<p>Dartmouth has an incredibly strong reputation on the east coast. In the biggest and most powerful circles (NYC, Boston, DC) its very strong, particularly in politics and business.</p>
<p>Why do people separate Wharton from the rest of Penn but not CC and Fu or the 10 different undergrad schools at Cornell? Penn is one college people.</p>
<p>Of interest is Dartmouth's alum giving rate (50%) which is topped only by Princeton and rivals that of top LACs, which are known for their happy alums as well.</p>
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Why do people separate Wharton from the rest of Penn but not CC and Fu or the 10 different undergrad schools at Cornell? Penn is one college people.
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<p>A legacy of when Wharton was heads and shoulders above the rest of Penn. Needless to say the gap between them has narrowed to the point where difference in the quality of the student body is negligible, but perception/"prestige" always lags behind reality quite a bit...</p>
<p>The reason why Wharton is separated from the other 3 Penn schools, while Columbia and Cornell schools are not, is simply that Wharton students themselves separate themselves from Penn. A Columbia College student and a Fu student both "went to Columbia," all Cornell students "went to Cornell," but UPenn Wharton students and their missing souls "went to Wharton," removing themselves from the other 3 schools. They insist on asserting themselves as better than the rest of the school, which not only makes them seem like the pompous pricks they are, it belittle the rest of their school...especially considering the absolute smartests students at Penn are probably at the College and Engineering (although the average at Wharton is smarter)</p>
<p>People say "I went to Columbia College" or "I went to Harvard College." It minimally separates themselves from others at the university (i.e. non traditional students, Barnard girls, etc).</p>
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especially considering the absolute smartests students at Penn are probably at the College and Engineering (although the average at Wharton is smarter)
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Lower acceptance rate != smarter. Prestige != smarter. Learn to differentiate between the two.</p>
<p>Well said from S snack.</p>
<p>If the other name wasn't confused with a state school they might be more inclined to use that one instead...alas.</p>
<p>Also it's interesting to note that there is a Wharton Alumni Club in my country, but CAS ppl are not allowed to join. Talk about equality, huh?</p>
<p>Pricks. What is the URL of this German Wharton Alumni Club?</p>
<p>I don't know why, but this whole distinction between Wharton and the rest of Penn doesn't sit well with me. I just don't like it. O well, it's still better than going to Cornell.</p>
<p>Well said from s snack. I had been wondering about the whole Wharton issue for a while...As if there wasn't enough competition with the other schools...</p>
<p>BTW...since we have talked about everything else influencing these rankings, how about the following ? ( posterX was kind enough to dig up the information for another thread...)</p>
<p>"Here is a list of institutions producing Fulbright Scholars this year, from Chronicle of Higher Education. Note that the number of applicants is for the most part fairly consistent from each school (although large schools like UC Berkeley have a few more than smaller ones), but the number who win from each school is very different:"</p>
<p>1 Yale U. 31
2 Harvard U. 25
3 Brown U. 24
4 Columbia U. 21</p>
<p>7 U. of Pennsylvania 18</p>
<p>9 Cornell U. 15 </p>
<p>14 Princeton U. 13</p>
<p>Dartmouth: Fewer than 10 (wasn't in the top 25) </p>
<p>(the numbers missing correspond to the rankings of non ivies, which I removed since we are not talking about the other schools..)</p>
<p>Undergrad Experience:
Brown
Dartmouth
Princeton
Cornell
Yale
Harvard
Columbia
UPenn</p>
<p>Social Life:
Dartmouth
Brown
Cornell
Princeton
Yale
Harvard
UPenn
Columbia</p>
<p>Appearance:
Princeton
Yale
Cornell
Brown
UPen
Columbia
Dartmouth
Harvard</p>
<p>Prestige:
Princeton
Harvard
Yale
UPenn
Columbia
Dartmouth
Cornell
Brown</p>
<p>^how is Penn the social Ivy yet at the bottom for social life? Also, my impression during my Cornell visit is that it's either greek or nerd. I can understand Dartmouth #1 though if thats what you like (it's not my cup of tea though).</p>
<p>Prestige.... okay listen. Whatever list that doesn't put Harvard on top of Prestige is a faux list. I'm going to Columbia--- but the list is like this traditionally:</p>
<ol>
<li><p>Harvard</p></li>
<li><p>Yale</p></li>
<li><p>Princeton</p></li>
<li><p>Columbia/Wharton</p>
<hr></li>
</ol>
<p>Cornell historically has been notable particularly due to its strong research at the grad level. Brown and Dartmouth are purely undergrad schools--- lack strong rep. Wharton is extremely strong--- but Penn CAS is with Brown, Dartmouth.</p>
<p>You know the problem with international prestige? Anything that is "University of" is considered a bad school. UChicago, Penn, UVA, Mich, UNC, etc are all considered mediocre. Cal transcends this because it is known as Berkeley.</p>
<p>Hmmm Berkeley is extremely reputable in china because </p>
<p>a) So many chinese ppl go there (50% undergrad = chinese I believe)
b) It has EXTREMELY strong grad programs. In fact, if it werent plagued by the fact that it's a state school and admitted less people uppings its selectivity, it'd be Ivy Caliber.</p>
<p>Given the sheer multitude of dimwits that I see in Wharton, I move to say that any prestige they have over the rest of us is unwarranted to say the least. Anyone who says Whartonites are better than the SAS kids is either a deluded and hopelessly arrogant Whartonite or someone who doesn't know much about Penn.</p>
<p>Anyone who is actually familiar with Penn will tell you that Whartonites may be smarter in the aggregate but the truly brilliant quakers have @sas in their email address.</p>
<p>This is how it is:</p>
<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
</ol>
<p>JohnnK-- that's the nature of the beast.</p>
<p>Whartonites test better in mathematics as you said on an aggregate level because these are the toolbags who are selling their soul for $$$. They realize they will never be the next Einstein or Hawkings.</p>
<p>CAS'ers, at schools like Penn & Columbia, on an aggregate level score less in math than SEAS'ers and Whartonites. BUT, the BRILLIANT future Nobel Laureates will almost undoubtedly be in CAS BECAUSE it's CAS that offers the pure math, pure science majors. These people really don't give a fart in space about $$$, they love basic research. It's these people who'll change the world. </p>
<p>On the flip side of the same token-- both the dumbest person and the smartest you will find at Penn & Columbia will likely be in CAS.</p>
<p>Edit: The day a Columbia SEAS'er or a Penn Whartonite wins a Nobel Prize is the day that the world is coming to an end.</p>