<p>Chai, what's ur ethnicity?</p>
<p>Chai,</p>
<p>Your post was pretty informative, but I think a few things need clearing up.</p>
<p>"The cut off for CAS SAT scores was around 1360. Students accepted to GSP have scores ranging from 1200-1350." </p>
<p>Regarding Lily's question and cut-offs, NYU does not use test score cut-offs (state schools may do that though), they never have, like all prestigious private schools, NYU looks at your app. as a whole (grades, test scores, ec's, reccs. esssay, many other factors). As far as the "cut-off" for CAS being 1360, it depends on how you look at it. I'm sure there are people like URM's, children of alumni, athletes, people from ceartain geographic areas, etc. who got in w/scores lower than 1360. I believe what the person Chai talked to was trying to say is to think of the 1360 as the lower end of a mid 50% range of SAT scores, and yes its probably what a normal applicant who lacks any of the aforementioned distinctions would need at the very least, but in no sense is it some type of strict cut off. </p>
<p>Basically the rep. was right on there being no major differences and the similar liberal arts requirements that exist. One thing though is that CAS and NYU's other 4 year schools have the MAP program, while GSP has its core. The MAP classes in general tend to be taught by profs. that much more top notch than those who teach the gsp classes, but I guess this is not a major thing if you'll eventually be in the NYU school you originally applied to. </p>
<p>The question was "Why does this program exist? Why not accept an additional 750 students to CAS?"</p>
<p>Here is where the rep. was a little too PC in my opinion. Let me give what I think is the true answer..this is my opinion, not NYU's, but it more directly addresses the issue than the stump speech type thing you got from the rep. First off, most but not all gsp students oringally applied to CAS, you'll find gsp people transferring to every school at NYU. </p>
<p>One of the reasons the program exists is to make money, as un PC as this may sound, its true. However, NYU certainly isn't the only reputable school with a program like this, but NYU understands that there exist those who will pay the money for the NYU name, even if its gsp...so its a pretty smart idea on NYU's part. </p>
<p>Furthermore, accepting the extra people into the regular NYU schools instead of gsp would increase class sizes freshmen year in the core MAP classes (one of the really great things about NYU is that its large private school, but is still able to offer relatively small classes). However, by the time they accept gsp transfers into regular NYU schools by junior year, people are done with the core classes and dispersed into departmental major classes, where class size is small anyway (since not everyone majors in the same thing), so a few extra people won't really upset the balance. </p>
<p>I hope this addresses some of the issues presented here. Good luck to all.</p>
<p>"The cut off for CAS SAT scores was around 1360."</p>
<p>oh my. I really hope my non-existent letter of acceptance to GS means I somehow got into CAS with my 1300. :O</p>
<p>Then again, maybe my letter is still in the mail, since I'm from Cali.</p>
<p>Just when I thought I didn't have to worry about NYU until April, I find out that I could hear back any day now! AHH.</p>
<p>If you didn't get into GSP, you won't hear from NYU until around late March/April when the rest of the RD candidates do.</p>
<p>jwblue, does that mean that people with higher stats (no offense meant to anyone) will be likely accepted RD? Would they reject someone with great stats and ECs RD and not offer them the GSP?</p>
<p>"does that mean that people with higher stats (no offense meant to anyone) will be likely accepted RD?" </p>
<p>-No it does not mean that at all. You can't make assumptions that just because you had higher stats than someone who was accepted to GSP, that you will be accepted RD...it frankly does not work that way. </p>
<p>"Would they reject someone with great stats and ECs RD and not offer them the GSP?"</p>
<p>-Yes, absolutely...they do and they will. NYU is selective in 2 ways...in the that they have a high number of applications (over 35,000 this year) and a low acceptance rate; and also that NYU gets many more qualified applicants with great stats. than there are seats available. People with great stats. get rejected from NYU all the time.</p>
<p>So how do they decide who to offer the GSP option to?</p>
<p>Lily,</p>
<p>Who gets an invite to GSP depends on a variety of factors. The average stats of GSP are lower than the rest of NYU and GSP students are not as competitive as the rest of the students, that much is known. However, obviously whoever is offerred a spot in GSP is wanted by NYU for some reason...some might be URM's, some might children of alumni, some might be talented athletes or artists, some may have made the smart decision to apply ED over RD, some might show potential to be an academic superstar (high SAT but low grades or vice versa)--but all have got something going for them that makes NYU want them in the first place.</p>
