<p>truazn completely misses the fact that people in CC and SAS are also looking to work on Wall Street, go on to MBAs and JDs, and basically just want to delay selling their souls for a few years. </p>
<p>I've said it before, ranking the Ivies is a personal preference and there is no correct way. There are incorrect ways though.</p>
<p>^MovieBuff, on a per capita basis the list is probably something like this (% of the class)</p>
<p>Yale U. 31 2.4%
Brown U. 24 1.7%
Harvard U. 25 1.5%
Princeton U. 13 1.1%
Columbia U. 21 1.0%
Dartmouth: Fewer than 10 (wasn't in the top 25) probably near 1.0%
U. of Pennsylvania 18 0.8%
Cornell U. 15 0.5%</p>
<p>^How many undergrads are you counting per each school?
Do Barnard students get counted in Columbia University numbers?</p>
<p>Here are a few others. I threw in UT and UChicago for fun. Numbers are rounded, but there are no "ties" - these are the rankings. Source for all is COHE 2005.</p>
<p>library books/student (do you have to wait for recalls?)
Yale University 1100
Harvard University 820
Princeton University 810
Chicago 550
Dartmouth College 520
Brown University 470
Columbia University 440
Cornell University 330
University of Pennsylvania 290
University of Texas 180</p>
<p>library expenditure/student (are there enough quality resources in general? are the lights in the library burned out?)
Yale University $6,300
Harvard University $5,400
Princeton University $4,500
Dartmouth College $3,500
Brown University $2,500
Columbia University $2,400
Chicago $2,100
Cornell University $1,800
University of Pennsylvania $1,600
University of Texas $780</p>
<p>serial subscriptions/student (are there a lot of magazines and rare scholarly journals to read?)
Dartmouth College 10
Princeton University 8
Yale University 7
Harvard University 5
Brown University 4
Columbia University 4
Cornell University 4
Chicago 3
University of Pennsylvania 2
University of Texas 1</p>
<p>library staff/100students (are staff friendly, available, helpful, and willing to help you find that obscure item for your paper? note this is permanent staff only; colleges also hire student workers but those are not tracked here)
Harvard University 5.7
Yale University 5.7
Princeton University 4.4
Dartmouth College 3.6
Brown University 2.4
Columbia University 2.4
Cornell University 1.9
Chicago 1.8
University of Pennsylvania 1.5
University of Texas 0.9</p>
<p>^^^Very neat!</p>
<p>I think that i have been in the ball park all along. Without considerations for personal preferences, it is clear that three groups emerge ( just like someone said earlier )</p>
<p>Yale, Harvard, Princeton (top)
Brown, Dartmouth (mid)
Columbia, Cornell, U Penn (bottom)</p>
<p>Also, about the newly released list of 72 new members and 18 new foreign associates of the prestigious National Academy of Sciences: </p>
<p>Princeton, Harvard - 5 each
Cornell - 2
Yale, Brown, Dartmouth - 1 each
Columbia, Penn- shut out</p>
<p>Cool, but a better measure than that might be total NAS membership per undergraduate science major. Dartmouth has just 2 members total, Brown has 11 and Cornell and Penn each have about 30 (with many of Cornell's 300 miles away from the Ithaca campus, in NY City). HYP each have more than sixty.</p>
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<p>I wonder if posterx acknowledges any stats that don't put Yale on top.</p>
<p>Hey posterx what'd you get on your SATs?</p>
<p>My list:
Harvard
Princeton
Yale
Columbia/UPenn (tied)
Brown
Dartmouth
Cornell</p>
<p>lol i don't understand how all of you come up with these rankings. clearly, it's all a matter of biased opinion and is largely influenced by prestige. and yeah, i have to agree with some of the other posters, cornell should definitely get more recognition (i don't know of any reputable school offering that many courses of study all at a rigorous level). people here also need to recognize that acceptance rates really shouldn't matter when coming up with a list like this (eg, cornell is the biggest ivy..obviously more people will apply). and not too long ago, penn accepted about 50% of its applicants if you tie this arbitrary number into the mix. penn CAS is also easily comparable to the liberal arts colleges of cornell/brown/dartmouth. rankings are ridiculous. if you solely base your life choices on rankings, it will be quite miserable. its all about what fits you best. sure its nice to say 'im going to harvard' to some distant family member during the holidays when you're asked..but is this really where you see yourself thriving? sadly, this phenomena doesn't only exist with ivy league schools. stop worrying about what other people think and start to foresee at what school your lives will excel. good luck brainiacs.</p>
<p>I would, Biggyboy, but that would not only be less fun, it would be more work. </p>
<p>Not to mention not nearly as effective at stoking my own narcissism :)</p>
<p>The above list of Fulbright scholars is deceiving - it includes graduate school scholars in with undergrad scholars. Looking just at undergrad scholars, the numbers are different (2005-2006 data) <a href="https://us.fulbrightonline.org/documents/instit.pdf%5B/url%5D">https://us.fulbrightonline.org/documents/instit.pdf</a></p>
<p>Total number of undergraduate scholars by school:</p>
<p>Columbia - 10
Stanford - 10
Harvard - 9
Princeton - 8
Dartmouth - 7
Yale - 7
(Some schools did not break down undergrad from graduate scholars (Cornell, Penn)</p>
<p>In contrast, Pomona had 12 Fulbright scholars, and with 1,500 students is smaller than these schools. It's not all about HYPSM.</p>
<p>SarahsDad, your numbers are WAY off because many (if not all) of the "At-Large" Fellows on your list are actually affiliated with colleges, and were in fact undergraduates at those institutions, even though your list doesn't say which ones because the funding and awarding criteria are quite complicated. You have to look at the Chronicle list to see the actual list by college, which I have posted above. Both lists, yours and mine, may include a few graduate scholars.</p>
<p>I met an undergrad who is a Fulbright Scholar at Penn during my preview, so we have at least 1.</p>
<p>... forgot Brown. From the data cited in my above post:</p>
<p>Undergraduate Fulbright Scholars:</p>
<p>Brown: 22</p>
<p>I don't know why, but this whole distinction between Wharton and the rest of Penn doesn't sit well with me. I just don't like it. O well, it's still better than going to Cornell.</p>
<p>I am going to Cornell and I am VERY happy about that. I didn't even BOTHER to apply to Penn..I believe it to be utterly useless outside of Wharton.</p>
<p>"I didn't even BOTHER to apply to Penn..I believe it to be utterly useless outside of Wharton."</p>
<p>Penn is a great institution with good resources (see above for details). It is certainly one of the top 40 or 50 undergraduate institutions in the country, which is saying a lot considering that there are thousands of colleges out there.</p>
<p>Upenn is "one of the top 40 or 50 undergraduate institutions in the country"</p>
<p>Yeah</p>
<p>"I didn't even BOTHER to apply to Penn..I believe it to be utterly useless outside of Wharton."</p>
<p>Penn is a great institution with good resources (see above for details). It is certainly one of the top 40 or 50 undergraduate institutions in the country, which is saying a lot considering that there are thousands of colleges out there.</p>
<p>Lol...yeah I know it is. I only said that because I was angry at what the poster stated. Honestly, I was going to apply to PENN but I didn't because of the ridiculous application essays where they wanted you to read about teachers. I thought it was ridiculous. Yeah, It's a great place but I was just being vengeful.</p>
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<p>Please.</p>
<p>Oh let me guess, Yale is one of the top 1?</p>