<p>@eyemgh, I agree with you. Even pursuing medical school beyond BS, it would be a half million dollar worth. Although my kid didn’t get PPSP, 30K/yr scholarship was given with RD acceptance. But I need to pay ~30K/yr or more which is a little bit higher than my financial comfortable amount. My kid is waiting for other colleges’ decision.</p>
<p>Weatherhead school of mgt is very good:
<a href=“http://weatherhead.case.edu/about/rankings”>http://weatherhead.case.edu/about/rankings</a></p>
<p>@eyemgh, agree with you on paying for college, but disagree that anyone else is at the level of Case on the Case Syndrome (formerly Tufts Syndrome). Offering a ZERO dollar application fee to get more applicants and then waitlisting many of the high-end students is far beyond what Wash U has done.</p>
<p>@eyemgh stated, “I personally don’t believe ANY undergraduate education is worth 1/4 of a million dollars.”</p>
<p>The schools know that as well. It is no accident that the tuition rose when the government started guaranteeing and handing out loans. The price did not rise because of market demand; it rose because of income redistribution policies of taxpayers paying for students via unsecured loans - students who are lulled into thinking the loans are no big deal. However, I do think the students have wised up to that a good bit.</p>
<p>@Daddio3, Vandy has been sending my son stuff since he was in 9th grade! He received multiple offers for to apply for free, including Rice (which he didn’t apply…Houston…yuk!)</p>
<p>He was accepted into RPI on a free app, so I know they offer them. Last year they wait listed 3600 and offered acceptance to…12. Notre Dame…1500 wait listed…accepted off the list…ZERO! </p>
<p>Right now, there are more egregious than Wash U, but they don’t have to be anymore. They created the paradigm that everyone has followed. BTW, want to know their wait list stats? Me too, but they don’t release them.</p>
<p>Tufts Syndrome is different. They were already well known, just viewed as an Ivy safety. They didn’t spam people to apply. They already were. They rejected top applicants to make their yield more predictable. Now schools are encouraging students to apply (my son got letters from all the top institutions including every Ivy) just so they can reject them. Even if the app isn’t free, it gives them hope. It’s cynical, but it’s the way it is. </p>
<p>Thanks USNWR!</p>
<p>Fair enough. The one we kept seeing mail from was U Chicago, but Case was the only free one sent to my son (though a couple others were free due to HS awards). Yours probably had better stats, but my son’s were strong enough not to be waitlisted at Case. Having said that, he wasn’t going anyways, so maybe they can tell :-)</p>
<p>My son won’t be going to Case either, although we did visit after he was accepted and found that both Case and Cleveland exceeded our expectations. In the end, he decided against leaving the west.</p>
<p>BTW, his stats were very solid, but he hasn’t cured cancer (yet) and didn’t score a 2400. Most schools likely have a litmus test to mail stuff, maybe an SAT threshold, or a 5 on an AP, not sure.</p>
<p>Got lots from Chicago, just not as early. I think Penn was a frequent flyer too. They all blend together now. I wish he would have kept them all. It would have made an interesting tribute to the new absurdity.</p>
<p>Back in the day, I got 1, Rose-Hulman. ;-)</p>
<p>@eyemgh, We did keep all of my son’s college mail (12 months worth) just for fun to see how high the stack would end up being. It was about 2 ft high in the end. Recycled it all yesterday. Very therapeutic. Our frequent flyers were definitely Case, WUSTL, Chicago, and Oklahoma. </p>
<p>If Case’s goal is only to increase yield, thereby making it appear that they are more selective, then they are doing a bang up job with their marketing mail and spam. However, if they are truly looking for “best fit” I think a simple solution would be to charge a nominal application fee and add an additional essay. The high achievers who are taxed with multiple essays already might think twice about making Case et al. their “safeties.”</p>
<p>There were several schools my son was on the fence about applying to and in the end how much extra writing he would have to do played a part in who made the cut. In hindsight I wish he would have applied to a few more schools, but there was only so much time in the day to squeeze in all the app’s, essays, homework, ec’s and jobs.</p>
<p>The college app process has been enlightening to say the least, but I wish there was more transparency in the process so students could make better decisions on where to expend their efforts. For example, if my son would have known the chance of him being admitted to Case’s PPSP was less than 1% he wouldn’t have bothered and he could have just applied EA to Case.</p>
