Rejected from everywhere except Cornell and UCs. Implications about Cornell?

<p>Thanks guys, talking to actual Cornellians makes me feel a lot better than going to the HYP boards. It seems like nearly everywhere else, people are laughing at Cornell and talking about it like a safety school.</p>

<p>I’ve read the thread about myths at the top of this forum, and that clears a lot of things up. Ithaca seems kind of isolated, though-- I’m not sure it’s the right environment for me. Also uncomfortable with grade deflation.</p>

<p>And again, this is quite shallow considering Cornell is still quite selective at 16%, but why is it that in recent years it was still a full 7 percent above Dartmouth, and three times the rate of Harvard? The 5.2 billion endowment is also less than Harvard LOST at one point.</p>

<p>Cornell is a much bigger school than the others which explains some selectivity issues. The endowment doesn’t matter all that much. Cornell pays top salaries for top professors, on par with peer institutions (technically salaries are lower, but that’s because Ithaca has a very low cost of living unless you are in Collegetown ;P) Cornell is constantly expanding its programs and facilities so money is not an issue for the most part. Sometimes you’ll read stories about Cornell closing some very small departments, but reality is that’s more to do with politics than actual availability of funding and that happens at every university.</p>

<p>Dude, just be happy that you got into cornell, I was waitlisted by Cornell, and now I have to decide between ucla and uc berkeley</p>

<p>Maybe you’d be better off attending a Community College or state university for a year & then trying to transfer to one of the “better schools” you weren’t accepted at.</p>

<p>Don’t be worried about grade deflation. Incidentally, grade deflation is the #1 issue @ Princeton. So, now aren’t you glad you got into Cornell. My d got into Cornell and according to her dad(Columbia alumni), it is the better engineering school and with it’s new expansion into NYC, it has a greater presence now. If you can visit on one of those admit days, you will be convinced it is a great place to be.</p>

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<p>This is an understatement. Some of the top universities in the world competed for the prize of the NYC Tech Campus-- including Stanford. It’s a multi-billion dollar project. NYC had set up a kind of “adcom” group to review the proposals over the course of many months. Cornell won.</p>

<p>[How</a> Cornell Beat Stanford (And Everybody Else) for NYC Tech Campus](<a href=“How Cornell Beat Stanford (And Everybody Else) for NYC Tech Campus | WIRED”>How Cornell Beat Stanford (And Everybody Else) for NYC Tech Campus | WIRED)</p>

<p>Yes, I am aware. Stanford dropped out voluntarily, I might add since they did not have the support of the faculty. I am glad you posted the article as it just validates my point. The OP has come around since his previous post, so our work is done.</p>

<p>@Saugus, wow… I have a friend from high school who had the same SAT score, about 13 AP’s, and came in top 5 at our school. He didn’t get in to a single school in the country and had to go to school in Europe. He didn’t even get into UCSD. A little odd, but still… I would be happy.</p>

<p>At first I didn’t like the sound of such an isolated seeming school, but I changed my mind after doing research and visiting the campus.</p>

<p>What do you want to hear, Saugus? That Cornell has a lower acceptance rate? Well, it doesn’t, but so what? Any school with a 16% acceptance rate is EXTREMELY competitive, but I honestly don’t see why that is how people measure school quality. If Harvard decided next year to take a few hundred more students (all equally as talented as their typical accepted students), the acceptance rate would shoot up. Did Harvard, then, in the course of one year become a significantly crappier school? Did the professors suddenly become just a tiny bit dumber? Did the buildings decay just a little more? Of course not - little if anything would change.</p>

<p>Vice versa, imagine Cornell hired a new outreach coordinator and they decided to send out application fee waivers to inner-city/poor/low-performing schools around the country, resulting in a 5,000+ increase in applicants. The vast majority of these applicants would be rejected, and the overall accepted class would look no different than in other years…but say the acceptance rate fell to 9%. Does Cornell now, in your eyes Saugus, become a radically better school? Does the school that dashes the most high school dreams somehow provide a better education?</p>

<p>The problem here is that you are equating prestige with education. Once you get to the top 20 or so schools in this country, education quality is roughly the same. Every school has good professors and bad professors. They all have their own unique labs, research opportunities, and degree choices. The irrational human need to rank everything has led to insane high schoolers (and their parents) who think their life is defined by the number USNews deigns to place by the name of their alma mater. You are essentially asking us to tell you why you got stuck with a Lexus when you wanted a Mercedes - they’re both luxury, they’ll both take you where you need to go and impress the general population…they’re just different. </p>

<p>Let me also do something else to put this in perspective for you. Are you aware of the ivy league acceptance rates for the class of 2009 (which I have readily available to me)? Keep in mind this is the class that just graduated 3 years ago. Here a few interesting ones:</p>

