Which best describes your background? Alaska Native Chippewa Choctaw Cherokee Navajo Sioux Other 

<pre><code> Are you Registered? No Yes, please enter Registration number </code></pre>

Asian (including Indian subcontinent and Philippines) Which best describes your background? China India Japan Korea Pakistan Philippines Vietnam Other East Asian Other Indian Subcontinent Other Southeast Asian 

Black or African American (including Africa and Caribbean) Which best describes your background? African American African Caribbean Other 

Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander (Original Peoples) Which best describes your background? Guam Hawaii Samoa Other Pacific Islands (excluding Philippines) 

White (including Middle Eastern) Which best describes your background? Europe Middle East Other

but the .PDF view of the form does not show all the detailed subgroups, and adds "(optional)" after the section heading.

Other colleges use their own application forms, but all must ask an ethnicity question as specified by the new federal regulation. But that question is optional in any case by law, whether the college notes that the question is optional or not.

The colleges have to ask for ethnicity data, and have to report them to the federal government, but students don't have to self-identify with any ethnic or racial category. Colleges are NOT required to use self-identified race or ethnicity as an admission factor. Some colleges do and some do not. (Some state colleges and universities are prohibited by state law in their states from considering race as an admission factor.) The questions are asked for federal reporting requirements but may or may not be a significant admission factor at some college you like. At ALL United States colleges, with a sole exception*, it is permissible to decline to answer the questions during the admission process.

Don't worry about it. Self-identify or not as you wish. You are always free to self-identify with humankind as a whole by not self-identifying with any narrower subset of humankind. Recognize that students from a variety of ethnic groups--including whatever group or groups you would identify with, if any--are admitted to each of your favorite colleges each year. On the other hand, admission to some colleges (e.g., Yale or Amherst) is just plain competitive, so lots of outstanding students self-identified with each ethnic group you can imagine (or not self-identified with any group) are not admitted each year. Do your best on your application, apply to a safety, and relax.

<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/493318-don-t-forget-apply-safety-college.html%5B/url%5D">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/493318-don-t-forget-apply-safety-college.html</a>

*The sole exception to the general statement that self-identifying ethnicity is optional in the college admission process is a federally administered college for American Indians (Native Americans),

SIPI</a> - Admissions and Records

which is a unique example, even among tribal colleges,

Tribal</a> College List -- White House Initiative on Tribal Colleges and Universities

of a college that is truly for students of one ethnic group, a college operated by the federal Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). But even other BIA colleges appear to accept students from a variety of ethnicities, and that is definitely true of and reported by other tribal colleges.

College</a> Search - Leech Lake Tribal College - LLTC - At a Glance

College</a> Search - Little Priest Tribal College - LPTC - At a Glance

(scroll down for federal reported ethnicity of students)

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 12:59pm

College reporting to the federal government is based on the U.S. Census bureau definitions for ethnic categories, which in turn are based on regulations from the Office of Management and Budget, because colleges are required to report by federal regulations,

[Revisions</a> to the Standards for the Classification of Federal Data on Race and Ethnicity](<a href=“http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg/ombdir15.html]Revisions”>http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/fedreg/ombdir15.html)

and you can look the definitions up on the Web. As the Census Bureau itself notes,

[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm)

Census Bureau:

White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as “White” or report entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish.

Black or African American. A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as “Black, African Am., or Negro,” or provide written entries such as African American, Afro American, Kenyan, Nigerian, or Haitian.

American Indian and Alaska Native. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of North and South America (including Central America) and who maintain tribal affiliation or community attachment.

Asian. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam. It includes “Asian Indian,” “Chinese,” “Filipino,” “Korean,” “Japanese,” “Vietnamese,” and “Other Asian.”

Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, or other Pacific Islands. It includes people who indicate their race as “Native Hawaiian,” “Guamanian or Chamorro,” “Samoan,” and "Other Pacific Islander.

[Persons</a> of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68188.htm]Persons”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68188.htm)

Census Bureau:

Hispanics or Latinos are those people who classified themselves in one of the specific Spanish, Hispanic, or Latino categories listed on the Census 2000 questionnaire -“Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano,” “Puerto Rican”, or “Cuban” -as well as those who indicate that they are “other Spanish/Hispanic/Latino.” Persons who indicated that they are “other Spanish/Hispanic/Latino” include those whose origins are from Spain, the Spanish-speaking countries of Central or South America, the Dominican Republic or people identifying themselves generally as Spanish, Spanish-American, Hispanic, Hispano, Latino, and so on.

Origin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person’s parents or ancestors before their arrival in the United States. 

People who identify their origin as Spanish, Hispanic, or Latino may be of any race.

