Rec'd First Rejection from NYC School

@bookwormsmom, recently someone told me so. I checked my SSS FA form and tada, there is list of all the schools, as a part of the form itself, that the form is submitted.

Click Print PFS and see page 2, “Subscriber Schools Selected.”

Curious if you tried for Hunter College High School or Stuy, Bronx Science or Brooklyn Tech?? Apologies if I missed this upstream.

In my son’s school’s application, they actually asked who he was applying to.

^^ but the login the schools use is different so I assume they do not share that information with all the schools.

oops – sorry, thought you were a NYC resident already!

I would hope in a multi-tenant application like FA that one tenant can not see the others.

@laenen, but the boxes are not big enough to list all the schools. Some schools only asked what schools we are considering. Some schools we applied before adding more so the list was shorter then. Some schools wanted to know only other TSAO schools we applied, etc, etc.

And regarding to the FA application, so would I. So would I.

@SculptorDad: So here is I guess where the SevenFamily diverges from many.

We have dear friends (god parents of our daughters) who are Exonians. They are among the smartest people I have ever met. So, first time around, we visited Exeter (but not Andover, because as you hint at…you can’t visit them all).

And truthfully, we weren’t blown away in the same way we were when we visited SPS (still my favorite of the more “famous” schools). I have stated elsewhere that looking back, not having 7D1 apply to Exeter was perhaps an error, because it seems to stand a little above all the others with regard to fostering a culture of truly intellectually curious kids. Not the entire student body, but, from what I can glean from various posts, a higher percentage than other schools.

I think the mistake many prospects/applicants make is assuming that the smaller/less famous schools just don’t have the FA budget to make things a reality. SAS, the school that 7D1 attended, is up there with Andover in terms of percent of student body on FA and average size of FA grant. But alas, it doesn’t make it to many people’s lists because they fail to do the research and go on name recognition (which I can’t blame people too much for, because you have to draw the line somewhere). And there are plenty of schools with even less name recognition than SAS who have surprisingly robust FA programs — if you can keep an open mind about things.

Keep in mind that my own kids are ORM and we needed/need FA to make this happen as well. And my advice on the forum is geared to helping people get to as many positive outcomes as possible come M10.

I know that some have tried to characterize some of my posts as “bashing” the As and Es of the world. That’s just plain silly. I will say that I generally root for the underdog, and when it comes to BS, A & E certainly need no more champions…

@SevenDad, we did search for the lesser known schools’s FA history and applied to them as well. And all the lesser known schools we applied are fully satisfactory, except one that recently became slightly less so and we withdrew from. We just… applied to more schools in total than you did.

@SculptorDad,

This was likely the issue for Fay. Fay is a school with strong academics and smart students, but it’s still an elementary/middle school, and the school was probably wary of their ability to give your daughter the level of academics she needs. My kids attended a peer school of Fay and I can easily envision them turning your daughter down for that reason. IOW, I doubt it was because she was not judged to able enough, but rather that they thought a 9-12 would be a better fit.

@SculptorDad: Sounds like you took a prudent course of action. Keep in mind that neither of my daughters got into every school they applied to, either, but both did have choices come M10. Best of luck.

@Sue22. Perhaps. But her math isn’t advanced, and we felt confident that Fay, or even less rigorous schools with small class size could give good instruction on liberal art / social studies classes as learning isn’t necessarily linear or progressive in that area.

Of course she wouldn’t be judged for lacking ability to work… She has fully demonstrated her industrious work ethic, study habit and time management skills by completing 18 college units last semester and describing it in her essays.

But as we all know and I was ready to experience that academics is only a part of the picture. Even meeting 100% on that part doesn’t mean that the whole picture looks good enough.

@SevenDad … thank you for your comments. Especially the info on SA’s fencing team. Simple pleasures.

I will make one caveat which is I believe there is a magic bullet: Winning the CDB Scholarship. In fact, I asked the program director specifically if a Scholar had ever been denied admission to their top choice; She laughed then replied, “No.”

Getting so close (DD was in the top 50 but not one of the winning 29) encouraged us to focus on gold in terms of BS: top tier + great fit. After all, it’s a hard pill to swallow that one small committee’s decision is the difference between any school tuition fully paid and a stack of rejection letters. But who knows? Maybe it’s like the Powerball: Six numbers and you get $1Billion, 5 numbers and you get $100.

Anyway, for us it seemed a reasonable gamble given she could stay at her current local BS, try the LPS and/or try for BS next year when she might actually be ready to board. But anyway, thanks again for your comments. I’m learning a lot from you all. :slight_smile:

@bookwormsmom, two of my (online) friends’ children are among the 29 for this year. One of them, a FP being a CDB, applied to BS too and is far from feeling confident to get in any of them.
And 29 is such a small number it has a lot to do with luck to go from the top 50 to the winners. I am sure your daughter will win greater awards in the future, or just successful and be happy anyway.

BTW, imagine one man, not even one committee in a back room is practically controlling how USNEWS college ranking system works. His name is Robert Morse, director of data research at U.S. News and a two-decade veteran of the controversial rankings.

@SevenDad and @SculptorDad … Sorry if I missed this but how many schools did your kids apply to? I tried searching for a post on this specifically but couldn’t find it. My impression from checking previous admit lists was that 4-5 was about average.

@bookwormsmom: Just goes to show that if you ask enough people…I know of one CDB winner that did get rejected from one of the usual top tier suspects (not my kid as we found out about CDB too late in our process with 7D1 for her to apply).

Again, from what you’ve shared about your DD, I think she’ll have options come M10…but this initial rejection is a "teachable moment"to future applicants that even kids with stats like your daughter are no guarantees (except stuff like “household name/name on building/etc.”) at the uber-selectives…and my corollary to that is “if you don’t have bookwormkid’s stats, what makes you think you have a better than the admit rate percentage of getting into school X?”

@SculptorDad Congratulations to both. Maybe you don’t want to pass along what I was told by the director since at this point your friend can only be pleasantly surprised. I will be curious what happens for him on M10, though. And thanks for the kind words. Yes – happiness is still within reach for her :). I agree with an earlier poster who said kids are resilient and these rejections are probably hardest on the parents.

Long ago, before I misplaced most of my brain cells, I was a “profoundly gifted” child (in other words, really good at standardized testing, if not much else :slight_smile: ). My experience at public schools, including one called “legendary” in another thread, was underwhelming, and I strongly disagree with those who think the OP’s daughter would be well served by a public school. She is wise to be looking at top private high schools. However, her list seems rather short, given the odds and the parents’ intention to relocate. @bookwormsmom , if you are willing to move anywhere for your daughter’s education, you have many more options than that limited list. I hope you get good news on March 10! But if you have to do this over again, there are a lot of other schools worthy of your consideration.

Thanks @twinsmama. I may be soliciting that list from you shortly.

My DD applied this year (first experience with BS) and we visited 12 and applied to 7 schools. Five of which are GLADCHEMMS and two are not.