<p>Last</a> year's ASE results</p>
<p>5.111 and now 7.012/3/4 are the only subjects which require an ASE regardless of AP scores.</p>
<p>wow, no one takes the bio ASE...</p>
<p>another question: is it worth delaying the FEE to the second administration just in case you get a 5 on the AP English exam? if the HASS lottery is crucial to getting into a humanities course that you're interested in, i'm not too lazy to suck it up and write a few essays.</p>
<p>"No one" took the bio ASE before this year, because before this year a 5 on the AP Bio exam would exempt you from a semester of bio as part of the GIRs, so that small number of bio ASE-takers probably thought they might be able to join the AP Bio 5 folks. The AP option has now been removed for bio, so the number of ASE-takers this year is likely to rise to more closely match the number chem and physics ASE-takers.</p>
<p>My son did exactly as you suggest 2 summers ago, delaying his FEE to the second date so he could learn his AP English exam score. He learned of his 5 (and no need to take the second FEE) I think two days before the last FEE. Something very last-minute like that. But yeah, I don't know of any reason not to postpone, if you think you may have done well on the AP, but someone else can tell you the details of the HASS lottery.</p>
<p>If you strongly suspect you'll get a 5 in AP English, just don't take the first administration of the FEE and enter the HASS-D lottery in July anyway.</p>
<p>I don't think not having a pass yet for the FEE would impact your ability to enter the HASS-D lottery. I realize the First Year site seems to imply that, but I don't think it's actually true.</p>
<p>take the fee anyway, lazy bums :p</p>
<p>You have no idea how happy I am I don't have to take the FEE. SO HAPPY.</p>
<p>On the topic of ASEs, is the 8.01 ASE super-super-super hard, too? I've just taken mechanics for two years and I would reeeeally like to move on... but I never learned anything about fluids or thermodynamics because my school is stupid, so I'm not nearly as prepared as I should be. Gah.</p>
<p>l0lll, the FEE isn't that bad, now really.</p>
<p>It's just a couple essays. You've done that many times over on the AP's</p>
<p>And it's summer, no classes! :p</p>
<p>I wrote a 3-5pg essay about every week for my hass class this semester...</p>
<p>i'm a lot less apprehensive about essays now than I used to be :P</p>
<p>Egads !</p>
<p>hey, guess what? more questions about courses. today's questions concern double majoring:</p>
<p>0) the catalogue says that you can't count GIR classes toward degree requirements. can you count one major's degree requirements toward another major's degree requirements? for example, if i took a biochemistry class for a degree in biological engineering, would it be allowed to count that in the physics "flexible major" biophysics option? is the same true of lab requirements? if i took a lab course in biological engineering, could i apply that to the laboratory requirement in the physics "flexible major" thing? (well, actually doing pure physics experiments sounds like a blast, but suppose i decided not to do so.)</p>
<p>1) can you arrange an advanced standing exam for any arbitrary subject, or is this just a freshman thing? for example, i had a ton of physics exposure in high school (had a great high school physics teacher, took classes at case western, got super-involved in the physics olympiad, internships, etc), and looking at ocw/course pages, i am pretty confident that i know the content of 8.01, 8.02, 8.03, 8.033, and 8.04 quite well. i know i have 8.01 and 8.02 covered through ap classes and the ASE at orientation, getting credit for the other three would be most helpful if i plan to double major in physics.</p>
<p>2) completing 270 units, i have been told, is a rather tricky feat. but luckily, i have quite a bit of ap credit. does the 270 units specifically refer to coursework directly relevant to my majors, or do my N units of credit for 5's in latin, us history, et al. help me out.</p>
<p>0) i think that's about right. mollie would know more. i'm just a sophomore =P</p>
<p>1) yes, but for more advanced tests, you'd have to contact certain professors and have them agree to prepare an exam specifically for this case. i haven't heard of anyone ever doing that, so i'd guess it's quite a feat. the ASEs commonly offered (ie. more than a couple ppl take them) are 8.01, 8.02, 18.01, 18.02, 18.03, 18.06, 7.01x, 5.112, and 18.100 (strangely enough). hopefully i didn't miss any</p>
<p>that said, if you're majoring in physics, i'd suggest taking the courses so that instead of just being pretty confident that you know the content, you'll actually master the content and know it inside/out</p>
<p>i remember jumping into 8.012 thinking it'd be a breeze and then getting shellshocked a couple of times. but i guess that's why i'm not a physics major =D</p>
<p>i also know a lot of ppl who had very strong physics backgrounds in high school but still took the time to take 8.012 and 8.022 since those classes go into the basic theories a lot more in depth</p>
<p>2) yes, your AP will count towards that 270. there are some ppl who take extra seminars and stuff in order to meet that credit requirement. you can pretty much use anything to satisfy the credit requirement. though, your AP for cal and physics won't help, since they count towards GIRs</p>
<p>ooops, i sorta take what i said back about 0)</p>
<p>that's the rules for dual degrees w/ the course 2-A flexible option</p>
<p>sooooo, in your scenario, it might not count since the biochem class would be one of the "special electives" in the physics flexible major program</p>
<p>i dunno if the biophysics option has an extra clause like the 2-A option does</p>
<p>in other words....chill out, you over-eager young-un, and figure this out w/ your advisor in a year or so =P</p>
<p>You can absolutely count extra classes and labs toward a different major if they're counted under that second program.</p>
<p>Basically, for the requirements for two majors, you just have to complete the requirements for the two majors. If a class happens to fulfill requirements for two degree programs, then you can count it twice (eg I used 9.12 as a CI-M for both course 7A and course 9).</p>
<p>For the 270 units outside the GIRs, you can't double-count (a class is just worth the number of units it's worth, regardless of whether you counted it toward the requirements for two majors). As crazyray said, AP credit does count, and you'll get a letter later this summer telling you how much AP credit you've been awarded. You'll get 9 units per score of 5 on a humanities AP exam. Getting 270 units outside the GIRs is much less painful if you're coming in with a lot of AP credit.</p>
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the catalogue says that you can't count GIR classes toward degree requirements.
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This is a little bit of an oversimplification. You can't count GIR classes toward units outside the GIRs, but GIR classes can certainly fulfill degree requirements for a major. For example, 5.12 is required for a biology degree, but you can count it as a REST</a> subject. In that case, 5.12 would be counted toward a biology degree, but not toward the 180 units required outside the GIRs for one degree.</p>