<p>@AnnikaH - I definitely agree with you that Case should add an application fee and or a supplemental essay. It is just too easy to check the box to apply and then assume their high stats guarantee admittance. I understand the “maybe we would have considered Case if the $$ was right” mentality but I don’t get the “he wasn’t going anyways” mentality… I must be missing something…why then apply?</p>
<p>University of Chicago saw a massive increase in application a few years ago, after they blanketed the country with flyers. CASE sent flyers to people who they wanted to apply, and then deferred them when they did apply.</p>
<p>What’s great that is going on in our house…my very high stats senior d who had visited, interviewed and wrote essays for scholarships was waitlisted. And now my sophomore d has received several pieces of mail from Case. Ha ha, she won’t be applying.</p>
<p>@Sdgal, I don’t understand either why someone would apply to a school that they have no intention of going to. Even if a school is considered a “safety” by a high achieving kid I would think they at least saw something in it of merit to make that choice and be willing to go there if other ones don’t pan out financially or from an acceptance standpoint. </p>
<p>Of course there are a lot of kids going through this process with little to no guidance from parents or a school counselor. I feel for these kids as I was one of them many moons ago! </p>
<p>Another idea is that a lot of these high achieving kids are looking for a peer group that they have never had in high school. They are realistic enough (thankfully!) to realize they might not get into the top-tier schools and looked at Case as a “safety” from the standpoint that at least they would finally have a peer group they can relate to. </p>
<p>@stloumom, nice move. Ironic, no? We have 2 Ds applying now and when there is any rejection coming our way, a text gets sent around our family that is ummmm, well not for public viewing, but we all get a laugh. My Ds put their hearts into all those applications and it’s therapuetic for us to vent for a second. The good news is that if the net is cast widely enough, you have lots of good news coming in too.</p>
<p>Accepted with 25k merit scholarship. Yet to hear on FAFSA need-based aid. Accepted to 2 safties (UMD, Wisconsin) and waiting to hear on 2 matches and 4 reaches. :-S </p>
<p>@3tallblonds agree wholeheartedly! She is accepted at UChicago EA and WUSTL so great things on the horizon. But we did consider Case as a serious contender. Thanks for the note.</p>
<p>@AnnikaH first, Case is known for generous merit, so the kids were applying for a shot at the big merit. Second, Case pounded the high-end kids with emails and postal mail telling them to apply. Turn your question around – why would the school spend all that money marketing to those strong kids if they were going to turn around and waitlist many of them and accept weaker students. The thing I think is dumb on their part, is they can’t tell the wheat from the chaff. I have seen posts (and know one example personally) of a 2350+ SAT NMF kid who actually wanted to go there and got waitlisted. I also saw a post of someone whose strong kid got waitlisted, so kid #2 won’t even get to apply. You think that won’t get around schools?</p>
<p>So why exactly should higher scores mean CASE should want your sons or daughters ?
Maybe Case stresses other factors!! Kind of arrogant,maybe thats why you were rejected?</p>
<p>Students with all As and 800s may not have enough HEART for CWRU </p>
<p>@Daddio3, I agree with your post whole-heartedly. My son experienced exactly what you are describing. Ridiculous amounts of mail and emails. He was very encouraged by Case to apply and we had read the merit was generous so he applied. Very high stats and waitlisted. Case was never considered a “safety” by us. It was considered a viable option and that is why it was put on the application list. The amount of recruiting by Case deceived us into believing they really wanted him and thought he would be competitive at Case. </p>
<p>That is the crux of this whole issue. Heavy marketing then waitlisted. If a highly selective school sent you one piece of mail asking you to consider applying and then you were rejected, you would deal with it and move on because they hadn’t really encouraged you in the first place. I think Case’s marketing tactics will work for a while, but eventually word will spread and their image will suffer as a result of this.</p>
<p>I agree, @Annika. The marketing to my waitlisted girls was ridiculous. Oh well.</p>