The federal Department of Education National Center for Education Statistics (NCES) has posted guidance to colleges about how they are to ask about student ethnicity and race according to the federally defined categories.

[Standard</a> 1-5 - NCES Statistical Standards](<a href=“http://nces.ed.gov/statprog/2002/std1_5.asp]Standard”>Standard 1-5 - NCES Statistical Standards)

You’ll see that footnote 2 at the bottom of the NCES webpage says,

So the preferred order for listing racial categories to gather data for federal reporting is to first ask about Hispanic ethnicity, as defined by federal law and self-identified by the student, and then to ask about “race,” again as defined by federal law and self-identified by the student, with the preferred order of listing race categories being

White

Black or African American

Asian

American Indian or Alaska Native

Native Hawaiian or Other Pacific Islander

in that order. But in actual practice most colleges do not list the categories in that preferred order on their application forms, but rather in alphabetical order.

The Department of Education has more recently updated its guidance to colleges on how to ask ethnicity and race questions

[U.S</a>. Department of Education; Office of the Secretary; Final Guidance on Maintaining, Collecting, and Reporting Racial and Ethnic Data to the U.S. Department of Education [OS]](<a href=“http://www.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/other/2007-4/101907c.html]U.S”>http://www.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/other/2007-4/101907c.html)

or

<a href=“http://www.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/other/2007-4/101907c.pdf[/url]”>http://www.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/other/2007-4/101907c.pdf</a>

and has requested colleges change their forms by the high school class of 2010 application year to ask a two-part question, first inquiring about Hispanic ethnicity and then about race, for each student. The student will still be free to decline to answer either part of the question.

Department of Education:

Unlike elementary and secondary institutions, generally, postsecondary institutions and Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) grantees use self-identification only and do not use observer identification. As discussed elsewhere in this notice, postsecondary institutions and RSA grantees will also be permitted to continue to include a ‘race and ethnicity unknown’ category when reporting data to the Department. This category is being continued in the Integrated Postsecondary Education Data System (IPEDS) because the National Center for Education Statistics experience has shown that (1) a substantial number of college students have refused to identify a race and (2) there is often not a convenient mechanism for college administrators to use observer identification.

See the National Center for Education Statistics Race/Ethnicity FAQ

<a href=“IPEDS Data Collection System”>IPEDS Data Collection System;

and the Association for Institutional Research Race/Ethnicity Information webpage

[Race/Ethnicity</a> Information](<a href=“http://www.airweb.org/page.asp?page=1500]Race/Ethnicity”>http://www.airweb.org/page.asp?page=1500)

and its subpages for more information about the current and planned practices of colleges as they prepare to implement the new federal regulations for high school class of 2010 applicants to college.

Students of higher education (and applicants to schools of postsecondary education) are treated as adults, and are explicitly permitted to decline to identify their ethnic or racial category.

Happynow · August 29, 2009, 1:04pm

Tokenadult, why don’t these applications include a “multiracial” or “biracial” box? For those of us who are multiracial, wouldn’t it be easier to check one box than a bunch of different boxes? Am I paranoid when I conclude that colleges really, really, really want to know exactly what ethnicity runs through my veins, so they intentionally opt not to include a “multiracial” or “biracial” box? It seems to me that if such information is optional, and colleges really don’t care that much, a a “multiracial” or “biracial” box would be appropriate. The fact that these boxes aren’t included leads me to believe that do care – alot. Do you disagree?

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 1:04pm

It would be dishonest, and possibly grounds for revoking an offer of admission, to self-report according to a category that doesn’t fit you at all. On the other hand, all of the categories named in federal law are based on self-identification and colleges have no means to double-check every student’s self-identifying.

I find it interesting, and full of good hope for this country’s future, that more and more college applicants are declining to self-report their ethnicity to colleges,

<a href=“http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/02/15/race2_15[/url]”>http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2005/02/15/race2_15</a>

which is everyone’s right under law and something that someone of any ethnic self-identification might choose to do. People can decide this issue for themselves, but I like to emphasize in my own life, as a member of a “biracial” family, the common humanity my children, my wife, and I share with all our neighbors and compatriots.

The latest version of the Minorities in Higher Education Report

<a href=“American Council on Education”>American Council on Education;

has a lot of detailed numbers (all based on reports colleges make to the federal government) about the growth in college enrollment in all the reported ethnic groups, and the growth of the group “race unknown.”

