<p>I am really confused by how you keep on pulling out examples of other things that do not compare at all. These images and mascots have been proven scientificly to effect Indian students performance and self-esteem. You always are pulling other examples that I feel do not compare to the same level.</p>
<p>I still dont understand why everyone is freaking out that the college condoned actions that have effected students here at the college in a negitive way. It has effected their desire to be here along with their academic performance.</p>
<p>bulldogbull, The issue is exactly the same as JHU. A party was advertised as halloween in the hood and a few student came dressed up as sterotypical black(sagging pants, bling, ect). I remember recieving numerous blitzs advertising this formal as "cowboys, farm animals and indians". How is this at all different. This is one of the things that upsets me, it feels as though we are second class citizens.</p>
<p>I am not sure if you knew this but the Irish have actually been fighting the fighting irish mascot. I completely am behind the the removal of that mascot too as I have faced the first hand effects of a unwanted mascot.</p>
<p>Edit: What are the good points in the review that you are talking about? I know that that issue of the review had alot of information that was incorrect. Things such as them saying the NAC which released the ad in the D only had 2 students...they where actually NAD reps. Also how they have someone under our blitz list giving them information, as I am sure you know this is stuff that people just blitz out for opinions and in no way represents all of NAD.</p>
<p>Josh, you've been confused by the propoganda machine at Dartmouth</p>
<p>There was NO party called "farm animals". If you heard that there was, it was from the liberal propoganda machine at our college that makes up things to make their case better. It was just a crew party, where 8 kids were insensitive, and 80 were NOT. No one but these 8 kids knew about this indian/cowboy theme at all. </p>
<p>'I remember recieving numerous blitzs advertising this formal as "cowboys, farm animals and indians".'????!?!?</p>
<p>Are you on the crew team? If not, you wouldn't be receiving such advertisements because it was just a CREW party. </p>
<p>Please get your facts right. You're making the same mistakes as President James Wright. That's not good company to be in.</p>
<p>Yeah, and if you actually read the Review, there are some really good articles. The one about multicultural education destroying civic learning in colleges across the nation by my good friend Dave Leimbach is especially well-written. Stephan Farrow's article about the Hovey Murals is also excellent. And I think that Emily's account of the events that lead to the backlash againt the crew party is really good, and should be paid particular attention to in light of the mass of sensationalistic misinformation coming from the more liberal media sources.</p>
<p>Hah I am confused? I was sent blitzs by someone about that theme. They invited the campus to the party for a donation of 5 dollars. They got ahold of some mass blitz list and sent out that the party was that theme. The NADs have a blitz list and we were discussing the blitz that they sent... that is one of the reasons that NADS showed up in the first place.</p>
<p>Also I am not basing my post off of third party knowledge. I recieved blitzes from the crew team. I was there when our sacred drum circle was disrupted, i protested the review handing out indian shirts and I talked with the GDX advisor about the shirts they sold. Please do not tell me that there is any propaganda when i have experienced everything along with countless other Native American students.</p>
<p>edit: Also I just wanted to point out the NAD does not want the murals destroyed. They wanted them not to ever be displayed in a context that is offensive to Native American students. They want them to be displayed with some literature perhaps explaining the history of the college.</p>
<p>Josh, I will concede that the Indian mascot is offensive. Being offensive is enough of a reason to discontinue it. So, I suppose I am agreeing that it would be inappropriate to keep using the Indian mascot. That said, there is a distinct difference between inappropriateness and racism. Racism implies that people here view Native American students as lesser people. Racism implies that people who support the mascot do so because they <em>intend</em> to belittle Native Americans. Nobody here treats Native Americans any differently from anyone else. Perhaps the campus is generally lacking an understanding of the impact of the symbol, but that does not mean that they do so in order to declare the Native Americans inferior. The formal was definitely just for the crew team thgouh.</p>
<p>Before this whole controversy, I didn't even know there were Native Americans at Dartmouth. I thought the only Indian you had was that one professor, Samuel Occum. And the only reason I've heard of him is because he's so famous or whatever that they named the pond after him.</p>
<p>How did 75 people at the crew FORMAL not know about such a barnyard animals theme then? I've talked to many people on the team and a couple friends of mine are on the team and none of them knew about such a team. All my freshman friends, especially, wore formal wear because that was the type of setting the part was supposed to be set in.</p>
<p>My roomate also is on the crew team and he said he had no clue about the email and that he never got one. Apparently it was sent out by the girls crew team. I did recieve a blitz (no longer have it) and a few other NADs did. My guess is that somone grabed a blitz list that was sent out on accident and just used that without consulting with anyone else. I can check around to see if anyone else has the blitz but it basically said come to fuel theme is "cowboys, farm animals, and indigenous people".</p>
<p>And I think that you are refering to Samson Occom who died in 1792 Chipsesh. He was one of the main reasons that Dartmouth was even founded. He raised 12 thousand pounds for the founding of a school that would be for the education of Native American children. Occom soon discovered that Wheelock had no plans to educate Native Americans and had used him. This is further seen when you look at the history of Dartmouth... less then 20 Native Americans graduated in its first 200 years.</p>
<p>Josh, right now you have no credibility on this blitz issue..."I remember recieving numerous blitzs advertising this formal as "cowboys, farm animals and indians"." Numerous blitzes for a formal you would not be able to attend advertising a theme that never existed...</p>
<p>Josh, as a rower I can assure you that there was no blitz sent out to the team. I can send you every single correspondence from the team if you would like.
