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<p>well like I first said at the beginning of this thread, my mother makes less than 13k a year, and if thats not considered Disadvantaged then I have no idea what is.</p>

<p>It just so happens im hispanic.. which im not complaining.</p>

<p>And yes 50 years ago we were all given the same 'awful' treatment, but unfortunately as a whole the black and hispanic community didnt do as well as asians and whites.</p>

<p>Im just here asking for advice (like everyone else), and I do expect to find a few arrogant people.</p>

<p>Its all good</p>

<p>cya</p>

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<p>Hey Shard buddy,</p>

<p>I forgive you for your ignorance. I can only say: Get help dude (or dudette) - you need it! I stand my ground when I say you need to live; you need to meet people; you need to experience life in a much different way than you have. You're a sheltered brat who wouldn't know an African American from a Hispanic American or even from and Asian American for that matter. I'm not going to let your complete and utter ignorance put me down. I'm very proud to be gay. Yes, I do have some issues about it considering I'm also a devout Roman Catholic, but I am not ashamed of my identity (and never will be, no matter how much people like you try to make me). You can keep putting me down all you like - it's not going to affect me. Just stop putting down everyone else on the thread. I feel a bond to some of the people on this thread (primarily the ones you've insulted). It isn't right for you to be so racist; so ignorant; so full of hatred. What you said to JimmyShi was unwarranted! You lack all compassion in your stubborness about ABeautifulMistake's hooks! And you lack all respect when you call gay people "a kind." Please re-evaluate your biases, seek some help, and try to have a more positive outlook on life. Don't be so cynical! I'm sure you can set up an appointment with your school psychologist. If not, I would recommend looking in your local area for some professional help! Don't worry about letting your parents know. I'm sure they would appreciate that you get help now while you're under their care rather than them sending out an extremist/a supremacist into the world. Think about it, please!</p>

<p>As for everyone else, I apologize (although I shouldn't have to) for the arrogance and ignorance that you've seen from a few people on this thread. It's the holiday season, and feelings of incompetence and worthlessness are not conducive to the cheerfulness of the holiday season. I know the last thing I want to feel is "less-than-human" or part of some strange "kind" this Christmas season.</p>

<p>Happy holidays to all! :)</p>

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<p>The last thing we need in this world is hate. Ugh. I see it on these threads all of the time. Like dissing gays, or dissing a person's choice of hooks (dear god!), yelling at someone for trying too hard, yelling at someone for trying to little. Or even, laughing at an SAT score that's below a 2000. What is the point? What is anyone accomplishing by making OPs or other posters feel terrible about themselves? CCers may all be geniuses, but many certainly lack any sort of decency. So what if it's the internet. It's still interaction. I had a thread awhile ago, entitled "I'm falling apart." I was going through a bad transition from sports to catching up on my tough schoolwork and I was getting sick, and I just wanted to know how others dealt with their stress successfully. Among the good, I got some of the meanest comments. I ended up feeling a million times worse, just because of these random posters who know nothing about me other than I'm struggling. </p>

<p>It's time to get off the high thrones of intelligence solidified by your ECs, 2400s, and 4.0 GPAs. When people ask a question in a thread, how about giving them advice instead of bashing them for their disadvantages. I don't know if that's how these people really are beyond CC, but I worry.</p>

<p>I'm sorry. I just had an assembly with a speaker - I forget his name - he was a survivor of the holocaust. I've never been so affected by a holocaust speaker ever in my life, and well, the hate needs to end.</p>

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<p>Agreed!
=)</p>

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<p>completely true, peachykeen. Saw your thread and your school sounds really hard! Hope everything is going okay for you.</p>

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<p>thank you! Yes, everything's a lot better. I'm relatively caught up in my classes and, right now, most of my teachers are in the holiday spirit. Actually just one. I have three tests tomorrow, lol.</p>

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<p>
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and you all always seem to go to extremes</p>

<p>A disadvantaged hispanic or black is a lot more appealing than a rich asian or white kid.</p>

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<li><p>its possible to not consider oneself disadvantaged, but not at all be rich</p></li>
<li><p>that was the most racist remark so far. You're insinuating that blacks and hispanics are immediately = to disadvantaged. And miraculously asians = rich. Well, I'm pretty sure both were given the same awful treatment 50 years ago, but somehow only blacks/hispanics are some how at a "disadvantage." We all have our disadvantages, doesn't matter what your ethnicity is.