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 1:07pm

By decision of the Department of Education, the regulators of this matter, after notice and comment in the federal regulatory process. See the link to the federal regulations in the FAQ posts here (both the thread-opening post and post #2 have the link). It is possible for an applicant to “select one or more” race category among the federally defined categories, and it is equally possible for an applicant to mark no category at all. Each applicant may decide how to respond to such a situation.

monstor344 · August 29, 2009, 1:36pm

I’d like to bring up another issue that was brought up in previous threads: Why does the Common App forgo the inclusion of an “other” category? There are other racial groups in the world that are not covered by the racial categories offered on the Common App; one that comes to mind is Indigenous Australian (often known as Aborigines). Would an applicant of this descent be forced to leave the race section unmarked, and thus be subjected to the still ambiguous potential disadvantages of that situation?

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 1:53pm

For the same reason that was mentioned in the last thread, and in the last reply that I posted to another question here: that’s what the federal regulations

[U.S</a>. Department of Education; Office of the Secretary; Final Guidance on Maintaining, Collecting, and Reporting Racial and Ethnic Data to the U.S. Department of Education [OS]](<a href=“http://www.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/other/2007-4/101907c.html]U.S”>http://www.ed.gov/legislation/FedRegister/other/2007-4/101907c.html)

say. As the Census Bureau notes,

[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm)

all the categories are arbitrary, and the absence of a category called “other” is simply a decision of the regulatory authority (in this case, the federal Department of Education) after notice was given providing opportunity to comment on the regulation.

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 1:55pm

Here are some selective colleges with high percentages of students reported as “race unknown.” These figures are based on Item B2, enrollment by racial/ethnic category, reported in the Common Data Set reports for each college (which in turn is based on IPEDS reporting to the federal government).

FALL 2008 ENTERING CLASS

32 percent 1st-year, 26 percent undergrad at Bryn Mawr

<a href=“http://www.brynmawr.edu/institutionalresearch/documents/CDS2008_2009.pdf[/url]”>http://www.brynmawr.edu/institutionalresearch/documents/CDS2008_2009.pdf</a>

29 percent 1st-year, 24 percent undergrad at Scripps College

[Scripps</a> College : Common Data Set](<a href=“http://www.scrippscollege.edu/about/common-data-set.php]Scripps”>http://www.scrippscollege.edu/about/common-data-set.php)

24 percent 1st-year at Colby College

[College</a> Search - Colby College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

23 percent 1st-year, 16 percent undergrad at William and Mary

22 percent 1st-year, 14 percent undergrad at Yale

22 percent 1st-year, 18 percent undergrad at Reed College

[Reed</a> College 2008-09 Common Data Set SecB](<a href=“http://www.reed.edu/ir/cds/cds0809/cdssecb200809.html]Reed”>Reed College 2008-09 Common Data Set SecB - Institutional Research - Reed College)

22 percent 1st-year, 21 percent undergrad at Amherst College

<a href=“https://www.amherst.edu/media/view/98052/original/2008%20Enrollment%20and%20Persistence.pdf[/url]”>https://www.amherst.edu/media/view/98052/original/2008%20Enrollment%20and%20Persistence.pdf</a>

20 percent 1st-year, 15 percent undergrad at Vanderbilt

[CDS</a> B](<a href=“http://virg.vanderbilt.edu/virgweb/CDSB.aspx?year=2008]CDS”>http://virg.vanderbilt.edu/virgweb/CDSB.aspx?year=2008)

20 percent 1st-year at University of Rochester

[College</a> Search - University of Rochester - U of R - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

18 percent 1st-year at Penn

[College</a> Search - University of Pennsylvania - Penn - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

18 percent 1st-year, 15 percent undergrad at Case Western Reserve

<a href=“Institutional Research | Case Western Reserve University”>Institutional Research | Case Western Reserve University;

17 percent 1st-year, 14 percent undergrad at Brown

<a href=“Office of Institutional Research | Brown University”>Office of Institutional Research | Brown University;

16 percent 1st-year at Carnegie Mellon

[College</a> Search - Carnegie Mellon University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

16 percent 1st-year, 15 percent undergrad at Cornell

<a href=“http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000420.pdf#pagemode=bookmarks[/url]”>http://dpb.cornell.edu/documents/1000420.pdf#pagemode=bookmarks</a>

16 percent 1st-year at Tufts University

[College</a> Search - Tufts University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=1245)

16 percent 1st-year, 11 percent undergrad at University of Richmond

<a href=“Institutional Effectiveness - University of Richmond”>Institutional Effectiveness - University of Richmond;

15 percent 1st-year, 14 percent undergrad at Harvard

<a href=“http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/Provost_-_CDS2008_2009_Harvard_for_Web_Clean.pdf[/url]”>http://www.provost.harvard.edu/institutional_research/Provost_-_CDS2008_2009_Harvard_for_Web_Clean.pdf</a>

15 percent 1st-year at Chicago

[College</a> Search - University of Chicago - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

14 percent 1st-year at Pomona

[College</a> Search - Pomona College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

