<p>I am new to this whole recruiting thing, so I am hoping you who are more knowledgeable can help me. My daughter (jr) is corresponding with several coaches from D1, Ivy and D111 schools. I mentioned this to someone who is more in the know about these things than I, especially with regards to this particular sport, and found the information he gave me quite interesting. Since he has not been involved in recruiting for about 10 years, I was wondering if his information is still correct. Basically, he said that if she chooses an Ivy or D111, the coach can basically get her in if she meets the admissions guidelines and might be able to help with getting her a better financial aid package. For D1, the coach could offer a variety of scholarship options and also offer a very minmal scholarship, but but get her in the schoolwith the possibilty of future increses to her scholarship. He also mentioned waiving out of state tuition for D1 publics. Is this basically correct? And about the waiving of out of state tuition, how common is that? Is it considered a scholarship or discount? Thanks for your help!</p>
<p>Hi fishymom, and welcome to CC, and especially to the athletic recruits forum. You’ve asked some good questions. Here are a couple of threads that indirectly address a couple of your concerns. </p>
<p>First, can the Ivy coach get your athlete into the school if they meet the academic standard? Read this for a good discussion of the topic:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/athletic-recruits/820784-what-average-ivy-recruits-stats.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/athletic-recruits/820784-what-average-ivy-recruits-stats.html</a></p>
<p>And about DIII’s, a much more slippery beast, read this saga:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/athletic-recruits/815590-more-d3-disasters.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/athletic-recruits/815590-more-d3-disasters.html</a></p>
<p>and this:</p>
<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/athletic-recruits/846888-schools-where-athletic-recruiting-doesnt-even-count.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/athletic-recruits/846888-schools-where-athletic-recruiting-doesnt-even-count.html</a></p>
<p>There isn’t really a short answer to your questions, other than to say so much depends on the athletic talent of your child, and their GPA and SAT/ACT scores.</p>
<p>I’m not an expert on the Finaid part but someone will chime in I’m sure.</p>
<p>Hello fishymom, financial aid for Ivies is strictly based on need, the coach cannot promise to improve or increase aid. It is always based on your tax returns, FAFSA, and the school’s individual FA forms. The Ivies, especially H & P are very good about meeting the total need, without loans.</p>
<p>Fishymom, we found the process to be as varied as the schools. It’s always fair to ask “how does it work here?” That’s right up there with “how many spots are you looking to fill in this year group?” At a smaller D3, the admissions paperwork came with significant scholarships from various pools (mostly merit), and I believe they could have added more for “leadership”. Instead she chose a D1. </p>
<p>Athletic money is very rare within the Patriot League schools (available only in 4 sports at D’s school). They work on the Ivy model, but you can get your formal admissions done sooner, with the possibility of some amount of money. </p>
<p>I found it very helpful to speak with a coach at “my alma mater” to get insights into recruiting. My D wasn’t considering that school, and the coach guided me on what he knew about the process at the schools she was considering.</p>
<p>Good luck!</p>
<p>You will probably see this in other threads, but NESCAC schools (DIII) offer no athletic scholarship and, like the Ivies, all aid is based on need. Generally, however, if you have need, they do a very good job of meeting it.</p>
<p>Thank you all for your replies. And riverrunner, thanks for the links, very interesting. Does anyone have any experience with or information about the out of state waiver. Although according to FAFSA we don’t have great “need”, with two kids in college and my daughter hell bent on going out of state, an out of state tuition waiver would be most helpful. Thanks!</p>
<p>Yes this is true. My daughter is also an athlete. However, the schools that offer this are few and alot depends on the sport. What sport is your D?</p>
<p>The Texas coach said that DS could NOT get an OOS waiver, because it would count against the team scholarship limit. Sigh. For track, I think there are only a few (six?) full scholarships allowed, so UT ends up giving quite a few kids a SMALL amount (like the cost of books only).</p>
<p>Fishymom, I have known of athletes who were given in state tuition to out of state schools; however, I don’t think you can generalize about this practice (or many others!). It seems pretty individualistic based on the school, the sport, and how desirable your athlete is to that program.</p>
<p>^^ I’ve heard many cases of students receiving in-state when they meet academic merit standards. Not sure how that ties in with the athletic piece, but I wonder if a recruited athlete with good academics would be more likely to be offered the in-state tuition, or if it’s just an academic-related formula. </p>
<p>We live in a low-population state that participates in the WUE Program of reciprocal in-state tuition with a number of adjacent states. Maybe there’s a similar program in your area. This works both ways: kids from high-population states can attend college in adjacent states to create a balance in the numbers receiving the tuition break from each state. Some of the programs are degree/major specific: some schools are trying to grow specific departments like engineering, and only offer the tuition break to students selecting those majors.</p>