So happy for you and your son @cinnamon1212 !! Finally ?
Will you be wearing purple this fall?
Nope, navy blue 
@cinnamon1212 Congrats!! So happy it all worked out for you and your son!
Have a question. My D is also looking into d3 recruiting and it has been rough last two months. She did get positive pre-reads and interest from few coaches but no solid offer so far from her top choices. Since it is about two months to actually applying we were wondering if we should just give up on recruiting and apply without sports. One coach she thought was really interested and almost done deal has stopped responding last two weeks and few other places coaches seem to be waiting, not sure what is holding them back. Is it time to just move on at this point for d3 recruiting?
You will get more eyes on this post if you start your own thread.
I would continue to contact the coaches from the pre-read schools, things can go down to the wire, and recruiting is slow now at some schools, and in some sports. She should be asking all coaches where she stands in their list of recruits. She can also be contacting new coaches/schools as well, it is not too late in many cases.
She also should find out if the pre-read coaches would offer soft support with admissions, or if she gets in on her own would there even be a spot on the team for her. Basically, would she like to go to that school even if she couldnât play her sport? If not, obviously donât apply.
It is common that athletes have a parallel list of schools where they would like to go, even if they canât play their sport at the varsity level.
@2018graduatemom I feel for you and your daughter! The title of this thread says it all, doesnât it?! My son was kind of in a similar position, fyi (I wonder if it is the same school) â where they had rolled out the red carpet for him, gave him a preread, invited him for an official visit (if thatâs even what they are called in D3), he was going to sit in on some classes etc. Once the preread materials were submitted, nothing. No communication. Even when my son sent an email updating the school with his recruiting update (he had other offers by then) and asked them point blank âI would appreciate it if you would let me know where you are in the recruiting processâ Even his high school coach, who had played at the same school and knew the coach couldnât get a reply. I am so unimpressed by this coach. What the heck? They are dealing with 17 year olds â donât they have the courtesy and professionalism to at least let the kid know where they stand?
Of course other coaches do have that courtesy and professionalism, and those coaches are great, even the one who called my son to let him know that they made an offer to another player.
Rant over, at least for now
I would expect that most d3 schools in most sports would still have spots open, so if at all possible it would be good to contact other schools. I would not totally give up on recruiting, and I think thereâs a decent chance your daughter will get an offer at a school she likes. But, being risk averse, Iâd be working on a Plan B, which is schools to which sheâd apply w/o coach support. Does she have a first choice school independent of the sport? How much more does she like it than the schools where she has coach support? How hard is it to get into that first choice school â is it a reach? There are a lot of factors to weigh in making the decision. On the other hand, you do not have to decide in August â you can decide in October, when I am sure you will have more facts.
Recruiting is NOT for the faint of heart, best of luck to you and to your daughter!
Remember, coaches are people too. They can have personal issues, they can have issues with the AD limiting their slots. The NCAA gave all students an extra year of eligibility so some coaches may be juggling their rosters.
My daughterâs coach had a miscarriage during the season and it was everything she could do to keep her current team together so she put off recruiting. During covid, coaches may be dealing with their own family illnesses or those of coaches and players.
What seems like forever to you is not that long to a coach. Their recruiting has been impacted too as they couldnât go to high school meets or games, couldnât go to summer showcases. They are watching tons and tons of film (which can be boring).
Posing this question to the thread for feedback from anyone in the know on the financial impact of Covid on Ivy FA to class of '21 athletes who in a healthy economy would have been win/wins for the Ivy program in terms of both the AI score and their potential ability to score at Heps as a Freshman.
In short, we are asking: is it a reality that due to covid financial losses in he hundreds of millions at the Ivyâs are the athletic tips only going to Full Pay families for '21 class ?
Our DC is a T&F/ X-C athlete. She has 36 ACT, top 5% of Grad class with all AP classes and based on her Junior year track times would be the 3rd runner on the existing college teams of interest- but family income puts us in a camp of qualifying for heavy FA under the Ivy plan for HHI.
We got two academic pre-reads at Ivyâs back very quickly plus also one from a D1 and a D3 . But with the FA pre-reads there was a difference: one Ivy FA pre-read with very high FA came back within a week - this from an Ivy that likes to get its ED commits in July/ early Aug⊠the other Ivy was equally fast on the academic pre-read, but its been 2 months and we are still waiting on the result of the FA pre-read
So, one Ivy returns a FA pre-read in 7 days⊠the other still waiting and its been 2 months. Both coaches told our D she was one of their top recruits so what gives on the delay on the financials?
Is it possible that many Ivy are NOT giving FA this year- unless you are FB or BB ?
Thanks for anyone who can tell us what is the straight deal
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I have no insider knowledge regarding the potential of FA looming larger in recruiting decisions this year. I certainly think itâs possible.
OTOH itâs possible the delays are due to coaches not being able to meet recruits, and recruits high on the list not making decisions right away because they canât visit campuses. There are students who wonât just blindly accept an Ivy offer because itâs from an Ivy without a visitâŠmany are hoping visits might be possible in the fall. Time will tell.