14 percent 1st-year, 8 percent undergrad at Wesleyan University

<a href=“http://www.wesleyan.edu/ir/cds/cds2008-09.pdf[/url]”>http://www.wesleyan.edu/ir/cds/cds2008-09.pdf</a>

13 percent 1st-year, 7 percent undergrad at Stanford

[Stanford</a> University: Common Data Set 2008-2009](<a href=“http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/index.html#enrollment]Stanford”>http://ucomm.stanford.edu/cds/index.html#enrollment)

13 percent 1st-year at Cooper Union

[College</a> Search - Cooper Union for the Advancement of Science and Art - Cooper - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 2:00pm

Here are some other selective colleges with moderately high percentages of students reported as “race unknown.” These figures are based on Item B2, enrollment by racial/ethnic category, reported in the Common Data Set reports for each college (which in turn is based on IPEDS reporting to the federal government).

FALL 2008 ENTERING CLASS

12 percent 1st-year at University of Miami

[College</a> Search - University of Miami - UM - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

11 percent 1st-year at Washington U in St. Louis

[College</a> Search - Washington University in St. Louis - Washington U. - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

11 percent 1st-year at NYU

[College</a> Search - New York University - NYU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

11 percent 1st-year at Lehigh

[College</a> Search - Lehigh University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

11 percent 1st-year at Whitman

[College</a> Search - Whitman College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

11 percent 1st-year, 8 percent undergrad at Hamilton College

<a href=“https://my.hamilton.edu/college/institutional_research/CDS2008_2009.pdf[/url]”>https://my.hamilton.edu/college/institutional_research/CDS2008_2009.pdf</a>

10 percent 1st-year, 11 percent undergrad at Swarthmore College

<a href=“http://www.swarthmore.edu/Documents/administration/ir/cds2008.pdf[/url]”>http://www.swarthmore.edu/Documents/administration/ir/cds2008.pdf</a>

10 percent undergrad at Johns Hopkins University

[U-CAN:</a> Johns Hopkins University](<a href=“ucan-network.org”>ucan-network.org)

9 percent 1st-year, 8 percent undergrad at Columbia

[College</a> Search - Columbia University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

<a href=“http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/2008-enrollment_ethnicity.htm[/url]”>http://www.columbia.edu/cu/opir/abstract/2008-enrollment_ethnicity.htm</a>

9 percent 1st-year, 7 percent undergrad at Virginia

[UVa</a> CDS: B. Enrollment](<a href=“http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/cds/current/enrollment.htm]UVa”>http://www.web.virginia.edu/IAAS/data_catalog/institutional/cds/current/enrollment.htm)

9 percent 1st-year at Tulane University

[College</a> Search - Tulane University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

9 percent 1st-year at Davidson College

[College</a> Search - Davidson College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=982)

8 percent 1st-year, 7 percent undergrad at Princeton

<a href=“http://registrar.princeton.edu/university_enrollment_sta/common_cds2008.pdf[/url]”>http://registrar.princeton.edu/university_enrollment_sta/common_cds2008.pdf</a>

8 percent 1st-year at United States Naval Academy

[College</a> Search - United States Naval Academy - Navy - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

7 percent 1st-year at Rice University

[College</a> Search - Rice University - Rice - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

7 percent 1st-year at Boston College

[College</a> Search - Boston College - BC - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

7 percent 1st-year at Berkeley

[College</a> Search - University of California: Berkeley - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

7 percent 1st-year at Northwestern University

[College</a> Search - Northwestern University - NU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

7 percent 1st-year, 16 percent undergrad at Claremont McKenna College

[College</a> Search - Claremont McKenna College - CMC - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

[U-CAN:</a> Claremont McKenna College](<a href=“ucan-network.org”>ucan-network.org)

7 percent 1st-year, 7 percent undergrad at Emory University

<a href=“http://www.emory.edu/PROVOST/IPR/documents/factbookprofile/CDS_2008_2009.pdf[/url]”>http://www.emory.edu/PROVOST/IPR/documents/factbookprofile/CDS_2008_2009.pdf</a>

6 percent 1st-year at MIT

[College</a> Search - Massachusetts Institute of Technology - MIT - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

6 percent 1st-year, 5 percent undergrad at Middlebury

<a href=“http://www.middlebury.edu/NR/rdonlyres/1DE1CC19-8DF2-4557-90DE-01B37B456F6E/0/CDS2008_2009.pdf[/url]”>http://www.middlebury.edu/NR/rdonlyres/1DE1CC19-8DF2-4557-90DE-01B37B456F6E/0/CDS2008_2009.pdf</a>

5 percent 1st-year, 5 percent undergrad at Dartmouth

<a href=“This Page Has Moved”>This Page Has Moved;

