<p>Some jobs will require you to show the actual SS card. A friend of mine had to FedEx card to her college kid to secure a job.</p>
<p>Marian that's against the law. The employee has the option of providing whatever documents they choose off the lists, and the employer HAS to accept them. Most employees give a SS card and drivers license, OR a passport, but the employee can use the other documents if they choose. </p>
<p>And the employer is supposed to look at the actual document, NOT a photocopy. When I hire someone I always tell them they have to bring me the original document. I would not accept a photocopy.</p>
<h1>2 - yes, employment. My D. did not have a job first year, she did not need SS card with her. She took it this year because she was reguired to show it to her employer along with Driver license.</h1>
<p>Employers are entitled to ask for the ORIGINAL social security upon commencing employment. Read the back of the card.
My school district will not enter any individual into the payroll without and valid Social Security card. We do not accept copies - we make the copy here. We do not trust employees to tell us the correct SS number.</p>
<p>For an I-9 - the law does require original documents to be submitted to the employer, not copies. But you don't need the SS card for an I-9 if you have other documents.</p>
<p>Neither has anything to do with the patriot act. The I-9 has been around longer than the patriot act and provides the employer assurance that you are legally entitled to work in this country.
For payroll, submitting the SS Card is to make happiness with the IRS.</p>
<p>I know I'm not a parent, but I'm leaving today, and still, should I bring the card or not? For some people copies were okay, for other they weren't, some people didn't need to use them. Should I just not bring the card, but if my employer wants it my mom will mail it? What do you think of that?</p>
<p>dchow, that seems safe. If you want to get a job, you may have to produce it, but your mom can always mail it. </p>
<p>But if you have a passport, I'd bring that and leave the SS card at home.</p>
<p>If you bring your passport, be sure to leave a copy of the main page with your photo & the passport number home with your folks in a safe place, just in case it's lost or stolen. It makes replacing the passport MUCH easier!</p>
<p>As was stated, some employers do require you to have your SS card while others just want the # & still others are satisfied with a copy of the front & back of the card. Replacing a lost or stolen card is a hassle + possible ID theft issues, so if you aren't sure you'll have a secure place to stash your card, xerox front & back & leave the card at home. Take good care of the xeroxed doc too.</p>
<p>Okay, thanks guys. I decided that I won't bring my passport, because it doesn't have my SS number on it. This is what I'll do: I won't bring the card or the copy, but if my employer wants, I can either have it mailed or faxed or something. Thanks again!</p>
<p>Just make sure Mom knows where they are :)</p>
<p>Son lost his passport. I still shudder about the possibilities with this as passports, drivers licenses, ss cards, birth certs and other official IDs are high premium items on the black market here. I know some families who have had tremendous problems with identity theft, and more than one young man who was jailed on things he did not do but because someone was using his lost drivers license.</p>
<p>It really truly depends on your kid. If you have a very responsible kid who can come up with a safe place to put such documents and will store them there, that's fine. When I went to college, I had ALL of my official documents with me, and was fine. But when you have kids like my older two who have lost wallets, cell phones, back packs, you name it, and could not find any papers, documents or items at any given time, you and he are asking for trouble, and you will get it. It's often enough that they have to keep track of wallet, keys, cell phone. My kids have lost ATM cards, wallets, cell phones, and have had to pay to replace their campus ids which are instrumental for everything at their schools. A kid like that should not have his social security card, until he needs it, and it can be expressed mailed with a self addressed stamped envelope for its return to home.</p>
<p>Once kid is on firmer footing with a more permanent home, the documents stand a chance of not being lost or stolen. Now S3 has a safe built into his closet at school, courtesy of residence life, and even though he is a careless sort, I would not mind sending him such documents since there is a specific place to put them, and he is very likely to be in that room all year. But there is no current need, so, the documents are here at home. </p>
<p>I recommend having your kids apply for a replacement ss card and birth certificate so that you have two official ones. That way if you give one set to your kids, you have another at home if they are misplaced or lost right when they need them.</p>
<p>Obviously not all kids have one, but if they do, how about the expired passport? Since they only last for five years, quite a few college students do have an expired passport, and it's supposed to be acceptable for proving eligibility to work.</p>
<p>dchowo8 wrote "... I won't bring my passport, because it doesn't have my SS number on it. This is what I'll do: I won't bring the card or the copy, but if my employer wants, I can either have it mailed or faxed or something. Thanks again!"</p>
<p>If you haven't read the whole list of documents that can be used to complete the I-9, you had better do so, and pick out a set to take with you to college, or YOU WILL NOT BE ABLE TO GET A JOB!!!! We are talking about Federal Law here. </p>
<p>I've worked in personnel. I've had to turn people down because they didn't have the right documents with them, or had no documents at all. I've had to look at every single one of the documents that they have brought, and I've had to determine to the best of my ability whether the documents were indeed genuine. And then, I've had to put my own personal signature (and my professional life) on a line attesting to the fact that I saw the documents and that I believed them to be real. That line is the very last one on the bottom of the I-9 form.</p>
<p>Lots of "older folks" have been working since back in the day before I-9s, or don't even remember filling them out, or have dealt with either lax or incompetent or crooked personnel officers. Do not expect to "get lucky" on the identification front.</p>
