Recommendations letters?! - Help!

<p>Hi,
I really need help concerning the recommendations. Most Colleges want 2 of them from teachers. Unfortunately, this part of the application is pretty much unheard of in my country (Germany), so neither me nor my teachers have any idea what they're supposed to look like. Does anybody have an example? Do they need to be addressed to the college (as in "Dear Mr./Ms. ... from College ...., I hereby recommend the student ...)? And what are they supposed to write about? Extracurriculars are pretty much none of the school's business around here, which leaves academics. Are they just supposed to say what a great student I was? That sounds a bit pretentious to me, to be honest...
Also, I'm planning to definitely ask my English Teacher, who, unfortunately, isn't familiar with the American College System either (she didn't know what the SAT was, go figure.) If I ask another teacher who doesn't speak English, is it okay if I translate the recommendation myself and then send the letters attached to my application? Or does it go by snail mail? (I've heard that American High School teachers send those letters directly to the colleges, which does not work in my case. I don't trust my school to send anything, they're pretty good at screwing stuff up. Plus, I'm graduating in 2 weeks and not applying to colleges until fall, so I won't have anything to do with my school anymore).</p>

<p>It would be great if anybody here could answer my questions.
Greetings from Germany :)</p>

<p><a href=“http://mitadmissions.org/apply/prepare/writingrecs[/URL]”>http://mitadmissions.org/apply/prepare/writingrecs&lt;/a&gt;
Here, my friend. :D</p>

<p>Thanks a lot. I’m going to send that do my teachers so they know what they have to do.
But what about the translating? (One of the teachers I’m asking doesn’t speak English). And does it have to be a different letter for every college? Because I haven’t really decided where exactly I’ll apply.</p>

<p>You don’t need a different letter for each college and I think, maybe, you should email your colleges about this translating issue. They know what to do. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>What you really need to do is:
1° go to the nearest EducationUSA site and meet with counselors there
2° download the .pdf version of the recommendation letter , print it, photocopy it 4 times, give it with a rough personal translation into German to 4 teachers who may have things to say about you and ask them to let you know if they feel they would feel able to do it .
<a href=“https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/DownloadForms.aspx[/url]”>https://www.commonapp.org/CommonApp/DownloadForms.aspx&lt;/a&gt;
Out of the 4 hopefully 2 will say yes.
3° Look for examples online so that you can help
[Sample</a> Recommendation from Professor - wikiHow](<a href=“http://www.wikihow.com/Sample/Recommendation-from-Professor]Sample”>Sample Recommendation from Professor - wikiHow)
4° You will also need a counselor’s recommendation; the counselor is a person who knows you personally, can describe your program (if you’re in Gymnasium it’d be “most challenging”), can write a profile of your school and fill out an Internationa School Report.</p>

<p>Okay, thanks. We don’t have anything like counselors, unfortunately. And 2 teachers already said yes, both of which will try to write the recommendations in English, so the translating issue is maybe not that important. Do I really need the counselor one? Because most colleges say counselor OR teacher recommendation, or only teacher recommendation.
As for the international supplement, I think my English teacher could do that.</p>

<p>Oh, and by the way, do I send the recommendations and the international stuff by snail mail or does it go online? (Sorry for asking so many questions, I’m really confused about some of the CommonApp stuff and haven’t really gotten around to taking a closer look at most of it)</p>

<p>Oh, and one more thing: The pdf’s on commonapp are still the ones for admission 2012/2013, whereas I need the ones for 2013/2014 as I’m enrolling next year. Anybody know what to do about that?</p>

<p>Sorry, I meant I need the 2014/2015 ones as I’m starting college in 2014! (Why the hell is the commonapp website not updated? Isn’t it supposed to be?)</p>

<p>The counselor presents you, not in a specific subject as the teachers do, but overall, in your school career. Also, they have the very difficult job of presenting your school, its offerings, its successes, its challenges, what percentage go on to “4 year” ie BA/BS higher education (typically in a gymnasium that should be 99% or 100% since the German equivalent of American 2-year courses are typically taken after Hauptschule or Realschule, not Gymasium) what grades mean (what percentage of students get a 1, a 2…, for example). You may not need a counselor"s recommendation but you will need an official (someone who knows you in more than one subject) writing about you globally, writing the International School Report, and writing the School Profile.
Be careful about the “translating” issue. In Europe, “good” may be a rare compliment, when in the US, looking at the recommendation form, you’ll notice it’s below very good, excellent, outstanding, and top few in career. In other terms, checking “good” means the teacher doesn’t think any of those 4 things applies to you… It’ll be very important that the teachers are specific and give anecdotes about what you did or said in class that was especially interesting, distinctive, or remarkable in their opinion (they may want to provide context, too, as to how the German classroom is different from the French classroom).
All the recommendations are done online for CommonApp but for colleges that don’t use CommonApp, your teachers will have to mail everything (or upload it to the counselor in charge of your file, each college decides).
College Apps go online every year. Until the admission cycle is complete (7/12), the system serves the current applicants. Then it’ll go offline and you’ll be able to see the new application for Fall 2014 on August 1, 2013.
Cultural note: Avoid swearing like “why the hell”, it’s very vulgar and would be considered quite offensive by many people.</p>

<p>So sorry about the cursing. I usually don’t do that when I talk to somebody (really). I guess I just got a little stressed out.
And it’s not really true that 99% of people go to college after attending a Gymnasium. Some (a lot) of people go to “Berufsschulen” (professional schools) or learn a profession directly at a company (“Ausbildung”). There are a lot of careers that require a college education in the USA while in Germany you do not necessarily need to attend university for them (e.g. my mother is an occupational therapist, and she never attended university).
Also, thanks for your help. The biggest problem is that I have 2 weeks to go until graduation and already don’t have class anymore, so I have to get the recommendations now and can’t wait until the new commonapp forms are online. And there is REALLY no such thing as a counselor who knows me well. It’s not common in German schools. Thanks anyway :)</p>