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<p>I think that is quite unfair to consider me a "racist" because I am just telling you what most people on this site already know with the admissions process and URMs. I was in no way insinuating that "all white kids and asians are rich" or all "blacks and hispanics are poor", I was giving an extreme scenario in which UC's will take the disadvantaged URM over the well off non URM. I think everyone knows this but many are just afraid to say it. </p>

<p>And while the impovershed are not always "disadvantaged" they certainly are a lot more disadvantaged than kids that have parents that are investment bankers for a big firm in NYC. The poor generally dont get the same opportunities or as many opportunities as the wealthy kids. I would say this is usually the case. </p>

<p>The fact that the OP's mother was only 14 when she had him and makes close to minimum wage and that he has had to work hard in school and at work to support his family makes that a hook. </p>

<p>There are just not that many kids that make it out of that situation and attend an HYPMS, its sad but true. </p>

<p>And many Asians(at least the ones in my area) are really wealthy, and their families immigrated here 20 years ago. I realize that there are many poor asian people in this country and the stereotypes are unfair to them. But again, we are talking about the college admissions process here and asian people are not URM's.</p>

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<p>im sorry but 14 K a year cant support 1 person, nevertheless a family. Im sure the money helped support his family or himself. </p>

<p>As for your references to homosexuals, that is completely uncalled for and it just shows your ignorance.</p>

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<p>Uhhhh, I think we are all kind of overreacting. Shard...I agree, being Hispanic/gay/female/whatever in and of themselves really ought not to give anyone a leg up in the process. That's where I'm totally in agreement with you. What I do think is relevant is socioeconomic background...poorer people (no matter their race) ought to be given special consideration because low income means they cannot afford a top notch school, they can't afford prep, they don't live such comfortable lives, etc etc. And a difficult family life just adds to that. You just can't compare on the same level a poor person living in a bad neighborhood to a rich person with a comfortable middle-class background. Working a job 40 hrs/wk, whether or not it supports the family, is something to admire. Doesn't matter if the person is white or Hispanic: that's an accomplishment. So stereotypes need never get involved.
I think we should stop railing on Shard. He/She doesn't seem like a true homophobe, just someone who sees it as unfair that being able to put down "gay" gives a person an advantage. And that's totally understandable. I just don't think anyone ever said they would use "gay" as some sort of inherent advantage.
And to Shard, I think what the OP meant by mentioning his/her "gayness" was that it would make a good, interesting, unusual essay, not a reason for sympathy or praise in and of itself.</p>

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<p>Instead of constantly calling me ignorant, try showing some signs of intelligence by pointing out HOW I'm ignorant. That's like me going "o u guyz r so so stupid". Yeah, way to really get the point across buddy.</p>

<p>Yes, the money helped support the family to a VERY MINIMAL EXTENT. That's negligible, and you wouldn't use that as a pitch for "supporting your family". The only cases in which this could be considered a hook is if he held down a constant job throughout the year in order to support his family. They see you working two summers, and they're really not going to consider it a big factor. Also, his mom probably got some welfare.</p>

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<p>
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Instead of constantly calling me ignorant, try showing some signs of intelligence by pointing out HOW I'm ignorant. That's like me going "o u guyz r so so stupid". Yeah, way to really get the point across buddy.

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<p>"...That's all I really have to say. Being Hispanic, homosexual, and poor are not hooks. They're things you're born into. Go outside more."</p>

<p>Ignorance. Most people in a situation like that do not generally succeed in life. Just take a sociology course and you would understand that. His ability to overcome an obstacle is a fantastic hook, great essay material </p>

<p>"...Oh, and gay people are a "kind", because they make themselves one when they try to act like they are a special group that should receive excess attention and care from society."</p>

<p>Im not really sure what this is supposed to mean. But again its an unfair generalization and a sign of ignorance. The OP said nothing about using his homosexuality as a hook, he merely mentioned it(in many cases he could get scholarship money from certain organizations because of it though). Somehow you automatically assumed that is what he was talking about and then proceeded to rant about some unfair stereotype about gay people. </p>

<p>And I would like you to know that the suicide rate for gay people is the highest out of any minority group in this country. It isnt necessarily easy if one is in the wrong environment. </p>

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Yes, the money helped support the family to a VERY MINIMAL EXTENT. That's negligible, and you wouldn't use that as a pitch for "supporting your family". The only cases in which this could be considered a hook is if he held down a constant job throughout the year in order to support his family. They see you working two summers, and they're really not going to consider it a big factor. Also, his mom probably got some welfare

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<p>Who are you to say that? 40 hours a week in the summer is very honorable and could help out a struggling mother with many things. Welfare checks are minimal and it covers basic necessities at best. While you are spending your summers at Harvard summer school or some out of country community service trip, this kid is busting his ass to either A) help his mother out or B) help himself ensure a better future(college money), both are very honorable and could be considered with for a hook. </p>

<p>Whether you like it or not, being hispanic DOES factor into a hook because he is a URM. Get that through your head, college admins will in most cases consider a URM first over someone with equal or even better stats that is not a URM. All of these socioeconomic factors just help the OP that much more.</p>

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<p>Hey hey I'm not gay, APDolittle is.. not that I have anything against gay people :)
Just clearing up the facts</p>

<p>As far as my summer work goes.. Yes my 9th grade summer I did an Internship at Rice University (I was only 15, not yet 16)</p>

<p>But.. I couldnt really follow up on my interests because I needed to help at home.. so the next summer (finally 16) I found myself working side by side with my mom at a property tax office... doing the same thing she did.. and making the same amount of money</p>

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<p>
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"Ignorance. Most people in a situation like that do not generally succeed in life. Just take a sociology course and you would understand that. His ability to overcome an obstacle is a fantastic hook, great essay material"

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<p>Homosexuals don't tend to succeed in life? Hispanics don't tend to succeed? Now who's being ignorant? Poor people don't tend to succeed, but he has not "overcome" anything yet, or provided any indication that he has besides staying alive long enough to apply to colleges, which is not a hook.</p>

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"Im not really sure what this is supposed to mean. But again its an unfair generalization and a sign of ignorance. The OP said nothing about using his homosexuality as a hook, he merely mentioned it(in many cases he could get scholarship money from certain organizations because of it though). Somehow you automatically assumed that is what he was talking about and then proceeded to rant about some unfair stereotype about gay people. </p>

<p>And I would like you to know that the suicide rate for gay people is the highest out of any minority group in this country. It isnt necessarily easy if one is in the wrong environment."