<p>My personal advice here? Memorize your SSN because you will need it for all kinds of stuff including your tax forms and opening bank accounts, etc. Take your US passport as ID and proof of work eligibility. After all, you also will need it on hand for all those cool fall break trips to Canada for skiing, and to the Caribbean at spring break!</p>
<p>Wishing you a good year with many successes!</p>
<p>Our son went to apply for a job tutoring. They require a state id or passport along with a social security card. We tried an expired passport and that didn't work. Getting the state id was a real pain. We had to go back to our home state and they wouldn't take his student ID because it was issued in another state. We were down to only one option each for the three forms of ID required.</p>
<p>I guess that all of this stuff is to prevent illegals from getting work but I was joking with someone that it is easier to make your own ID than it is to get one.</p>
<p>I ordered extra copies of Birth Certificate, one is safe one for kid one for me, Then she obtained a state ID. We put the SS back in the safe deposit box. I think she has what she need to get a job. (please:)) AND register to vote!</p>
<p>We're going to get him a new passport - it's good for ten years and it's the de facto national id card. I've found that showing a passport for id gets you through whatever you need to get through better than a drivers license. I recall my last flight - they selected a bunch of people with state-ids for additional screening and let me go straight through with my passport.</p>
<p>We got multiple copies of their Birth Certificates after they were born. It's better to have a few then it is to panic when you need it.</p>
<p>While we were at the DMV, there was an immigrant that had problems obtaining an ID for work. She was married but social security had her last-name hyphenated to her husband's name while another agency had her last name as her middle name. The DMV person could not resolve the difference. I can imagine how much paperwork and trips she will have to go through to get it resolved.</p>
<p>Most of these places are in-person or mail-only and you can wait in some pretty longs lines to get service only to be told that you need one more document or that your current documents aren't usable.</p>
<p>He got a 60-day temporary ID. I hope that's good enough. The real one comes in the mail within 60 days.</p>
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Despite the fact that the Patriot Act allows for the use of other documents, both of my kids have had employers who specifically asked for their Social Security cards along with their driver's licenses, rather than giving them the list of appropriate documents and letting them choose.
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<p>Employers can not cherry-pick which documents they wish to accept. It is illegal and even has a special term defining it - document abuse.</p>
<p>Or this one:</p>
<p>U.S</a>. IMMIGRATION: EMPLOYER SANCTIONS, Document Abuse, Anti-Discrimination</p>
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The employer's obligation
Section two of the I-9 must be completed and signed by every employer whether he employs thousands of employees or only one. The employer must ask each employee to document his identity and his eligibility to work. The back of the I-9 lists 12 documents that may be used to establish identity (List B), seven documents to establish employment eligibility (List C) and ten documents which establish both (List A).
The employer must physically examine each document presented by the employee to determine whether it appears to relate to the employee, appears to be genuine and is listed on the back of the I-9. However, the employer is not required to be a document expert. Section 274A(a)(3) of the Act merely requires that an employer make a good faith determination that a document is valid. </p>
<p>Employers must walk a very fine line in their examination of documents. An employer can only accept documents from the I-9 list, but may not specify which documents will be acceptable for employment verification. It is only when an employee presents documents not appearing on the list that the employer may ask for additional proof of identity and/or employment authorization. An employer who requests specific documents, such as a drivers license and a social security card, may be charged with document abuse and fined accordingly. </p>
<p>An employer must refrain from overzealous scrutiny of documents. The rejection of a questionable document which later proves to be genuine may result in a violation of the anti-discrimination provisions of IRCA. Also, pursuant to § 274B, an employer who singles out a particular nationality or ethnic group for a higher level of scrutiny will face sanctions under that provision. Citizens and noncitizens must be treated identically in completing the I-9.
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<p>Our state requires the SS card if you don't have your SSN on your driver's license (which is of course the smart thing to do in case it is stolen.) </p>
<p>So when I went to sign for my son's Learner's Permit, he had to present his SS/birth certificate, and along with my license, I had to present MY SS card to verify MY identity. Royal PITA.</p>
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Employers can not cherry-pick which documents they wish to accept. It is illegal and even has a special term defining it - document abuse.
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<p>For completion and verification of the I-9 - you are correct.</p>
<p>However, read the back of the social security card. It specifically says show it to your employer. Your employer MUST report your income to the SSA and make SSA deductions as well as the IRS.<br>
Employers CAN require a worker to present a valid SS card as a condition of employment - and they should.
You would be surprised how many people write the number down incorrectly or how many people use a name that is not idential to the name on their social security card - because of marriage/ divorce etc. All this comes back eventually to haunt you and your employer.</p>
<p>D's school said it would except an old (expired) passport so there is much less risk. That's what she took in addition to the driver's license.</p>
<p>I understand people want to protect their SS cards because of identity theft, but what actually happens if you lose it?</p>
<p>I'm a geezer, but we used to always carry our SS cards around in our wallets. I don't anymore, but my hub does.</p>