<p>JWB: you're right when you state that kids with higher than GSP stats are oftimes not admitted to NYU. GSP is primarily for liberal arts focused students with very strong potential--AdCon said they were looking for "something special" in that 5-8%. You're right when you mentioned that GSP makes $$ for NYU but so does every other NYU college---it is one of the top ten most expensive schools in the US. Here's where I think the thread is off base: My GSP D was accepted to U-Mich (among others) and her GSP friend was accepted to Vassar. NYC is their first love and NYU GSP was (we thought) the "compromise." As I said before there are plenty of GSP people who rival or surpass the academic stats of NYU seniors and juniors; ED folks; legacies and yes the admission stats of certain NYU colleges that shall go unnamed. None of this matters unless you're obsessed with stats and stats will do nothing for your life when you get out. That said, I have to tell all the GSP prospects out there that this is a fantastic program with some amazing profs and classes that will knock you out. As I stated before, NYU's GSP problem is more one of positioning and marketing than anything else. Bottom line: GSP has very strong students; 2nd largest undergrad group; dedicated profs; smaller classes; Florence estate; CAS classes right from freshman year if you ask for them: math, language, etc. And more CAS classes in soph year. So right from the start you can work with your CAS counterparts. If you like NYC and NYU and want to go there and you're thinking about GSP: Don't worry Be Happy.</p>
<p>Thank you for your great information. I'm not sure what I will decide. I have been offered scholarships at other schools - blah blah. I don't know why I was offered this option. My passion is writing, so I selected the journalism major in CAS. I also am very involved in music both instumentally and vocally, very involved in leadership in school and out. I am on the board of a very large community services org-many ec's-national honor society- 720 verbal sat, 620 math- 710 writing. I have to say that it infuriates me when I read that people feel that this program is inferior. I have been accepted already at one of the best communication programs at one of the best schools around.</p>
<p>is there a lot of GSP stigma on campus?? do the regular students think the gsp students are the 'stupid' kids or anything like that?</p>
<p>I am just trying to make a point that GSP is not a bad thing, and that those who are accepted should be proud of their acheivements.</p>
<p>Yup, there are folks out there who have amazingly strong opinions based on zero information. They must be taking their cue from our President. Iraq is the only place to take a stand against terrorism; and GSP is a continuation of high school. The guy who said that might be our next president. He forgot one thing: According to the Admis Office: This is the most highly qualified group of students to ever attend this U. Anyone who goes to NYU these days is incredibly qualified to go to NYU these days. I know; I have another guest lecture there coming up in March. Good luck to all.</p>
<p>Thank You, NYUGSPDAD for all your information. I can't say all I would like to say on this post, but I agree with you about Bush, as well as the idiot who said that GSP is like an extension of HS.</p>
<p>GSPDad, I pretty much agreed with your post....but just note that kids from GSP for the most part originally applied to CAS, just not all of them. GSP students have transferred into all of NYU's schools. </p>
<p>You also said:
"You're right when you mentioned that GSP makes $$ for NYU but so does every other NYU college---it is one of the top ten most expensive schools in the US."</p>
<p>Yes, you are correct, but what I was getting at is that GSP tends to give out much less in scholarships and merit aid than the other NYU schools. </p>
<p>Someone asked:
"is there a lot of GSP stigma on campus?? do the regular students think the gsp students are the 'stupid' kids or anything like that?"</p>
<p>Like I said, you may the victim of some ruthless mocking from CAS or Stern friends....but look its not mean spirited, and its more just good natured ribbing among friends....I'm sure kids from some of the schools at Cornell and Penn go through the same thing. </p>
<p>Obviously, gsp kids aren't stupid, since they are far more intelligent than the national average and likely got into some other great colleges...its just all relative compared to the rest of NYU. I very highly doubt anyone would not be your friend just because you're in gsp...so its not a big deal. </p>
<p>I think Bush rocks....so lets not turn this thread into politics now.</p>
<p>jwblue, What were your stats when you applied to NYU years ago? Just to make a point, mine were above the average stats posted by NYU last april at their information session. The point is that it is all supply and demand.</p>
<p>I had 1350 (this is before the test was recentered, so its closer to a 1450 in today's scores). I have no clue about my rank/gpa, I went to a top boarding school, we didn't rank, but my grades were generally good. I was also a legacy (my dad went to NYU), and was a varsity athlete (I played soccer).</p>
<p>I think part of the problem of trying to figure out how and why some students are chosen and others aren't, is that this process is not a science. There are always going to be anomolies in the decisions and some students with higher stats are going to be rejected while some with lower stats will be accepted. This will happen in any and every college. Another thing that applicants have to keep in mind is that, while yes there are average stats available for current NYU students, having those same stats is not a guarantee that you will be admitted. As has been said elsewhere, there are qualified students every year who are not accepted.</p>
<p>Thanks for sharing, I don't mean to challenge you. It just seems like it is harder to get into NYU this year than other years. I hate to downgrade the people who were admittted this year into GSP</p>
<p>I found out that I got into GSP today too.
Here are my stats:</p>
<p>1310 SAT(660M,650V)
720 US History, 700 Math 1c, 650 Writing
3.8 UW GPA</p>
<p>I seriously don't know about this program though, sounds a bit sketchy. The fact that my course schedule is already outlined for me is a bit intimidating, since it's basically another 2 years of high school and a smack in your face.
Congratulations to anyone else who got in.</p>