<p>I never said I was smart. You don't have to be smart to get a good score on the SAT. I know plenty of people who aren't the brightest bunch who did pretty darn well. I know people who are really smart and get low marks (though it is uncommon) An IQ tests measures intelligence. Not the SAT. And this is supposed to be a NY state school. What about regent grades? We have these tests supposedly for a reason. </p>
<p>And I don't go to South Shore, fyi. Private school.</p>
<p>well the thing is u have regents in NY but in fl we have Fcat so not the samething so they cant compare the two of us, but through the SAT they can compare us because it is STANDARDIZED, so quit complaining i mean **** happens you can still go on to do really well even if u go to a CC and then go to sbu. and to THEFRESHPRINCE, the SAT is the best indicator of how well students will do in college that anyone has created until now if you have a better test then start advertising otherwise dont trash a tried and proven system.</p>
<p>and ill admit i didnt do too fly on my SAT either (1350/1600 and 1900/2400) so its not like i did amazing on it and im just trashing people who did ****ty, and by the way they do not give a damn about the writing.</p>
<p>No india2007. GRADES are the best indicator of how well students will do in college. To think that one 3 hour or so test is a true indicator for how a person will study, write, analyze and function for the next 4 YEARS of their academic life is proposterous and you know it. It just doesn't prove enough. And no I don't think I have a test better than the SAT...never said that at all. I feel we should scrap it all together. The UC system came pretty close to totally omitting it from it's admissions process a while ago. And I think they know what they're talking about when it comes to college admissions.....</p>
<p>the type of grade or gpa a student will get can vary from state to state, even different counties could change the GPA a student will get, even the teacher can affect the gpa of the student. so there is a need for a standardized test that colleges can use to compare students from all over the US and the world. the difference between the education system in FL and NY is huge, and compare the education system in India and teh US and u will find that in India it is much much harder but it isnt because the students there are insanely smart its because the system there is based largely on cramming information for a single test and then forgeting it completely, so the main reason we have the SAT is so that we can compare two students from entirely different education systems.</p>
<p>lawlz, spelling error. It's "proposterous ".<br>
But anyways, the SAT is the best thing our nation has for uniformity. As someone said, grades can fluctuate depending one who the teacher is(where the student went to school) and the circumstances of the student. The SAT is a way to test everyone fairly and to weed out grade inflation, so it is necessary. Also, it have been proven that IQ tests are not a reliable way to measure intelligence.</p>
<p>You aslo could have taken the ACT which tests you on what you learned through high school and if you canceled your first score, you could have taken it one more time.</p>
<p>One=on. lawlz irony</p>
<p>Ok let me tell you my status. When I was admitted 2 years ago. And I'm not all that good.</p>
<p>NY State Resident
SAT I V- 410 / M- 600 = 1010
GPA = 3.3 I forgot if it was weighted or unweighted
My rank 135/670's
National Honors Society Senior Member
Volunteer Service in Day Care - approx. 300 hours? I don't remember.
Job Experience - CPC member (Chinese Planning Council) / SYEP work in Hospital.
Took College Now courses. (I don't know if they look into this.)
I have the regents diploma. I don't know how your regents goes. But I'm sure they do look at your English, Math A regent.</p>
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I agree with you on that, but we (implying NY) have other ways to find that out that are better than the SAT. (i.e Regents) If you want to know if the student can do the core curriculum well, then here ya go. This is a state school where very few (I think less than 5%) are OOS. Most students come from LI or NYC. The regents SHOULD be held at the same (or a bit lower) than the SAT. The SAT does not test your ability at school. For example, most of the core math is pretty basic. The questions themselves are tricky (referring to the harder ones), mostly due to the wording. If anything, the Math part shows how you think. (as in whether you think out-of-the-box or straightforward with word problems) I'm more of the 'straightfoward' thinker. I see the problem and anticipate what it is talking about. I use the same formulas. It has suited me well for school. There are many books on studying the SAT that repeat what I said. </p>
<p>Also there is a difference between saying we will heavily consider your SAT marks than saying your SAT marks are your #1 resource in getting in.</p>
<pre><code> To someone who said the ACT, New York isn't the hottest place for the test. I took it (didn't study) and did decently well. I probably would have done a lot better if I did, but I was studying for the SAT at the same time.(took it a couple weeks later) Stony Brook doesn't even list their mean ACT scores. (meaning hardly anyone sends them in)
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True, but the SAT is even worse. (since it was never meant from it's inception to be an IQ test)</p>
<p>You keep mentioning the Regents... Are you serious? I don't know any kid with half a brain who didn't do superb on all of his. (Except for Math B ;-))</p>
<p>I'm not going to try to defend the SAT; personally, I don't like it. But that's not what this is about. The SAT is far from a perfect test, but it's at least some sort of an equalizer, to differentiate between different schools and systems across the country. And it's not the #1 resource in getting in, but it's a factor. That comes from SUNY as well as from other factors, both internal and external.</p>
<p>TFP, you're right; the rankings definitely play a factor. And until US News stops selling their magazine, they're going to continue to be a factor, whether I personally like it or not. For me, it's not about rankings, it's about fit. If I think you're a fit here, I'm going to fight for you. And anyone in my office will do the same thing. But it's very, very difficult to tell how a student is actually going to fit anywhere.</p>
<p>It would be nearly impossible to use "whether you want to attend" or whether we're a "fallback school" as a factor in admissions. It's completely impractical to figure that out; everyone who comes to my office says that they love Stony Brook and they really really really want to come here. (And they're saying the same thing at every other school they visit.) So we have to have some sort of cutoff, academically; and that's set both by Stony Brook as well as by SUNY. I understand that some folks don't do well on the SAT; and that's fine. Then find a campus that fits your academic and personal profile, and blow their doors off. Go in there and ace every course; and if you hate it, transfer... you'll have shown us that the SAT was an anomaly, and you'll be admitted as a transfer student.</p>
<p>FWIW, I like the ACT better. It's more comprehensive, and I wish more folks knew about in New York.</p>
<p>Support for the SAT is waning, but it's not dead yet. Now, if down the road the four SUNY university centers all decided to do away with the SAT requirement together......</p>
<p>By the way, I can't buy the "this is a state school" argument either. If we had one state university and no other options, then maybe. But you have dozens of campuses to choose from, across the state. If we're not a fit, maybe Cortland is. Or Albany. Or Plattsburgh. Or OCC. Or wherever. Just because we're state-funded doesn't mean we -- or any other public university -- should offer open enrollment. Try selling that at UMichigan, or UC-Berkeley, or UVA. It's not going to fly.</p>
<p>Chris D'Orso
Stony Brook University</p>