Of the party, 3 senior girls dressed up. Two only wore feathers. Your facts are wrong, and the rumors being spread are giving the crew team a bad image</p>
<p>I'm a sophomore at Dartmouth, and I am a person of color. I must say, I really used to like this school--I really did. Now, I wish someone had warned me about the sheer amount of racism on campus. It's incredibly ridiculous. I've been badgered with racist slurs on campus and have been continually disgusted by similar stories told to me by some of my friends. Recently, the theater department tried to put on a play called The NEGRO of Peter the Great. No one tried out. Then there's the plane that the College Republicans hired last May with a banner clearly stating that Hispanics were not welcome in this country. Then there's this issue of the Dartmouth Review. And there's the two frat boys who interrupted a Native American ceremony with more racist slurs. And on and on and on.</p>
<p>If you're a person of color considering this school, please please please think it through. I regret coming here so much; I would hate another person of color to suffer the same indignities on a regular basis. White people can plead ignorance all they want, but people of color see it just fine, with perfect 20/20.</p>
<p>This just wasn;t even close to my experience (I'm a minority) nor was it the experience of ay of my friends. I'm sorry you feel this way, but I just never experienced this at all. Also, if anything most of the campus doesn't agree with many of the review's positions.</p>
<p>Also to be fair, the plane was about "undocumented workers" - not all Hispanics. I'm not saying that the plane was appropriate though; ot most definitely wasn't. But it also wasn't necessarily racist.</p>
<p>My personal experience is that Dartmouth is a very open minded place and I never experienced any type of racism. The point to remember is that the Review is a group of 20-30 students, hardly a majority of the campus. Also, the Review has a tendency to stir up continual controversy and then you have students who get easily offended exaggerate intolerance (I mean is a Hawaiian party really that offensive?) Its a self-perpetuating cycle. Even the views expressed on this page seem to be from both sides of this extreme.</p>
<p>I'm a person of color too, and I haven't experienced any type of racism you've talked about. I personally think you need to find a new set of people to hang out with or a different setting to hang out in. There are racists everywhere, but I've seen less racism at Dartmouth than anywhere I've been. You have to admit, many people at Dartmouth are genuinely nice. </p>
<p>Referring to the play, it's a very notable play! Dartmouth didn't write or title the play you're talking about. It's Alexander Pushkin's famous play, and thats why they wanted to use it. I see nothing wrong with that. Have you read the play? Is it offensive to you? Or are you just one of those people that just look at the title and make ure judgement? Please, read the story and then decide whether its an offensive story.</p>
<p>The plane, bulldogbull is right, it referred to illegal immigrants/undocumented workers. While I support this type of immigration, I disagree with you criticizing it because the Review has its freedom of speech and saying that its wrong for them to display their opinion is wrong.</p>
<p>The two frat boys...They were drunk...They didn't know what they were doing. You CANNOT say ALL of Dartmouth is RACIST just because of the actions of two DRUNK kids at night. That's a ridiculous statement.</p>
<p>If you're a person of color, PLEASE come to Dartmouth. It's an amazing school that doesn't have problems with racism, but rather a very outspoken, liberal propoganda machine that tries to make problems where there aren't any.</p>