TNFXC recruiting also tends to happen relatively later than some other sports, even in normal years, so not crazy that these recruiting decisions might not be clear for awhile. Maybe even in some instances, final recruit decisions wonât be clear until RD (which my understanding a number of TNFXC recruits go in RD in normal years anyway). Baseball seems to be happening later this year as well.
@politeperson thoughts?
@Spike20010 I wouldnât read anything into the delay. That can happen even in normal years. This could have fallen through the cracks, or FA is just slammed with other work. Still, two months is long enough that Iâd follow up politely with the FA office or the coach. Just let them know itâs been a few months and youâre wondering if more info is needed. I think itâs unlikely Ivies would suddenly shift to need aware for athletes and I havenât heard any hint of that.
Another possibility is that the Ivyâs are waiting longer than usual to see what is happening with P5 recruiting. With those teams getting an extra year of eligibility for athletes and simultaneously taking a big budget hit because of canceled football and basketball, they may be reducing their recruiting of 2021âs, leaving some better than usual athletes for the Ivyâs. Crazy year.
@politeperson,@RockySoil,@MwFan1921- thank you very much for responding. The coach has been wonderful and continues to communicate with our D and the coach himself is voicing surprise the FA read has not come back yet.
Our concern was peaked when we saw two trends happening:
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many of the class of '20 kids from Dâs school who are def full pay families got called off the WL last April/ May- admitted to Ivyâs and NE LACâs. To quote the College Counsellors at Dâs school " '20 was a banner year for getting of the WL at Ivy and NE LACS" ⊠we are not one of these full pay families though.
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hearing from other parents of D3 recruits our D is friends with that their D3 âoffer/ request to commit was tendered within 24 hours of them passing their Academic pre-read and then stating " noâ when asked if they would be applying for FA- 24 hour turn around vs 2 months ??? Telling, but that is D3 NE LACâs not Ivy, hence our question.
We will continue to be patient and D is continuing to train and do her thing academically and-to us-that is the long game anyway- irregardless of the school D ends up attending.
However, if likely letters are not going to be offered to class of '21 kids needing almost full FA at Ivyâs - due to the schools financial losses from covid- it would be good to know that now so that D can feel free to apply to other D1 or D3 schools- schools that she meets academic criteria for as an AI 240, would contribute to the team, but would have to pull her application from if she went ED at the Ivy.
So, would appreciate hearing from anyone who knows- provided a class of '21 is a top athletic recruit with 4.0 and 36 ACT- is that all irrelevant this year unless your family is also Full Pay ?
Thanks
Ummm, Iâm not someone âwho knowsâ but nevertheless I have an opinion. At really rich schools I doubt very much if financial aid will be affected. It especially wonât be affected for kids the school really wants, and athletic recruits fall into that category.
I do believe being full pay will make a big difference at schools without huge endowments, including schools that were need sensitive before COVID. And I would guess that merit awards will be fewer this year as well.
The FA preread might be delayed for reasons unrelated to athletics. At one of the schools weâre dealing with, all FA prereads were put on hold while the FA team recalculated the FA for the students starting this fall. Schools that have gone to remote learning and other atypical learning methods are reviewing and recalculating awards for current students.
As a follow up question, would anyone advise that if D does just go the RD application route, should we take the huge hint from what happened in the Ivy FA pre-read process and not apply for FA at any school moving forward ?
Again, I do not think oneâs financial aid situation affects an Ivy application.
It may well affect an admissions decision at a school with fewer resources.
Yes. I really donât think this should be a concern for athletic recruits at Ivies, or for regular applicants. If one wants reassurance, look at the way Harvard and Princeton have adjusted FA awards to account for at home or off campus budgets. Sure, they are the wealthiest. But all evidence at Ivies is that FA budgets are going up not down. D3 LACs are often a different story, and need aware for athletes is a legitimate concern there.
One other factor affecting recruiting this year at Ivies is leaves of absence and deferred enrollment. Iâm guessing coaches are still adjusting to those changes and this could affect timing and availability of slots for some recruits.
I donât think many athletes thinking about P5 will switch to Ivys. For many, it does come down to the money and there might not be any money for them at an Ivy whereas they are getting a full ride or at least a good sized athletic scholarship from a P5.
I donât think Ivies will switch to need aware for athletes. They donât make money off athletics anyway, except in the âgood willâ and âmake alums happy so theyâll donate moreâ categories. While Ivies took a hit to their endowment investments at the beginning of covid19, the stock market is back to all time highs.
Maybe I am naive - but Ivyâs (and many others) are need blind for domestic applicants, so if the recruit passes the academic pre-read from admissions wouldnât the NPC provide a pretty good estimate of aid? Are you asking for a FA pre-read because you are hoping for additional funds beyond the NPC ?
All we keep hearing is that things are really, really slow this year and coaches are spending more time figuring out the current team vs solidifying recruiting - at least in my daughterâs sport.