<p>Brown: 15%
Darmouth: 17%
Penn: 21%
Princeton: 11%</p>

<p>Brown’s acceptance rate was roughly the same as Cornell’s this year, and both Dartmouth and Penn’s were higher than Cornell’s Class of 2016 stats. Using your logic, Saugus, Cornell in the year 2012 is a radically better school than Penn and Darmouth circa 2005, and only slightly below your beloved Princeton. </p>

<p>The bottom line is you need to chill. No one will ever look down on someone with a Cornell degree. The acceptance rates and perceived prestige are constantly changing, and it is likely that the majority of top schools will converge together within the near future anyway - it’s a lot easier to drop from 16% to 15% than it is to drop from 3% to 2%. You’ll notice in the future (if trends continue) that schools with higher acceptance rates will drop faster than those that have pretty much bottomed out.</p>

<p>Lastly, may I suggest you seek out CAPS (Cornell’s counseling office) once you arrive on campus. It is disturbing that your self-esteem is so easily affected by external factors. You were rejected by a college and now see yourself as so lowly that any OTHER college that accepts you must also be lowly - anyone that would want you must be flawed, right? That’s dangerous thinking, my friend, and you really do need some help with that.</p>

<p>Just a mom speaking here, I think it’s just been a very difficult day for him. Honestly, my d got rejected in the early decision process and she took it hard. These are kids who work hard 24/7 all through out high school, so let’s just give him a moment to regroup. I just wanted to make him realize how great Cornell is and he is coming around to that conclusion. If he is still whining next week, we will let him have it…</p>

<p>The attitude you are displaying here is why you got rejected. Good riddance. Get over yourself.</p>

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<p>Why do you keep saying things like this? Did you grow up in an environment filled with HYP grads? If you escape outside the bubble that is the northeastern U.S., you would be surprised how respected Cornell is. In Asia, Dartmouth, Brown, and Penn are the unknown Ivies and Cornell compares favorably with Columbia. Cornell is only bottom Ivy in 1 out of the many respected rankings (2 if you count Forbes). I really don’t understand where you’re getting all these misconceptions from.</p>

<p>Just let it all out now. Once you get on campus, you’ll find out that there are tons of students much smarter than you in the school you considered “safety”.</p>

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<p>This is not the entire story, it is the spin of Stanford’s PR people. In reality Stanford withdrew for a number of reasons, but top on the list was that they learned they were about to lose the competition. Here is a excerpt from a Wall Street Journal report from this past December – right after the competition had been decided:</p>

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<p>[Cornell</a> Wins Contest For City Tech Campus - WSJ](<a href=“http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204879004577107190097493490.html][b]Cornell”>http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204879004577107190097493490.html)</p>

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<p>@ Colm You are correct. I yield my opinion to your research. Can we agree that Cornell is awesome? Stanford is amazing, as well.</p>

<p>^ I very much agree with you talaria: Stanford is amazing, and Cornell is awesome. :)</p>

<p>@Saugus</p>

<p>It was just one of those years where your top schools were not looking for someone like you. That said, your attitude probably did come across in some way, probably thru any interviews or essays. If your Columbia essays: </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/columbia-university/1269288-read-my-unconvential-columbia-short-essays.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/columbia-university/1269288-read-my-unconvential-columbia-short-essays.html&lt;/a&gt; </p>

<p>are any indication of how you respected this whole process, well, I think the results speak for themselves. Do yourself a favor, take a deep breath and come to grips with reality. You’re not as clever as you thought but you still have an opportunity for a decent future if you can learn some humility and gain some maturity. Don’t waste your time crying to the heavens about how you got screw’d. Thousands upon thousands of seniors arent anywhere close to the opportunities that lay before you. </p>

<p>I think karma works well in your situation. You’re bright, ambitious but you need to grow up and get some perspective. This is karma’s way of helping to balance you out as human being. Had you gotten into Princeton or Harvard you’d probably be even more insufferable and out of balance which is unhealthy, for you and those around you.</p>

<p>Go to Cornell. I’m pretty sure there is no “humble pie,” being served at any of Cornell’s dining halls. Enjoy in all it has to offer . . .</p>

<p>talaria, colm</p>

<p>But can we agree that Cornell is just a little bit more awesome!!! (at least on this forum???)</p>

<p>Saugus,</p>

<p>Do Cornell and the rest of us a favor and please stay on the West coast.</p>

<p>@zephyr15, post #98</p>

<p>I’m sticking with talaria’s and my last posts, but I really admire your spirit! – Cornellians rule in this forum.</p>

<p>Yes to Zephyr 15. Awesome affirmation here for Cornell. Consider yourself lucky if you get accepted! Colm and I are on the same page.</p>