Rank the Ivy and Pseudo-Ivy League

<p>On the International Front, until 30 years ago, it was:</p>

<p>Harvard
Berkeley</p>

<p>Stanford has jumped in with those two to make a US Trio, that along with Cambridge and Oxford, are the 5 great universities of the world.</p>

<p>I realize OP only asked for his list, plus one Public from our region, so I can see how Berkeley is not on most respondent’s lists.</p>

<p>Princeton is rare to see on media. People know the universities well if they are well-presented on movies and TV shows. On the other hand, HYSM are frequently mentioned. (Think about the Stanford T-Shirt in Avatar) Furthermore, the graduate school of Princeton is unable to compete with HSM. And 90% of international prestige is gained by graduate school. </p>

<p>Cornell’s reputation is contributed by politics. Lee Teng Hui, the 7th, 8th, and 9th president of Taiwan, graduated from Cornell. My family, friedns and a lot of ppl in Asia know Cornell because of that.</p>

<p>Actually, Yale should appreciate Harvard.
I clearly remember that, when I was young, the appearance of Yale always accompanied with Harvard. Basically, Yale is tagged as Harvard’s historical rivalry. People always follow the logics like: Harvard is great, so is its rivalry.</p>

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I would replace Berkeley with MIT.</p>

<p>^ I second that. I don’t know since when, but I always knew MIT was a special place for overachievers… must’ve been those MIT genius alumni in the media :)</p>

<p>But Princeton is quite know in the media as well, although maybe not as much as Yale because it isn’t part of the Harvard-Yale rivalry. It was in Transformers 2 and other movies as well… though it didn’t get a Korean TV series like Harvard did, lol.</p>

<p>And I mentioned this already, but some of you said educated people you knew didn’t know about Princeton. Does that mean they don’t know F Scott Fitzgerald? That can’t be possible they didn’t come across This Side of Paradise, I mean, puh-lease [insert exaggerated eye roll here]</p>

<p>F Scott Fitzgerald? I don’t even know that…
The major problem with Princeton is that, it does not have top engineering, medical, business and law schools. However, within the well-educated (not only educated) and elite classes, everyone knows Princeton well and regards it as peer of HYSM. Why? Because every department at Princeton is top-notch. From my experience, if you ask students, at any top universities in Asia, to name the best 5 universities in the world, 95% of the time it turns out to be HYPSM (choices among Y, P & Berkeley are arbitrary) , no particular order. oxbridge comes below that league.</p>

<p>About prestige among lay-man, NOBODY CARES! I know that sounds rude, but it how things work. For example, in finance, a master degree in finance from Stern is much more impressive than that from Yale. But for lay-man, who knows little about finance, will definitely go with Yale, since the OVERALL prestige of Yale is far better.</p>

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<p>The Stanford guys have it right. ;)</p>

<p>See <strong>Results: Rank the Ivy League and Pseudo-Ivy League</strong> for a compilation of the rankings.</p>

<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li><p>MIT</p></li>
<li><p>Penn</p></li>
<li><p>Columbia</p></li>
<li><p>Brown</p></li>
<li><p>Dartmouth</p></li>
<li><p>Chicago</p></li>
<li><p>CalTech</p></li>
<li><p>Duke</p></li>
<li><p>Cornell</p></li>
<li><p>Northwestern</p></li>
<li><p>JHU</p></li>
</ol>

<ol>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Duke</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
<li>Georgetown</li>
<li>JHU</li>
</ol>

<ol>
<li>Stanford </li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>MIT</li>
<li>Princeton </li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Chicago /Columbia</li>
<li>Caltech / Berkeley</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>Duke / Cornell / Northwestern / JHU</li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
</ol>

<p>Berkeley over Penn, Brown, Dartmouth, and Duke for undergrad? LOL!</p>

<p>MIT
Stanford
Yale
Harvard
Princeton
CalTech
UChicago
Brown
Johns Hopkins
WashU
Dartmouth
Northwestern
Duke
UGA
Union</p>