5 percent 1st-year, 5 percent undergrad at Duke

[College</a> Search - Duke University - Duke - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

[U-CAN:</a> Duke University](<a href=“ucan-network.org”>ucan-network.org)

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 2:06pm

Here are some other colleges that admit quite a few students reported to the Common Data Set Initiative as “race/ethnicity unknown”:

FALL 2008 ENTERING CLASS

99 percent 1st-year at Hillsdale College

[College</a> Search - Hillsdale College - At a Glance](<a href=“http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=1552]College”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

95 percent 1st-year at Howard University

[College</a> Search - Howard University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

86 percent 1st-year at Keystone College

[College</a> Search - Keystone College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

82 percent 1st-year at McGill University

[College</a> Search - McGill University - McGill - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

80 percent 1st-year at Savannah College of Art and Design

[College</a> Search - Savannah College of Art and Design - SCAD - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

54 percent 1st-year at Wilmington University

[College</a> Search - Wilmington University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

30 percent at Smith College

[College</a> Search - Smith College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

29 percent 1st-year at Champlain College

[College</a> Search - Champlain College - CC - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

28 percent 1st-year at Rhode Island School of Design

[College</a> Search - Rhode Island School of Design - RISD - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

26 percent 1st-year at George Mason

[College</a> Search - George Mason University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

23 percent 1st-year at Boston University

[College</a> Search - Boston University - BU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

23 percent 1st-year at Hartwick College

[College</a> Search - Hartwick College - The Wick - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

22 percent 1st-year at SUNY Stony Brook

[College</a> Search - State University of New York at Stony Brook - Stony Brook University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

21 percent 1st-year at Lynn University

[College</a> Search - Lynn University - LU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

20 percent 1st-year at SUNY Binghamton

[College</a> Search - State University of New York at Binghamton - Binghamton University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

19 percent 1st-year at Adelphi

[College</a> Search - Adelphi University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

19 percent 1st-year at Fashion Institute of Technology

[College</a> Search - Fashion Institute of Technology - FIT - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

18 percent 1st-year at Eugene Lang College

[College</a> Search - Eugene Lang College The New School for Liberal Arts - Lang - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

17 percent 1st-year, 16 percent undergrad at American University

<a href=“http://www.american.edu/academic.depts/provost/oir/CommonDataSet_2008.pdf[/url]”>http://www.american.edu/academic.depts/provost/oir/CommonDataSet_2008.pdf</a>

17 percent 1st-year at Syracuse University

[College</a> Search - Syracuse University - SU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

16 percent 1st-year at Marist College

[College</a> Search - Marist College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

16 percent at Fisk University

[College</a> Search - Fisk University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

14 percent 1st-year at McDaniel College

[College</a> Search - McDaniel College - The Hill - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

14 percent 1st-year at University of Scranton

[College</a> Search - University of Scranton - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

14 percent 1st-year at Franklin College

[College</a> Search - Franklin College - FC - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=1880)

14 percent at Embry/Riddle Worldwide Campus

[College</a> Search - Marist College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

13 percent 1st-year at Tuskegee University

[College</a> Search - Tuskegee University - TU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

11 percent 1st-year at Gettysburg College

[College</a> Search - Gettysburg College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

9 percent 1st-year, 13 percent undergrad at Agnes Scott

<a href=“http://www.agnesscott.edu/Media/Website%20Resources/pdf/ir/cdsb.pdf[/url]”>http://www.agnesscott.edu/Media/Website%20Resources/pdf/ir/cdsb.pdf</a>

9 percent 1st-year at Grinnell College

[College</a> Search - Grinnell College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

9 percent 1st-year at Albion College

[College</a> Search - Albion College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 2:06pm

Here are some other colleges that admit quite a few students reported to the Common Data Set Initiative as “race/ethnicity unknown”:

FALL 2008 ENTERING CLASS

99 percent 1st-year at Hillsdale College

[College</a> Search - Hillsdale College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

95 percent 1st-year at Howard University

[College</a> Search - Howard University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

86 percent 1st-year at Keystone College

[College</a> Search - Keystone College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

82 percent 1st-year at McGill University

[College</a> Search - McGill University - McGill - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

80 percent 1st-year at Savannah College of Art and Design

[College</a> Search - Savannah College of Art and Design - SCAD - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

54 percent 1st-year at Wilmington University

[College</a> Search - Wilmington University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

30 percent at Smith College

[College</a> Search - Smith College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

29 percent 1st-year at Champlain College

[College</a> Search - Champlain College - CC - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

28 percent 1st-year at Rhode Island School of Design

[College</a> Search - Rhode Island School of Design - RISD - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>http://collegesearch.collegeboard.com/search/CollegeDetail.jsp?collegeId=3119)

