<p>I can't decide which one is which.</p>
<p>JMO: Columbia
Brown
Yale
Harvard
Princeton
Cornell
UPenn
Dartmouth</p>
<p>Princeton is now extremely liberal- just read up on the President and most of the Women Deans. Though they just took Frist back. They had to because of the endowments from the family! The once conservative school is Far Left. Dartmouth Alumni just took an ad out in the NY Times complaining about the changing face of Dartmouth. Harvard Bounced MIT Grad Larry Summers for trying to change the direction of Harvard ( make it more like MIT many have said) The women folk won.</p>
<p>ps not saying its good or bad just that the Left is alive and well in places you wouldnt think!</p>
<p>Dartmouth is not conservative; it's just that the conservatives at Dartmouth -- who are a minority -- are very very vocal.</p>
<p>Brown, Columbia and Cornell are the most liberal among the Ivies. </p>
<p>Harvard and Yale are also liberal.</p>
<p>Dartmouth, Penn and Princeton are left of center, but not quite liberal.</p>
<p>I remember these discussions from when I was applying 5 years ago and you really would be surprised at how similar all these places are. Its pretty much a very similar applicant pool at all these schools and as for administration/professors, while there probably is a liberal slant at all these places they do definitely try to hire people from all areas of the spectrum. Sure, when you look at people like Robbie George and Bill Frist teaching at Princeton it seems awfully conservative but what about Peter Singer and Cornel West? Deeming an entire insitution as conservative or liberal (unless its called Bob Jones) is going to be an awfully difficult task among the ivies.</p>
<p>Views on some of these places are very outdated. Dartmouth is overwhelmingly liberal for example. The differences between these are almost moot.</p>
<p>In my experience (note the differences are very small, all are very liberal):</p>
<p>Brown/ Columbia/ Harvard
Yale
Dartmouth/ Cornell
Penn/ Princeton</p>
<p>As a Princeton student, it is easy to see that the majority of students at Princeton maintain a liberal viewpoint. However, unlike Columbia University and others, Princeton has had a great track record of encouraging fair political discourse and representing both sides equally in faculty appointments, lectures, and events. Liberal, moderate, and conservative organizations produce a number of publications, most notably American Foreign Policy, which is free, and others.</p>
<p>Personally, I think if you really want to see how the Ivies and other top schools fare in their politics, I would check out the Intercollegiate Studies Institute (ISI) 2008-09 edition of Choosing the Right College , which delineates in great detail which schools promote fair political discourse and which suppress unwelcome viewpoints. </p>
<p>Check it out here: <a href="http://www.isi.org/books/bookdetail.aspx?id=29fddb24-7b3a-42f7-9a87-19188b445c98%5B/url%5D">http://www.isi.org/books/bookdetail.aspx?id=29fddb24-7b3a-42f7-9a87-19188b445c98</a></p>
<p>Princeton undergraduate alum national politicians since Woodrow Wilson (none successful)-
Norman Thomas
Adlai Stevenson
Bill Bradley
Bill Frist
Ralph Nader</p>
<p>What is your point danas?</p>
<p>Bill Frist (R-Tennessee) was majority whip for quite a while, and Bill Bradley (D-New Jersey) was quite a successful senator. Also, you forgot:</p>
<p>Samuel Alito (Supreme Court Justice)
John Marshall Harlan II (Supreme Court Justice)
John Danforth (R-Missouri)
Dewey Bartlett (R-Oklahoma)
Christopher "Kit" Bond (R-Missouri)
Claiborne Pell (D-Rhode Island, created the Pell Grant Program)
Paul Sarbanes (D-Maryland)
Donald Rumsfeld (R-Illinois, Secretary of State)
Nicholas Katzenbach (Attorney General)
John F. Dulles (Secretary of State)
James Baker (Secretary of State)
Frank Carlucci (Secretary of State)
George Shultz (Secretary of State)
W. Michael Blumenthal (Secretary of the Treasury)</p>
<p>I think thats enough to show you have no idea what you are talking about.</p>
<p>tokyo</p>
<p>P.S. Adlai E. Stevenson II was not a national politician, he was the governor of Illinois for one term (I'm from Illinois).</p>
<p>Of course Princeton grads do very, very well.
My point was to dispel the idea that Princeton just produces conservatives.
I can't see why you should get defensive about Princeton for heaven's sake. It's Princeton!
By the way, my daughter is an '11.</p>
<p>Adlai Stevenson was the Democratic candidate for President in '52 and '56.
I'm from Illinois too.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, you forgot some of the most important people, especially the ones that were successful. I don't consider presidential candidate something that makes you a "national" politician, unless you are already in Washington.</p>
<p>Jeez, guys. Tone it down!</p>
<p>A major party nominee for President two rounds in a row is a feather in the cap of any collegiate institution.
I know you are young, but Stevenson was admired by many Democrats as the successor of FDR. There are no recent examples of people who lost a Presidential election (as a nominee of a major party), and yet was thought well enough of to get nominated once again the next time around.
My daughter is only 2 weeks into her "Princeton experience", but believe me, I am more than willing to think well of the place.</p>