<p>If your English teacher can describe the school and talk about you outside your English class, it’s fine. I understand there’s no such thing as a counselor but the school profile etc. needs to be filled out by someone who can speak from outside their specific subject.</p>

<p>Gymnasiums, in American terms, are prep schools. Therefore, they prep you for further education of the highest quality offered in Germany, or offer you the most choices for your further education, right? Even if that type of further education is not called “University” in Germany, you need to find its equivalent. For example, your mother cannot be an occupational therapist without a degree. In the US, she’d have gone to college (she didn’t “improvise herself” into an occupational therapist, she studied, passed qualification exams…) so for the purpose of estimating her schooling, she has a college degree (not a high school diploma or no degree).
The “% of students who go to 4-year colleges” indication by the counselor is there to indicate how rigorous your schooling was. Was it academically rigorous or not? Did it prepare you to continue with higher education or not? By definition, the answer to this is “yes” for Gymnasium!<br>
If you will, “% 4-year college” doesn’t literally mean strictly universities with Level 1 degrees in the 3-5-8 Bologna agreement system, but anything that agreement takes into account that leads to a general degree and is even moderately selective.
What the form mean by “4-year colleges” is “selective further schooling”. Some high schools have almost all their students continuing on with higher education, some mostly in selective schools, others in non-selective schools (for vocational education, for example, like what in Germany is done post-Hauptschule, not post-high school), some will join the Army, etc. If almost no one in your school continues their education toward a degree, it indicates the general level of the school is not good.
If everyone who wants to do “Berufschule” can, if they just show up and they’re enrolled: then it’s non selective; but if Berufschulen select some students rather than admit <em>every</em> candidate, then it’s “selective”. Berufschulen or Ausbildung would be included in what Americans call “college” even if they’re not part of the German University system: American equivalent would be a 4-year Co-op program such as Northeastern or Drexel’s, and it’d be considered a selective, 4 year college – even if under the German classification it’s not a “university”, which if I understand right is for theoretical studies leading potentially to the Master. Even if in Germany the program is not in a University, if in the US it’s considered to be part of the college system, then you divide it up between the “selective” group (you need some form of qualification to attend) or non selective (you don’t need anything beside your certificate of schooling, i.e., Hauptschule is fine). You’re not describing in German terms, you’re describing in American terms, for American readers who want to understand what your system is the equivalent of in the US. Your counselor can use the German words and explain the terms in the profile, since some admission counselors will be familiar with everything, but on the Common App form, you have to follow the Common App American terms.</p>

<p>You will need to warn your teachers that they’ll receive an email to invite them to write their recommendation, in August. They can’t do it before then.
Even if the recommendations are written instead of being uploaded, they cannot be given to you; they have to be mailed directly to the school. In some cases you will have to collect them in an envelop with the back sealed and signed and place them in a bigger envelop, but that’s become very rare with the advent of electronic submission.</p>

<p>Wow, it seems to me that you really know what you’re talking about. Thanks so much. But there is a lot in the school profile that cannot apply to my school, e.g. we don’t have such thing as a weighted/unweighted GPA, class rank, AP/IB/honors classes, and hardly any teachers know about extracurriculars as they are not really any of the school’s business. AND a lot of them don’t really know what students do after graduating (and how many are going to university). I guess I’ll have to figure out what to do about that, though I’m pretty sure that the colleges know that there are huge differences between the school systems and understand if I have to leave some of the gaps in the profile blank.</p>

<p>Also, there are not such big differences between German Gymnasiums as there are between high schools. The whole German Abitur system is basically standardized (at least in the different federal states of the country). Thus, your GPA can be used as a general indicator of academic performance for universities all over the country. That is why we don’t need any further standardized tests such as the SAT, and also why the percentage of students that go to university or their grade average cannot reliably tell anything about how “good” the academic level of the school is. It might be true that I would have gotten better or worse grades at another school (due to more or less demanding teachers that give different grades, or teachers that give you better or worse preparation for the Abitur exams, which count 1/3 of your final GPA), but there is no way to find out what if, let alone why.</p>

<p>Another important question: Can I invite a teacher as counselor AND teacher on common app? My English teacher agreed to submit the international school report which I think will only be available to the person you add as counselor. Is it possible that she does both?</p>

<p>(If not, the only other option would be to ask a school official to write the report, but he doesn’t know me well personally and therefore cannot write a personal recommendation.)</p>

<p>I haven’t seen it and I don’t think she can write two recommendations but she would write the counselor recommendation the school profile and the international school report so you’d only need one more teacher recommendation</p>

<p>I don’t quite know what you mean… the colleges I looked at only mentioned that they require 2 teacher recommendations, none of them mentioned the counselor one. So my English teacher would only write 1 recommendation as my counselor (not as teacher) and I’d have the other teacher write a “normal” Teacher Evaluation? Is that what you’re saying? (But my English teacher would still have to submit the “Teacher Evaluation Only” form, is that still available to her if I invite her as counselor?) I’m confused…
To make my problem clear again: I fear that, if I invite my English teacher as “teacher” she won’t be able to submit the International Report online, but if I invite her as “counselor” she won’t be getting the “Teacher Evaluation” form, but the counselor one, which is (I think) different (and I need both of them from her). Is that true and if so, what do I do?</p>