26 percent 1st-year at George Mason

[College</a> Search - George Mason University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

23 percent 1st-year at Boston University

[College</a> Search - Boston University - BU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

23 percent 1st-year at Hartwick College

[College</a> Search - Hartwick College - The Wick - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

22 percent 1st-year at SUNY Stony Brook

[College</a> Search - State University of New York at Stony Brook - Stony Brook University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

21 percent 1st-year at Lynn University

[College</a> Search - Lynn University - LU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

20 percent 1st-year at SUNY Binghamton

[College</a> Search - State University of New York at Binghamton - Binghamton University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

19 percent 1st-year at Adelphi

[College</a> Search - Adelphi University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

19 percent 1st-year at Fashion Institute of Technology

[College</a> Search - Fashion Institute of Technology - FIT - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

18 percent 1st-year at Eugene Lang College

[College</a> Search - Eugene Lang College The New School for Liberal Arts - Lang - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

17 percent 1st-year, 16 percent undergrad at American University

<a href=“http://www.american.edu/academic.depts/provost/oir/CommonDataSet_2008.pdf[/url]”>http://www.american.edu/academic.depts/provost/oir/CommonDataSet_2008.pdf</a>

17 percent 1st-year at Syracuse University

[College</a> Search - Syracuse University - SU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

16 percent 1st-year at Marist College

[College</a> Search - Marist College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

16 percent at Fisk University

[College</a> Search - Fisk University - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

14 percent 1st-year at McDaniel College

[College</a> Search - McDaniel College - The Hill - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

14 percent 1st-year at University of Scranton

[College</a> Search - University of Scranton - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

14 percent 1st-year at Franklin College

[College</a> Search - Franklin College - FC - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

14 percent at Embry/Riddle Worldwide Campus

[College</a> Search - Marist College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

13 percent 1st-year at Tuskegee University

[College</a> Search - Tuskegee University - TU - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

11 percent 1st-year at Gettysburg College

[College</a> Search - Gettysburg College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

9 percent 1st-year, 13 percent undergrad at Agnes Scott

<a href=“http://www.agnesscott.edu/Media/Website%20Resources/pdf/ir/cdsb.pdf[/url]”>http://www.agnesscott.edu/Media/Website%20Resources/pdf/ir/cdsb.pdf</a>

9 percent 1st-year at Grinnell College

[College</a> Search - Grinnell College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

9 percent 1st-year at Albion College

[College</a> Search - Albion College - At a Glance](<a href=“College Search - BigFuture | College Board”>College Search - BigFuture | College Board)

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 2:13pm

A lot of applicants wonder if colleges will guess their ethnicity from their family name, or from their parents’ birthplaces, or from something else that appears on the application form. (Such a guess would be a wild guess, and likely to be wrong, in my own children’s case.) But it should be clear that when Harvard has been reporting to the federal government for years that about one out of every seven enrolled students at Harvard is “race unknown” that Harvard isn’t bothering to do this. Colleges don’t bother to guess what they don’t know. They aren’t required to, and they aren’t expected to, and they don’t make any particular inference about students who exercise their right not to self-report ethnicity.

From the Association for Institutional Research FAQ:

[FAQ</a> Race/Ethnicity Topics](<a href=“http://www.airweb.org/page.asp?page=1502]FAQ”>http://www.airweb.org/page.asp?page=1502)

monstor344 · August 29, 2009, 2:27pm

So would the response to my other question:

Simply be yes?

But I think colleges can approximate percentage distributions and can do with that what they wish, no? Even if technically they might not hold restrictions, isn’t possible that there might be a psychological effect when an adcom sees that the applicant has opted to not list his/her race? And doesn’t it seem kind of suspicious that an Asian applicant can avoid some serious admissions disadvantages simply by not listing his/her race? It doesn’t seem that easy to me, and I could be entirely wrong but those 1 in 7 racially unidentified might be those who Harvard would have admitted regardless of the ethnicity they put down (hooked applicants or applicants at the very top of the pool).

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 2:29pm

FAQ section on “Race”:

The answer to this question is always the same, by the United States federal definitions.

[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm)

"White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as ‘White’ or report entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish.

“Black or African American. A person having origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as ‘Black, African Am., or Negro,’ or provide written entries such as African American, Afro American, Kenyan, Nigerian, or Haitian.”

