Renting/Selling class notes: What do you think of the idea?

<p>"...I fail to see how it is an honor code violation any more than sharing lecture notes with a friend who missed the class..."</p>

<p>That's not so much the point. The major problem is that you do not have the right to purchase and sell those notes--it is the school's intellectual property. The school has granted you the right to partake in it, but not the right to distribute and sell it.</p>

<p>"The intellectual property argument is interesting, though I don't know if that would hold up in court." </p>

<p>I disagree. Universities are very protective of their intellectual property and they do make sure that it is protected. They have every right to stop someone from selling something that they own.</p>

<p>Additionally, it is most likely part of every school's academic conduct code that YOU have to do your own work. Students that don't show up for class and, instead, purchase notes from someone else are not doing their own work. That is very different from sharing your notes with someone who missed a class or two.</p>

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Additionally, it is most likely part of every school's academic conduct code that YOU have to do your own work. Students that don't show up for class and, instead, purchase notes from someone else are not doing their own work. That is very different from sharing your notes with someone who missed a class or two.

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<p>Strongly agree.</p>

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It's just good business. I fail to see how it is an honor code violation any more than sharing lecture notes with a friend who missed the class - if you are allowed to study with your fellow students and to seek outside aid (i.e. looking for help online, with other non-course books on the course subject, etc...), then using someone else's notes is just another way of preparing for tests/etc...

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<p>Using illegal workers to do work is also good business but that doesn't mean it's legal.</p>

<p>You're buying work (NOTES) that someone else did and using it for yourself.</p>

<p>Here's from W&M's honor code:</p>

<ol>
<li>Cheating is the act of wrongfully using or taking the ideas or work of another in order to gain an unfair advantage. It includes, but is not limited to:
(1) the act of plagiarism;
(2) the acts of giving unauthorized aid to another student or receiving unauthorized aid from another person on tests, quizzes,assignments or examinations;
(3) the acts of using or consulting unauthorized materials or using unauthorized equipment or devices on tests, quizzes, assignments or examinations;
(4) the acts of using any material portion of a paper or project to fulfill the requirements of more than one course unless the student has received prior permission to do so;
(5) the acts of intentionally commencing work or failing to terminate work on any examination, test, quiz or assignment according to the time constraints imposed.</li>
</ol>

<p>The term "assignment" includes any work, required or volunteered, and submitted to a faculty member for review and/or academic credit, or any work, required or volunteered, submitted for publication in a College-sponsored or other publication, or any work, required or volunteered, submitted for use in conjunction with a College-sponsored event or activity. All academic work undertaken by a student must be completed independently unless the faculty member or other responsible authority expressly authorizes collaboration with another.</p>

<p>You all are totally missing the point. If notes are work, then you cannot, under any circumstances, share your notes with another student. You can't study with them and tell them what your notes say, you can't help them if they just miss one class, you can't do anything with them that lets another student have access. If notes are NOT work (and they likely aren't, otherwise damn near every college student would be in violation of his/her honor code just for studying with someone else), then you can buy/sell them as you would with anything else, depending on the intellectual property issues. Thus, you all can stop saying that notes are "academic work", because if they are then no students can study togather, etc..., or otherwise they too are sharing academic work and are every bit as guilty as someone who sells notes of violating the academic integrity code.</p>

<p>Secondly, as most universities policies are currently written, and as most professors publicly/in writing define what constitues "work" for the purposes of cheating/etc., sharing notes would not be cheating in any way - otherwise, as shown above, studying with someone else/etc. would be cheating. Could they amend the rules to block this? Sure, they could, but they would need to have VERY careful wording to get away with it.</p>

<p>Thirdly, ryanbis, you have 0 idea of how intellectual property works. The lectures and their content would NEVER be the universities property, they would be the individual professor's property - and you can look this up if you don't believe me. Further, not all lectures are protected by copyright (in my estimation, most aren't) - and if you don't believe me, maybe you'll believe the University of Texas system, which has a webpage about commercial note taking for its faculty members that states:

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If a faculty member lectures from an outline or notes, or just "wings it," federal copyright law does not protect the lecture and the faculty member will not be able to assert federal rights against anyone.<a href="from%20%5Burl%5Dhttp://www.utsystem.edu/OGC/IntellectualProperty/lectures.htm%5B/url%5D"&gt;/quote&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>While the site does explain how most states individually protect the copyrights of professors, it would be very easy for those selling notes to make such suits a major pain in the ass - do it on the web, or get a buddy in a faraway state (preferably one that doesn't have protective common law copyrights) to make a webpage, make the terms of use for the notes such that any suits resulting from note usage must take place in said faraway state, and then see what happens. I think you're very naive if you think most professors would go through all the trouble of a large lawsuit to get a student who did this - each professor would have to file their own suit, probably pay for their own lawyer, and might have to file suit in another state/county and hope that it even works. It is not a "slam dunk" in any event, barring something like a professor recording every lecture (and keeping the recordings to prove that they did). </p>

<p>Also, all of this ignores the fact that NOT all notes would infringe lecture copyrights, even assuming that the lecturer videotapes each lecture so as to get full copyright status (see the UT webpage above, its near the bottom). The infringement happens from copying the expressions, not the facts and ideas (i.e. saying that Motley Crue's "Kick Start my Heart" is above one of Nikki Sixx's heroin overdoes and subsequent out of body experiences isn't infringing on his copyright for the song, even though it conveys the underlying idea that dominates the song), so a creative writer with good knowledge of both the subject and copyright law could probably take notes to avoid any potential copyright violations.</p>

<p>Basically, without VERY tricky legal wording by both universities and professors, there is little to no real way for them to make any punishment stick for note sharing/selling violations. Assuming they follow their own regulations, they COULD NOT suspend/expel/etc. a student for something like this. Further, the risk of an infrignement lawsuit is low at best. The only people at risk for commercially taking notes would be nonenrolled professional note-takers, who may or may not be guilty of trespass - but it would be near impossible to actually get them for that; in a large lecture class of 50+ students (these are the only classes that have commercial note taking, as far as I'm aware), a professor is unlikely to notice one student, and even if they saw them they would have to photograph them/etc. as proof of their prescense; the police are unlikely to sit in on a class just to catch one such person. In any event, misdemeanor trespass is a negligible crime and the costs of such a crime would be far outweighed by the potential benefit that one could gain from selling notes.</p>

<p>YOU're A TOOL
if you take notes and study with a group with each group members consent nothing wrong with that you idiot</p>

<p>If you take your paper to the writing center to get them to help you with it, that is ok. If you pay the people in the writing center to write your paper, that is not ok.</p>

<p>If you share notes and compare them with another student, that is ok. If you pay another student to take notes for you, that is most likely not ok.</p>

<p>The money is inconsiquential - paying people to edit your papers would be fine too. Further, notes are fundamentally different from papers - not to mention that, as far as I'm aware, it isn't cheating to copy someone else's notes (i.e. if you miss a class and need to find out what was said, etc.). Thus, since it is OK to copy notes and since money has 0 bearing on this subject with regard to academic honesty, it is OK to pay to copy notes/get a copy of someone's notes.</p>

<p>I was just curious...............</p>

<p>I think that you are trying to spin this situation to suit your needs but at the end of the day, there is no right way to do something that you know is wrong. </p>

<p>Depending on the class (especailly a lab science or math class) having access to someone else's notes is considered collaboration and must be addressed as so on your work. If Op is really wants a straight answer to the question s/he should consult the student handbook for their school or better yet, ask their Dean.</p>

<p>I dispute that selling notes is wrong - it is just, assuming one is careful about copyrights and possibly academic integrity (though at most schools I seriously doubt that would be an issue), good business.</p>

<p>In any event, some classes (esp. those that use powerpoint) post their notes on the internet themselves - which I think is a great idea. I wish more classes did this - it is a win-win situation.</p>

<p>lucifer</p>

<p>we'll agree to disagree =)</p>

<p>and as for the OP, I agree with sybbie, that if you are seriously considering this, you need to talk to someone in charge of honor related things at your school, and see if it is acceptable.</p>