<p>? No LAC listed? Is this list only limited to universities?</p>

<ol>
<li>Harvard

<ol>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Caltech</li>
<li> MIT</li>
<li>Columbia</li>
<li>Chicago</li>
<li>Penn</li>
<li>JHU</li>
<li>Cornell</li>
<li>Duke </li>
<li>Dartmouth</li>
<li>Brown</li>
<li>Northwestern</li>
</ol></li>
</ol>

<p>All the rankings here are incomplete. The only undeniable fact is that Harvard is #1 everywhere. </p>

<p>All rankings are accurate only in a certain geographical location.</p>

<p>For example, Pton has a huge reputation on the East Coast, but not many people know much about it in Arizona. They are more familiar with Princeton Review than Princeton University. </p>

<p>That said, the perception of prestige from those in mid-tier management positions of large companies, but who are not scholars or recruiters are…</p>

<p>East Coast
1)Harvard
2)Pton, Yale, MIT
3)Stanford, Columbia, UPenn, Dart, Cornell, Brown, Duke, Notre Dame
4)NYU, Penn State, top liberal arts, UVa, William and Mary
5)Berkeley, U of M, UCLA, USC and many others</p>

<p>West Coast
1)Harvard, Stanford
2)Yale, MIT, Caltech, Cornell, Berkeley
3)UCLA, USC, Pomona, Pton
4)Other Ivies
5)OSU, WSU, etc</p>

<p>Asia
1)Harvard
2)Stanford, Berkeley, Yale, MIT
These are all the foreign universities Asians generally know about, aside from Oxford and Cambridge. Harvard really stands out here since even migrant workers in China or Thai farmers know about it. </p>

<p>Europe
1)Harvard
2)Stanford, MIT, Pton, Yale, Columbia, Berkeley</p>

<p>Overall global ranking
1)Harvard (by far)
2)Stanford
3)MIT
4)Yale/Berkeley
5)Other Ivies and top publics</p>

<p>And unfortunately, middle management don’t usually differentiate between undergrad or grad prestige.</p>

<p>No Notre Dame?</p>

<p>Added Duke and Notre Dame to East Coast schools. </p>

<p>It is common knowledge that Berkeley was the second best university in the world 30 years ago. It has undeniably slipped in the ranking when Stanford became the main think-tank or even the “progenitor” of Silicon Valley. </p>

<p>Overall,
Harvard - stable in its pre-eminent position, due to the continued presidents and other visionaries it has recently generated (Obama, Zuckerberg, etc.). However, I don’t expect this to continue.
Stanford - rising, due to its obvious role as the incubator of top companies
Berkeley - falling, to be honest, because it just can’t compete financially with private schools and especially Stanford which is terrific at raising money.
Pton, Yale, Duke, other Ivies - rising
UCLA - stable because it just doesn’t have much competition in the LA area except USC
MIT - stable</p>

<p>Other universities to watch out for over the next 30 years to become global universities
Duke, Vandy, Chicago, Northwestern, NYU, Notre Dame, USC, UCSD, JHU, WUSTL</p>

<p>Other quickly rising schools, but too small or too far behind to become international names anytime soon
Ohio, UT-Austin, Wisconsin, UF, UMCP</p>

<p>The main factor for a school’s rise is simply its ability to attract the best in a large geographical area. A large number of people need to see the school as their first choice. For this reason, UC Irvine won’t easily rise because it is overshadowed by UCLA. Very few of the best are going to attend that school over UCLA. Ohio or UF is a different story, as it is the first choice for many top students.</p>

<p>The only schools that have nationwide recognition among semi-educated America aka the Middle Class is Harvard, Yale, Princeton, Stanford, MIT, Duke, Notre Dame, and possibly Georgetown. Most people in L.A. and Houston haven’t really heard or Brown or Dartmouth.</p>

<ol>
<li>Harvard </li>
<li>Harvard </li>
<li>Harvard </li>
</ol>

<p>Not enuff Harvard pls.</p>