Here’s a simple rule of thumb: if no one in South Africa would have called you “black” or “coloured,” especially during the days of apartheid,

[Apartheid</a> – Africana](<a href=“http://www.africanaencyclopedia.com/apartheid/apartheid.html]Apartheid”>Apartheid in South Africa: What Really Happened and How Did It End?)

you have no basis in America for calling yourself “African American,” the official synonym of which is “black.” A person who checks “Black or African American” is asserting that he or she has “origins in any of the Black racial groups of Africa.” Not all people who live on the continent of Africa have origins in a black racial group, and that is the official definition–you are only “African American” if you are black. If you call yourself white, and your friends do too, it doesn’t matter where your parents were born, or what countries they lived in. You also have the choice of not indicating any ethnicity or race at all. What a college does with what it sees on your form varies from college to college.

Good luck in your applications, and good luck to everyone else applying in the coming application season.

By the federal definitions,

[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm)

Somali students who grew up in the United States are definitely black, and the terms “black” and “African American” are synonyms in the federal definitions of “race” categories. The same applies to young people whose parents came from other tropical African countries where black people live. (North African people are categorized as white by the federal definitions.) You also have the choice of not indicating any ethnicity or race at all. What a college does with what it sees on your form varies from college to college.

Good luck in your applications, and good luck to everyone else applying in the coming application season.

By the federal definitions,

[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm)

you are Asian.

“Asian. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of the Far East, Southeast Asia, or the Indian subcontinent including, for example, Cambodia, China, India, Japan, Korea, Malaysia, Pakistan, the Philippine Islands, Thailand, and Vietnam. It includes ‘Asian Indian,’ ‘Chinese,’ ‘Filipino,’ ‘Korean,’ ‘Japanese,’ ‘Vietnamese,’ and ‘Other Asian.’”

You also have the choice of not indicating any ethnicity or race at all. What a college does with what it sees on your form varies from college to college.

Good luck in your applications, and good luck to everyone else applying in the coming application season.

The answer to this frequently asked question makes up the first few posts in this FAQ thread.

You have and everyone has the legal right to leave the form blank ([</a>).

The recent national trend has been for an increasing number of college applicants to decline to self-identify any ethnic group ([url=<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063172342-post4.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063172342-post4.html](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063172286-post1.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063172286-post1.html[/url)</a>).

Many colleges admit many students each year for whom they do not know of any ethnic affiliation ([</a>).

You don’t need to worry about this. If you choose not to self-report any race or ethnicity, for whatever reason you have, the college won’t hold that against you, because for all the college knows you are just a student who is very aware of your legal rights and chooses to exercise those rights. See

[url=<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063172622-post12.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063172622-post12.html](<a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063172559-post8.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063172559-post8.html[/url)</a>

for evidence that colleges don’t care about a blank response, because they can’t infer anything from it, and aren’t required to do anything about it.

The Census Bureau has done a study of the most common family names in the United States and what “race” or ethnicity is reported by people with those last names. A lot of family names are characteristic of (that is, highly correlated with) one federally defined “race” group or another, or of Hispanic ethnicity, but there are always exceptions. Wang is a family name in Norway as well as in China. “Leroy Johnson” could be a black man or a white man. And so on. People marry people of other “races,” and adopt children from other “races,” and thus family names are not an unerring guide to anyone’s “race,” especially if you look closely at the federal definitions.

What you decide about how to fill out your application form is up to you. But notice that many, [many</a> colleges report lots of applicants as "race/ethnicity unknown](<a href="http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063172559-post8.html]many">http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/1063172559-post8.html)," so not every admission committee guesses about every applicant.

The definition of Hispanic ethnicity used by the federal government

[Persons</a> of Hispanic or Latino origin, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68188.htm]Persons”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68188.htm)

"Hispanics or Latinos are those people who classified themselves in one of the specific Spanish, Hispanic, or Latino categories listed on the Census 2000 questionnaire -‘Mexican, Mexican Am., Chicano,’ ‘Puerto Rican’, or ‘Cuban’ -as well as those who indicate that they are ‘other Spanish/Hispanic/Latino.’ Persons who indicated that they are ‘other Spanish/Hispanic/Latino’ include those whose origins are from Spain, the Spanish-speaking countries of Central or South America, the Dominican Republic or people identifying themselves generally as Spanish, Spanish-American, Hispanic, Hispano, Latino, and so on.

"Origin can be viewed as the heritage, nationality group, lineage, or country of birth of the person or the person’s parents or ancestors before their arrival in the United States.

“People who identify their origin as Spanish, Hispanic, or Latino may be of any race.”

makes clear that a great variety of people of varying ancestry or “heritage” or “country of birth” can categorize themselves as Hispanic. You have the choice to indicate Hispanic ethnicity, by that definition, and to indicate white “race” after indicating Hispanic ethnicity. (The forms used in this application season first ask a Hispanic ethnicity yes-no question, and then suggest “select one or more” for the “race” question.) You also have the choice of not indicating any ethnicity or race at all. What a college does with what it sees on your form varies from college to college.

