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<p>Use that as a reflection of what the undergraduate programs may be ranked.</p>
<p>My personal opinion is that if you want to study economics, don’t go to a economics department that is situated in a business school.</p>
<p>I get that same feeling Ray, although I have not studied economics in a department within a business school so I can’t say from experience how it is. I want to think that its not real economics and it has too much of a business influence but I’m not sure. On the other hand the economics could be the same but you just have to have the business core classes as well. Remember that generally an economics major does not take very much time to complete so it would be easy for the business program to offer the econ classes and then load you up with required business classes on the side.</p>
<p>I personally think that placing an econ department in a business school implies a shoddy understanding of what economics is supposed to be about. I mean, no respectable math program is placed in the engineering school.</p>
<p>U guys,
if i wanna major in economics for undergrad, should i consider the rankings of economics for graduate schools, or should i consider overall rankings?</p>
<p>Cause, i wanna go to Rice, so i was wondering if Rice has a good economics department</p>
<p>…why isn’t Vassar amongst those LACs?</p>
<p>First of all, ignore that group nonsense, that is simply wrong and a very bad list. If you are a high school student looking in to post secondary education for economics, you NEED to know the difference between freshwater and saltwater economics. What you will learn is completely different. There are Nobel prize winners from both sides who will call eachother stupid, the difference is that big. </p>
<p>Anyways, I’ll be as unbiased as I can as I go to the University of Rochester, but here is how it goes:</p>
<p>Freshwater Schools: Limited Gov’t intervention. A lot of us say, “Markets fail, Use Markets.” What this means is we know there are problems associated with free markets, but you can often fix those problems by introducing new markets. Think pollution permits. </p>
<p>University of Chicago is by far the most famous school in this field and the most famous economics school in the USA. After that is Carnegie Mellon, U of Rochester, U of Minnesota. At bare minimum the faculty at these schools are highly cited, at most they have won a Nobel Prize. </p>
<p>Freshwater: They also acknowledge that Free Markets fail. However they support a little more gov’t intervention. They believe the government can spend money to solve problems or to help dampen business cycles. See Keynesian Economics. </p>
<p>The most famous schools are Harvard, MIT, Princeton and Yale. Again, very famous Professors, but very different than freshwater. </p>
<p>If you can, you should chose one of the schools I have listed above. They are the most active and influential in the current debates of policy, and it makes them the most fun to go to for economics. </p>
<p>We have a list of the top 10 undergraduate economics programs in America from Time Magazine in our Department. I can’t remember it all, but U of Chicago was #1, Harvard was #2, MIT #3, U of Rocheser #9 and Yale #10. I can’t remember the middle. </p>
<p>But again, DO some research before you chose. I would never transfer to Harvard, MIT or Princeton even if they offered me a full scholarship. I do not believe what they teach is correct. I love my professors here, and I am part of a group who received a 10 million dollar grant to start an econ organization. Which will be unaffiliated with the school (which shows how little we care about rankings)?</p>
<p>I’ll also note that if you plan to go in to business afterward, slipper is correct. Employer’s look at overall rankings more. There are exceptions though, U of Chicago for economics is well known as the best. But as far as joining the debate and loving your academic career, go by my list. I should also note that Professor’s at these schools are very well connected because they are famous. U of Rochester is only ranked 39, but as the econ department attracts better professors than the rest of the school, they help us econ majors meet people. I already have a great job lined up after school because of one of my professors. </p>
<p>Anyways, I have written enough, [Saltwater</a> and freshwater economics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia](<a href=“http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltwater_and_freshwater_economics]Saltwater”>Saltwater and freshwater economics - Wikipedia)</p>
<p>You can go there for more. If your smart, go Freshwater! And remember, saltwater economists think that taking money from the private sector to the public sector can help! One pocket to another doesn’t fix anything! </p>
<p>I’ve said enough…good luck</p>
<p>^^^You have no idea what the hell you’re talking about.</p>
<p>You fail to recognize that economics is a positive, not normative, science. Unless you go to some school that has a heterodox department (i.e Grove city college - Austrian, GMU - Austrian, UMass - Marxist), what you will learn as an undergrad is neoclassical economics. </p>
<p>So don’t get caught up in freshwater vs. saltwater debates…the economic method is methodological, not ideological. Econometrics, intermediate micro/macro theory will be taught similarly across all schools</p>
<p>So,can you give me some information about getting scholarships there?especially for international student?</p>
<p>I never saw that post by bschmeer. What a terrible post. Economics departments are not there to enforce a certain ideology on someone, but to teach how to think in an economical sense.</p>
