<p>Harvard > Columbia >>> Michigan. HTH.</p>
<p>Harvard undergrads = ~7,000</p>
<p>Columbia undergrads = ~7,000</p>
<p>Michigan undergrads = ~26,000</p>
<p>So there are probably almost 4x the number of Michigan undergrad alumni than there are either Harvard or Columbia undergrad alumni.</p>
<p>You’re a Michigan undergrad alum, no??</p>
<p>I enjoy what interestingguy has to say now. I have had him on ignore for weeks. :-)</p>
<p>Harvard, Princeton, Yale
UChicago, Penn, Columbia
NYU, Michigan, Duke
Brown, Cornell, MIT
Virginia, Berekley, Norhtwestern, ND
Plus the a few small private colleges like Swarthmore & Williams</p>
<p>Brand name is a lot in NYC!</p>
<p>Chicago, Penn, NYU, and Michigan over MIT? That seems a little hard to believe.</p>
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<p>Personal story:</p>
<p>Last year: 2 roommates. </p>
<p>Roommate 1: Turned down ENTIRE Ivy League, Stanford and Notre Dame (no joke)
Roommate 2: Turned down MIT and CalTech</p>
<p>Happy Holidays- check your ego at the door.</p>
<p>Love,
A UCLA student</p>
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<p>This is supposed to be a secret. At least the reasons still are. :)</p>
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<p>Despite the 33% tuition hikes due to budget cuts, UCLA in-state tuition for native Californians is still a pretty good deal. Though I hope neither of your roommates intend to study an “impacted” major.</p>
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<p>Because it’s not true…</p>
<p>hawkette, merry xmas to you, but let us continue this debate. </p>
<p>I’m disappointed with you because you still didn’t understand what you’re debating about, and you’re frustrated debating with me because your line of thinking is twisted; add to that your gross ignorance about Berkeley, UMich and such schools. </p>
<p>Again, you cannot compare small schools as a whole to the whole of Berkeley or Michigan. Berkeley and Michigan have entirely different set-ups. They are huge and run by departments. Small schools run as a whole. Im not saying Berkeleys set-up is better than Emorys set-up. I just saying theyre both very different schools and theyre run and managed differently. Why cant you understand that? </p>
<p>At Berkeley, for example, engineering students are in their different world. Well, most of the time. They have their own facilities, set of faculty, clubs and organizations, admissions standard, etc, etc. The college heads choose their students and they choose the best. COE students rarely hold classes with students from the College of Natural Resources or Environmental Design or Haas. Haas students dont hold classes with students with other colleges, and so on. Thats just how things are at Berkeley. Therefore, it is incorrect to compare the whole of Berkeley to any school with different setup. You cannot compare the whole of Berkeley to Vandy/Emory. Theyre different. Again, they are different. And, failing to understand that scenario makes your entire argument fallacious. Thats why you will never ever win in this debate. Your premise is flawed and its funny that you didnt know that.</p>
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<p>Since when were you objective about Berkeley??? </p>
<p>lol…</p>
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<p>hawkette, but that’s what you’ve always been saying here, yet here you are contradicting your own claims now. That’s the problem debating with you. You say something now and change or twist it later. Then you come up with millions of scapegoats none of them are relevant to the issue being debated upon. You also dont answer important questions, and you dont acknowledge when youre wrong. </p>
<p>According to you, Emory’s student body is superior to Berkeley’s because Emory has a higher average SAT score. You ignored as youve always done it that Berkeley doesn’t put too much emphasis or importance on SAT scores (as do privates.) Now, using your own logic, it would appear that WUStL student body is stronger than Stanfords. It would also appear that Vanderbilts student body is just as strong as Stanfords. Again, thats according to your own reasoning and logic. But here you are again contradicting that. You are being inconsistent and it makes your whole argument weak and unreliable.</p>
<p>hawkette, </p>
<p>you have to be specific when you talk about Berkeley. It should not end it at Berkeley when you try to compare it to other schools. </p>
<p>In other words, compare Emory engineering to Berkeley engineering and so on. It’s silly to compare Emory to Berkeley as a whole because there are many universe within Berkeley. I hope this is clearer now.</p>
<p>RML,
Your argument holds if you are saying that institutions like Emory and UC Berkeley cannot be compared and ranked against one another.</p>
<p>Your argument falls apart when you go on to claim that UC Berkeley is soooooo much better than Emory.</p>
<p>Which is it? They can’t be compared or UC Berkeley is “better?” </p>
<p>Fwiw, I think that the first line of thinking is a stronger argument.</p>
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<p>…which basically makes all of your myriad of statistical comparisons moot.</p>
<p>hawkette, I said Berkeley has more prestige than Emory. I meant the name Berkeley is stronger than the Emory name. And prestige matters considerably in the real world. Noticed how the top employers even in NY seek for Berkeley grads but not Emory grads? That’s because the Berkeley name is a superior brand name. Emory’s is not so much. It’s a respected school. But it’s clearly not in the league of Berkeley’s. </p>
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You can. But you can’t make a sensible outcome. You can’t make the result useful… </p>
<p>For example, which school would you recommend to the students if they are asking for the better engineering school between Cal and Emory? </p>
<p>Now, using your statistics and claims, it would appear that Emory would be a stronger school for engineering despite the fact that, in reality, Berkeley has the better engineering program. In other words, your statistics won’t tell us what the real truth really is and you’d end up giving the wrong advice to the students.</p>
<p>Emory does not have an engineering school, fyi.</p>
<p>I live in bostonarea.I think it’s difficult to rank.The reason why is that many of students here know the prestigious schools in the Nation,but few of them talk about the prestigious ones,i can often hear students talking aboutHarvardMIT,Tufts,Brandeis,BC,BU,Amherst,Williams here but can not hear Caltech,Stanford,Chicago,Columbia,etc which are also good colleges,
So the conclusion is that the rankinghave two standards,prestigious-based or popular based.</p>
<p>Lay prestige is often hard to assume. I was talking to one of the construction guys around my house about my son coming home from school. He asked where he went, and after I said, Yale, he looked at me nonplussed and said, Where is that? I assume had I said UCLA he might have been more impressed. Oops, shouldn’t have mentioned UCLA, it’s out of the top 20!</p>
<p>Yea,me too.Once our teacher asked our students the top10 universities in america i say Columbia there was a student didn’t even know where is it(i live in boston so NYC is just like 4 hours driving south).</p>