It’s always a good idea to let a college know about any diversity factor you might bring to a new enrolled class at the college. It’s unclear how weighty different kinds of ethnic heritages are in college admission decisions at which colleges.

Good luck in your applications, and good luck to everyone else applying in the coming application season.

For this year’s (2009-2010) admission season, all college application forms are required by federal regulation to have an optional ethnicity question that is in two parts, first asking about Hispanic ethnicity (yes or no) and then asking about the federal defined “race” categories, with the instruction “select one or more” or some language very similar to that meaning that you can choose one or more category. (You can choose no category at all by not answering the question.) You also have the choice of not indicating any ethnicity or race at all. What a college does with what it sees on your form varies from college to college.

Good luck in your applications, and good luck to everyone else applying in the coming application season.

You are white by the federal definitions,

[Black</a> or African American persons, percent, 2000](<a href=“http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm]Black”>http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/meta/long_68176.htm)

as are various people of Middle Eastern origin.

“White. A person having origins in any of the original peoples of Europe, the Middle East, or North Africa. It includes people who indicate their race as ‘White’ or report entries such as Irish, German, Italian, Lebanese, Near Easterner, Arab, or Polish.”

You also have the choice of not indicating any ethnicity or race at all. What a college does with what it sees on your form varies from college to college.

Good luck in your applications, and good luck to everyone else applying in the coming application season.

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 7:28pm

The Civil Rights Office of the federal Department of Education is the regulator of college practices in admission as regards “race.” In 2003, the office published an interesting study of various models of college admission policies,

[RACE-NEUTRAL</a> APPROACHES IN EDUCATION:](<a href=“http://www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/edlite-raceneutralreport.html]RACE-NEUTRAL”>RACE-NEUTRAL APPROACHES IN EDUCATION:)

including some “race neutral” policies. That office also investigates complaints of violation of equal protection under civil rights law. Here is the link for how to report violations of federal civil rights laws in education:

[How</a> to File a Discrimination Complaint with the Office for Civil Rights](<a href=“http://www.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/docs/howto.html]How”>File a Complaint: Discrimination Form | U.S. Department of Education)

A news report about one federal Department of Education Office of Civil Rights inquiry can be found in the Daily Princetonian newspaper:

[Department</a> of Education expands inquiry into Jian Li bias case - The Daily Princetonian](<a href=“http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2008/09/08/21307/]Department”>http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/2008/09/08/21307/)

epiphany · August 29, 2009, 8:30pm

^ Again, in one week this will be a 12-month-old story. Not hot news item. Not worthy of holding one’s breath.

For some of you, hope springs eternal. (Otherwise known as self-deception.) This is a dead cause going nowhere. The guy was not ‘’'racially discriminated against." But that’s o.k.; keep hanging onto it.

tokenadult · August 29, 2009, 9:22pm

I’m willing to wait to see the findings before jumping to any conclusion about the inquiry, however long that takes.

StitchInTime · August 29, 2009, 9:53pm

The Association for Institutional Research (AIR) has a website dedicated to the topic of ‘Race/Ethnicity’ which includes several presentations and papers from a college’s point of view on the new data collection/reporting:

[Association</a> for Institutional Research Race/Ethnicity Information](<a href=“Association for Institutional Research | AIR”>Association for Institutional Research | AIR)

An example of a paper available on the site is [Scholars</a> Urge Colleges to Retain Data on Race That New Federal Rules Would Blur](<a href=“http://www.airweb.org/mediacount.asp?id=125][i]Scholars”>http://www.airweb.org/mediacount.asp?id=125) which has this conclusion:

And this [interesting</a> fact](<a href=“http://www.airweb.org/page.asp?page=1540]interesting”>http://www.airweb.org/page.asp?page=1540):

epiphany · August 29, 2009, 10:08pm

I’m sure you are. Good luck with that. ;)

fabrizio · August 29, 2009, 10:13pm

Oh my, a staunch defender of the status quo livid at an individual’s attempt to question the legitimacy of racial preferences? How very unsurprising!

Regardless of the outcome, Jian Li deserves praise. He took quite a big risk attaching his name to that civil rights complaint. But, it’s possible that it has already paid off; Harvard rejected Li in 2006, but they accepted him as a transfer in 2007.

That reality doesn’t bode well for the defenders of the status quo no matter how you look at it. If Harvard accepted Li because they feared him, that only further shows the importance of having political power in our country. If Harvard accepted Li because they saw his leadership, it still doesn’t help the status quo defenders because this is the kind of leadership that will ultimately topple their regime of preferences. Heads he wins, tails you lose.

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