<p>The best way to put it is that economics is a descriptive science, not a prescriptive science, meaning that it aims to describe the world as it is, not tell others how it ought to be.</p>
<p>The most amazing thing about this thread: only 30 posts, but 36,000+ views. Goodness.</p>
<p>Can anyone tell me about the University of Southern California’s undergrad economics program?</p>
<p>Can anyone tell me about the top undergrad economics program in Canada?</p>
<p>@h2o88h University of Toronto, Western Ontario, York</p>
<p>then the top schools are</p>
<p>Harvard
University of California, Berkeley
Yale
UChicago</p>
<p>Full list since 1969 here:
[Economics</a> Nobel prize by undergraduate institution connecting the dots](<a href=“http://imadahmed.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2012/02/06/economics-nobel-prize-by-undergraduate-institution/]Economics”>Economics Nobel prize by undergraduate institution – energy and a just transition)</p>
<p>Here’s a ranking by Nobel laureates graduated by undergrad institutions:
[Economics</a> Nobel prize by undergraduate institution connecting the dots](<a href=“http://imadahmed.■■■■■■■■■■■■■/2012/02/06/economics-nobel-prize-by-undergraduate-institution/]Economics”>Economics Nobel prize by undergraduate institution – energy and a just transition)</p>
<p>Now 55,000+ views for only 37 posts…this must be popping up on Google.</p>
<p>What do you think Michigan State University would be ranked for undergraduate economics? I know that they were ranked around top 30 graduate programs by US News a while back.</p>
<p>I get the list of the best, thank you all…Nobel winners. LAC’s, etc, top 15 research or 40 cluding Rochester. Guessing that a ugrad at MIT, Harvard, CAL (Berkeley), is not going to get within speaking or writing distance to have anycontact with the famous. One can hope that the Nobel winner has caused the rock-goup groupie phonomena and bright minds have flocked in residence to be near, hope something rolls off.</p>
<p>I say, much better off to be at Williams, Swarthmore. Don’t know why Claremont Mckenna CMC, gets these big ratings. they got busted two years ago for score inflation and rank inflation on their admits.</p>
<p>My son is a senior in high school and wrapping up his fourth semester of multivariable diff calc, fall and multivariable integral calc spring and doubeld up with Linear Algebra this spring: this is all the math to get the highest UGrad diploma at Princeton. CMC only requires Calc One to get their Econ degree, their graduates endupmostly at local LA pulbic policy jobs, the LA water district, etc, even tho they have their DC experience. Iwrote a CMC Econ prof about this last year, and he got a little defensive and quoted sarcastic calling math Econ at this level, “math quants and CMC isn’t into this”.</p>
<p>YOu know, MD;s don’t need calculus to get through biochem or biol, but it’s nice toknow your doctor made it through calc - his brain can go there if need be. I feel the same with what higher level math says about a persons’ reasoning skills.</p>
<p>CMC off the desired list. I noticed UCSanDiego is not on the lists but in some areas is with UCLA and above UCBerkeley(CAL), internationally UCSD is rated 17th. It is my son’s number one school: a great program, great IR, great history, great Mandarin, on his college for Policy, Revelle, is ON THE BEACH, literally. Coming from Nevada highdesert and born on Oahu and surfs CA when he can and likes it these days more than skiing - he’s an expert, guess which school wins hands down for him. And their Ugrad admissions people are NICE and personable and one doesn’t feel like a faceless number like at CAL.
On the other hand, one cannot beat the kindness, welcoming helpfulness he’s found at Williams, Swarthmore, Dartmouth, Middlebury, Pomona, Carleton, Princeton, and Washington U St Louis. By the way, Princeton is actually number one on his list right up there with Washington U ST Louis. BECAUSE we are POOR and these two colleges are unreal with rolling out the red carpet for the poor. NO CSS fees - theykindly cut this moneymaker collegeboard loop out for everyone, by creating their own. as did Rensselaer in Troy NY and my son loves that Rennselaer didn’t require an essay but finally realized he there’s nothing there for him to major he’s intersted. Harvey Mudd Claremont Colleges got left off the lists and they are up in caliber in engineering with CIT and MIT, but i guess the great Econ at Claremeont is Pomona NOT CMC. BTW, Williams and Middlebury have been so kind to us, gave a fee waiver for CSS when it’s unheard of, and no one I guess ever asks. We did cause it says to ask the finaid departtments for one or counselor - left IB for college dual credit so no counselor with a code forus. Write the colleges and they write back that they don’t give these, Collegeboard willautomatically - this is what collegeboard falsely circulates. No one is poorer than me to be ahving a kid applying to top 20 schools: free and reduced lunch qualify his whole life. No auto fee waiver.</p>
<p>Amherst and Columbia and Rice were not nice. Columbia and Amherst spout, “we only give CSS Fee Waivers to international students” and Rice Admin and FinAid thought it a good opportunity to lecture me on the overhead involved for colleges to solicit and pick students for their schools…<br>
Amherst is still wonderful ugrad Amherst so his app is still active, but I told Columbia and Rice to void my son’s apps. they had no problem with this and didn’t bringup the HIPPA bull about “only he can do this since he’s turned 18 recently”. They know full on if I don’t do the CSS, there is no app.</p>
<p>i digress, but it’s sort of economic. hardy har har</p>
<p>at least grad school’s econ department is ranked…and I do not think the undergrad of each school will deviate that much from its grad counterpart</p>
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