<p>undegrad quality?</p>
<p>Williams
Amherst
Swarthmore
Pton
Y
Duke
Dartmouth
Stanford
Brown
who knows?</p>
<p>(just an opinion - I don't know much about the broad spectrum of schools)</p>
<p>Remember theses are just MY favorite UNDERGRADUATE schools. PM me and I'll gladly tell you why</p>
<p>Brown
Yale
Stanford
Pomona
Princeton
Williams
Oberlin
Vassar
Wash U </p>
<p>For the record. I don't lke: </p>
<p>Harvard, Penn, Columbia, MIT, Caltech, any UC or school larger than 10,000, Johns Hopkins...</p>
<p>IMO Brown is THE most OVERRATED school out there. Honestly what are their strengths? They are selective and are an ivy league, and that's about it. They lack research and IMO are more of a LAC than a Research univ. They are similar to a LAC because they only have one undergrad college, no divisional requirements, emphasize breadth over depth, and generally share all characteristics of a LAC(which is not a bad thing really). They lack a law school, and as far as undergrad they don't really have strong business, engineering, or anything that i am familiar with. They are well rounded and IMO deserve to be 20-30, but because of their ivy league title they are generally ranked top 20. In past years they were ranked as the worst ivy league, until this year cornell dropped below them which baffles me because Cornell IMO is a much better institution. I am no expert and alot of you will disagree, so...</p>
<p>Deep Springs (Please, add women!)
Princeton
Dartmouth
Williams
Amherst
Swat
Duke
Brown</p>
<p>I agree with you UVAjoe, even though Brown was one of the schools I liked best just because I didn't have any req's. </p>
<p>Of course I didn't go there, so it doesn't matter</p>
<p>UVA Joe, i agree with you, but Dartmouth doesn't exactly have the faculty or departments like some of these other schools. I admit it is an amazing school, and ppl seem to be successful from it.</p>
<p>That's true too. I consider Dartmouth more of a breeding ground for successful people. They have a great econ department and some of the best networking around.</p>
<p>u guys rate caltech so low</p>
<p>my list-</p>
<ol>
<li>Caltech / MIT</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Princeton</li>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Tufts</li>
<li>NONE</li>
<li>NONE</li>
<li>NONE</li>
<li>BHCC</li>
</ol>
<p>"IMO Brown is THE most OVERRATED school out there. Honestly what are their strengths? They are selective and are an ivy league, and that's about it. They lack research and IMO are more of a LAC than a Research univ. They are similar to a LAC because they only have one undergrad college, no divisional requirements, emphasize breadth over depth, and generally share all characteristics of a LAC(which is not a bad thing really). They lack a law school, and as far as undergrad they don't really have strong business, engineering, or anything that i am familiar with. They are well rounded and IMO deserve to be 20-30, but because of their ivy league title they are generally ranked top 20. In past years they were ranked as the worst ivy league, until this year cornell dropped below them which baffles me because Cornell IMO is a much better institution. I am no expert and alot of you will disagree, so..."</p>
<p>Actually Brown has a lot of research going on. I know that in my field, neuroscience, they just got a graduate partnership with NIH and just made a groundbreaking technology that allows paralyzed people to move things by controlling a computer chip in their brains. They are at the top of research for neuroscience. </p>
<p>Only having one undergraduate college in no way makes you an LAC. Princeton, Yale, and Harvard all have one undergraduate school. </p>
<p>They are ranked at the bottom of the ivy league which puts them at a dismal...13 in the country! When you're at the TOP (cough) of the rankings like that and differences in scores are infintismal, differences in quality are hardly conveyed. Are you saying Yale is inferior to Harvard and Princeton because it scored 99 out of 100 instead of 100? Please. There's no distinction</p>
<p>Few top universities have bussiness schools, and many don't have law schools either. </p>
<p>Anyways, even if it were an LAC, how would that make it overrated?
And by the way, most LAC's have TONS of divisional requirements-- that's what makes them liberal arts colleges.</p>
<p>The professors Dartmouth has, some incredible pnes. are 100% engaged with undergrads. Let's face it, lots of the big names grace the halls of the school part of the year and mostly work with grad students at most colleges.</p>
<p>mathwhiz rated Tufts at 6...hahahahahahahahahahah</p>
<p>i know 3 people who applied to Tufts as a SAFETY (and all three got accepted..so much for the syndrome.. and all three went to tother schools..)</p>
<p>mathwhiz u wanna explain why u think so highly of tufts? higher than upenn, duke .columbia etc????!</p>
<p>These are my top schools for ME, not my objective value judgement. Um, so nobody shoot me about the schizophrenia of the list or anything.</p>
<p>1.) University of Chicago (AHHHHH LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE...I really need to not get this attached to a school)
2.) George Washington University
3.) Kenyon College
4.) Harvard University
5.) St. John's College
6.) New York University
7.) Oh I wish Deep Springs let girls in.</p>
<p>And as for why people think Brown's so great...I agree with you that it doesn't resemble a research institution as much as it might. But kids from my class go there every year in just about every field of interest (two of this year's kids are a hippie artsy chick and a kid who took Physics II and ran the Science-Fiction Club), so there's some measure of diversity in appeal. I don't have an answer for you about the ranking numbers you're throwing around, not being well-versed in them, but...this is just my input. Sorry if it's not addressing your initial argument.</p>
<p>Here we go again...</p>
<p>I have posted this before. Top schools...</p>
<p>1) ITT Technical Institute
2) U of Phoneix (online)
3) DeVry University
4) UPenn</p>
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IMO Brown is THE most OVERRATED school out there. Honestly what are their strengths? They are selective and are an ivy league, and that's about it. They lack research and IMO are more of a LAC than a Research univ. They are similar to a LAC because they only have one undergrad college, no divisional requirements, emphasize breadth over depth, and generally share all characteristics of a LAC(which is not a bad thing really). They lack a law school, and as far as undergrad they don't really have strong business, engineering, or anything that i am familiar with. They are well rounded and IMO deserve to be 20-30, but because of their ivy league title they are generally ranked top 20. In past years they were ranked as the worst ivy league, until this year cornell dropped below them which baffles me because Cornell IMO is a much better institution. I am no expert and alot of you will disagree, so...