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<p>More senseless tossing out of the word "ignorance". The first person who brought it up (APdoolittle) was not the only person who has mentioned "if they should include being gay in the app" on these forums, as if the question even NEEDS to be asked to begin with. Considering the ENTIRE thread is about rating hooks, and that APdoolittle himself said and I quote "Does being gay count as a hook (if I wrote about my homosexuality in my essays)?" you're going to go off telling me he's NOT trying to use it as a hook? Got to quote you on this one, "ignorant".</p>

<p>Also, no need to include meaningless statistics. Yeah, let's go tell the ivy's, "a lot of gay people commit suicide and this applicant is gay. he is now an empowered SURVIVOR!!11"</p>

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"Who are you to say that? 40 hours a week in the summer is very honorable and could help out a struggling mother with many things. Welfare checks are minimal and it covers basic necessities at best. While you are spending your summers at Harvard summer school or some out of country community service trip, this kid is busting his ass to either A) help his mother out or B) help himself ensure a better future(college money), both are very honorable and could be considered with for a hook. "

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<p>40 hours a week over the summer is a negligible amount of money, period, no matter how you try to pitch it. 16+ years living, he works two summers, and suddenly he is "supporting the family"? That's the kind of b.s. colleges see right through. Being poor and then working a little is not very honorable or a hook. Holding down a full time job, while attending school, while being poor would be considered honorable and a hook. </p>

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"Whether you like it or not, being hispanic DOES factor into a hook because he is a URM. Get that through your head, college admins will in most cases consider a URM first over someone with equal or even better stats that is not a URM. All of these socioeconomic factors just help the OP that much more."

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<p>Congratulations on completely missing out my original comment "5/10 just because you're Hispanic", and as I later elaborated, affirmative action would work in his favor. Read my posts before you run your mouth with these stupid posts.</p>

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<p>Jeez I'm not gay, get it straight.</p>

<p>And your right Shard - working two months is nothing compared to my mom who has worked since she was 14 making minimum wage - (now about 9$? - I dont know)</p>

<p>Im not trying to catch the colleges 'attention' by saying that I worked LONG HARD HOURS... comon now, too melodramatic..</p>

<p>I only listed it as a "summer activity"</p>

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<p>And I'm not talking directly to you on that subject. I rated your hook, people went NO WAYSZ HE IS SO SUPPORTING HIS FAMILY!!11, and I responded to them. I just hope you realize that the only thing that resembles a hook from what you've posted is the fact you are Hispanic, and only because of affirmative action.</p>

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<p>hmm
so not knowing who my birth father was... actually thinking one person was for 5 years and finding out he wasnt.... then taking up an additional 4-5 years trying to figure out who it was until I ultimately did... and he turned out to be not so good..</p>

<p>while still dealing with the destitution within my ghetto damn community + the drugs + the fights</p>

<p>(Now dont get me wrong, this didnt happen every passing minute.. but it did happen quite often.)</p>

<p>these are not considered a hook?
Oh I'm not sure if it was you, but someone said I havent really overcome anything?</p>

<p>wth is that?</p>

<p>oh boy.</p>

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<p>Not knowing who your birth father is, too bad. Going to find your real one, slightly better but that sort of a thing doesn't drastically change your life or make you a super better person as a result of it. </p>

<p>And again, poor environment, too bad. It doesn't guarantee you have overcome anything in the eyes of admissions, don't be so simplistic. Also, everyone knows poor people have all the crappy drugs anyway.</p>

<p>You seem like you're more stating that I HAVE SO SO MANY HOOKS as opposed to asking for input. Your edge hook-wise is your ethnicity, that is it, deal with it.</p>

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<p>fair enough..
I asked for input at the very beginning of the thread
and look how that turned out
Right?</p>

<p>lol and for the record man, your incredibly insensitive.. goodluck with life</p>

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<p>Yes, those members here who have not yet undergone the process of puberty (yourself included) became extremely upset when I told you the facts. I am not insensitive, I am honest. If I was insensitive, I would put things more bluntly, such as "the only way you're getting in a good school is because you are Hispanic".</p>

<p>One of the easiest ways to tell how successful someone will generally be is how well they take criticism. I suppose you inhereted the genes of lacking acceptance of criticism from your mother, who is (no surprise here), unsuccessful.</p>

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<p>lol!</p>

<p>take your elementary insults somewhere else</p>

<p>peace</p>