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<p>I can agree with you on one aspect - Brown basically is a LAC that just also happens to have a medical school and a few PhD programs. But at the end of the day, it's far far closer to a LAC than to a research university. (Same thing can be said about Dartmouth). </p>
<p>And let's face it, if Brown was classified as a LAC, as I think it should be, then Brown would be one of the best LAC's in the world, if not the best one. Brown is fully competitive in selectivity and resources with Williams, Amherst, and Swarthmore. It's just that Brown also has some graduate programs, so Brown gets unfortunately lumped into the research university category where it has to compete against extremely heavily research and graduate-intensive schools like Berkeley or Michigan. Schools like Brown and Berkeley are not entirely comparable just like schools like Williams and Michigan are not entirely comparable.</p>
<p>You also talk about Brown lacking a law school. Well, what does that have to do with it? Princeton, MIT and Caltech don't have law schools. Does that mean that they are bad schools? </p>
<p>You also talk about Brown not having good undergraduate business or engineering programs. Again, what does that have to do with anything? Harvard, Yale, and Columbia don't have good undergraduate engineering programs and don't have any undergraduate business program. Princeton, Stanford, and Caltech don't have undergraduate business programs either. Yet I think we can all agree that these are some very good schools. </p>
<p>I don't think you can say that Cornell is a much better institution than Brown is. I think what is fair to say is that they appeal to different people. If you want a highly LAC-ish, personalized education, you should prefer Brown over Cornell. If you want a highly research-oriented education at a larger school , then you should prefer Cornell over Brown. Neither could be said to be 'much' better than the other.</p>
<p>doesn't brown have major funding problems? (well by university/ivy league standards atleast?..) i could be (am probably) wrong.. but this is what i heard...</p>
<p>I was told that by the admission's committee this year (Brown having major funding problems). I had heard it, but wasn't sure how accurate it was until their (Brown) own adcoms told me.</p>
<p>Claysoul,
First of all if you actually read my post i clearly state that being a LAC is not a bad thing. And you are right, many good schools are not strong in business, engineering, or in certain fields. The thing is to MY KNOWLEDGE brown is not strong in ANY. "TOP", they actually are generally ranked closer to 20 than to 10, 13th is the highest they have been in the last 8 years or so, one year being 17th. As i said:</p>
<ol>
<li>Brown has a HUGE funding problem.</li>
<li>Brown lacks research.</li>
<li>Brown is not strong in any departments to my knowledge.</li>
<li>Brown resembles a LAC, which is not bad, but they also have nearly 6000 undergrads which is quite large for a LAC.</li>
<li>Brown has weak grad programs, without a law school.</li>
<li>Just try to answer this question: what makes brown a great institution? I draw blanks.</li>
<li>All brown really is then is a LAC -THAT'S IT, but unlike dartmout etc. (to my knowledge) they aren't really that dedicated to being a LAC, they don't even have liberal arts requirements, and they have no strong programs to my knowledge.</li>
<li>Also their Med school is ranked poorly.</li>
<li>You guys attack each of my attacks, and i agree that each problem i have stated with brown can be found in the nation's other top institutions. But Brown combines all of the Problems. No Law, weak medicine, no distinctive undergrad depts. -weak eng. bus. etc., resemble a LAC but would be a very large LAC -which isn't really a good thing -sakky- they would not be a top LAC -not without being strong in the humanities etc. and with 6000 undergrads(how many top LAC's have enrollement above 4000?), also they have the horrible funding issue(a few years ago they were need aware!).</li>
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<p>Ok, after that unplanned rant, just answer one question what makes brown great? Only two things i can think of:</p>
<ol>
<li>selectivity</li>
<li>ivy league</li>
</ol>
<p>Claysoul and sakky, you guys can spin it whatever way you like, but i don't think you can essentially deny brown's problems. Brown is a solid school but they are way overrated(IMO because of their ivy status=reputation, but what does that mean?). </p>
<p>The main point i am making is that IMO Brown has NO STRENGTHS, yes some schools have weaknesses but that is ALL BROWN HAS. I look at brown as a very liberal institution in which kids are encouraged to explore themselves, and that is about it. I really don't want to offend anyone, so sorry if i did, but i just don't really care for Brown. </p>
<p>For the USNWR brown should not be ranked mid 20's IMO.</p>
<p>Gosh, this whole Brown debate is getting just a tiny bit heated.....Remember, these are opinions!
1. Yale
2. Dartmouth
3. U of Chicago
4. Princeton
5. Stanford
6. Duke
7. Amherst
8. Williams
9. Cornell
10. Notre Dame</p>
<ol>
<li>Stanford</li>
<li>Harvard</li>
<li>Yale</li>
<li>Princeton
5.Georgetown SFS</li>
<li>U. Virginia</li>
<li>U Chicago</li>
<li>U Penn</li>
</ol>
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<p>...and to think that brown was my top choice!!!!LOL</p>