Report someone who cheated on her application & portfolio to get into UCLA..(?)

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<p>Worked up? You’re reading far more emotion into my response than was there. You seemed surprised that I would defend one of my own. My point to you, really to the OP, is that there are people out in the cold cruel world who bite back and who don’t care if they get bloodied in the process. She’d better be ready for the blowback.</p>

<p>On the question of the OP’s motivations, you’re right, in an academic sense it’s irrelevant, thieves are always turning on each other and giving ‘states evidence’, it doesn’t change the crime. I just have a hard time assigning any noble intent to the OP’s actions. Wrapping those actions in some noble cause smacks of rationalization.</p>

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<p>Nor is there anything indicating that it’s true, beyond the OP’s word. Of course we could ask why would she lie? But that would bring back the persistently pesky motivation question.</p>

<p>As for ‘stealing’ a spot at UCLA, what if she submitted this work and said in her application “This is the type of work I aspire to; but, as you can see, my own work now isn’t up to this caliber.” Has she ‘stolen’ anything then? Does the OP know beyond a shadow of a doubt the entirety of what the accused submitted? I’ll say it again, we’ve heard half of a story - convoluted, filled with jealousy, envy and fraud - but still only half of a story. If you want to throw in with the OP, be my guest, but my dadar (dad radar) says there’s a lot more to be heard.</p>

<p>Regardless, if a spot was ‘stolen’ that’s UCLA’s problem. One that I think they will look for a way to happily ignore for the reasons I’ve mentioned in other posts.</p>

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<p>Vinceh your posts give me the impression you really need a hug. I don’t believe the OP is just looking for revenge, otherwise they wouldn’t be posting here looking for a different perspective, but even if they were that shouldn’t matter when the question is whether the plagiarism should be brought forward to the administration. Your preoccupation with the OP’s intentions stinks of pedantry, and I can’t help but think of a certain British rock opera when I see the pointless walls of text you hide yourself behind.</p>

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<p>please go live your life something that happen years ago doesn’t matter anymore, granted cheating is bad but do you know how badly it may affect her life(if she happen to commit suicide or being really miserable can you live knowing that it all because of you?) PlZ just move on. How is it your problem anyways?</p>

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<p>If OP “contacted artists of stolen artwork”, then he should suggest to said artists that they report “intellectual property theft” to his former friend’s school. If OP’ story is true, then former friend and her family did willfully commit fraud - both for AP credit and for college admission, and there should be consequences.</p>

<p>My question is whether this former friend has risen to the talent caliber displayed in her supposedly faked portfolio? I would think the media arts department would have their own suspicions if she failed to “rise to her potential”.</p>

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<p>I’m sorry I got distracted, what were you saying about pedantry?</p>

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<p>Wow, all of these posts. If the OP is so sure that this student cheated on the app and portfolio, she can contact UCLA and ask if this is something that can be verified. Like is the app and porfolio still in the records somewhere. If it is not, the OP can just drop it because the proof is gone–poof. If it still in the files, and if the OP wants to do this, then let ;er rip. Then it’s up to UCLA. If they choose to act on the info or not, is their own business. The OP has done her job in reporting a cheater. </p>

<p>I think anyone making these sort of accusations should understand they are serious and if comes down to it, the OP could end up on a hot seat too, and be so prepared. The lot of the whistleblower is not usually a good one. If there is a crime, and it is certain and there is true harm, such as assault, rape, murder done, there is a strong push to report. In civil issues, not so much. Now if that portfolio was one stolen from the OP, that might be a worthwhile quest.</p>

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<p>UCLA, CA, is bankrupt. Her family is paying Foreigner tuition. Schools all over the U.S. are fighting for these cash cows. My son is admitted to UCLA. About a month ago I told Columbia where they could stick my son’s app, when they told me they give their CSS Profile Waivers to International students - $16, but times 20 adds up…five transcripts, ACTs SATs Nov Mandarin…blah blah. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$</p>

<p>Not sure if International is more than out-of-state or not, probably. UC has turned into broke beggers and it’ll be a more difficult climate now versus in a healthy financial situation for them to consider giving her the boot.</p>

<p>How long do you have to live with her? what country?</p>

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<p>WOW. I read it all. Ethics and Morals. I guess I’m lacking. I’d leave it be for this halfwit cheater to torture people in her country with her UCLA diploma in a frame hanging at her family’s company, behind her workstation, if she bothers to work…</p>

<p>If I needed the financial help to be in college and survive, I’d put up and shut up and limit my time. and not suffer in some dreg of a place or with people I might not be able to trust with my belonging and my person. OP is an international student with family far away. And frankly, she’s not that poor either to just get here, if she’s at a CA public U paying the big bucks. UCLA is NOT giving out full rides and the alumni assos that just tapped my son to apply for a scholarship from them , the UCLA alumni organizations are by STATE not country, so no help here for this gal, who’s trying to decide whether or not to be a rat.</p>

<p>Be a buddhist and attract and think peace, peace, peace. which means let some one else let this idiot twit of a roommate get her payback. And you know some jackasses just keep on living the good life. JoeKennedy comes to mind…many , many wall street bankers come to mind. endless cheaters come to mind. “The meek shall inherit the earth” my Dad used to say. I’ve not decided being meek and poor is the way to go. I do think Martha Stuart paid too high a price as the swarms of guilty men tossed her out to the courts and jail , the woman, in a sea of men, to appease the wrath of a nation disgusted.</p>

<p>My point. dont’ use too much mental energy on this , on saving UCLA from itself, and denied artists who still aren’t going to get her UCLA slot, or on paying her her just dues. Anonymous would be the way to go.</p>

<p>More than any other reason, I’d do it for future UCLA deserving apps, so UCLA stays on their toes even when International tuition money comes their wayf - even if they do want her money, they more so dont’ want rumors of scandal floating. sheesh, how could you figure it out and not them. maybe it was from obscure foreign art, they just couldn’t figure out the websites. who cares.</p>

<p>turn the rat in, when you’re done with her, or not. But if you’re going to do it for satisfaction and pay back and to take her overblown ego down a notch, be sure to do it before she gets the diploma , otherwise her diploma will hang on a wall in your country and no one will be the wiser. it’s not like she’s going to use it to get a job or grad school…just on display at Mommy’s and Daddy’s business.</p>

<p>revenge can be sweet at a horrid mind-drain-waste-of-energy price . forget her, UCLA, and move on and enjoy your cheap rent, or pay her her come uppance for no good or bad reason. Best advice: anonymous.
But if really ****ed off at her, I’d have no problem turning her in for vindictiveness. but hey, that’s me.</p>

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<p>i gotta change this: not the junior member: the mom</p>

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<p>Ok, so I’ve read all the posts on this thread so far and would love to help you with this unfortunate predicament. Let me start off by saying that if I were you, I would want revenge, so to speak. I’ve worked hard for my success and understand how horrible it feels to watch another chwat succeed while ou struggle (i dont kbow if youre struggling but you obviously seem heated). However, let’s think of the situation that his ‘friend’ has pleased herself in. She’s a fake, a fraud, an she has to live with knowing that the only way she can be a “something” in her eyes is to cheat because she’s not good enough. Can you understand how psychologically taxing that may feel? If revenge is what you seek that I emplore you- do NOTHING. What she’s done to herself is revenge enough. If your motives for turning her in ARE for art’s sake (I’m a photographer who’s works (prural) have been stolen before) then I suggest contacting he artist and giving them a heads up on how easily his or her work was stolen. Personally, I would like to know if my work is easily stealable. And finally, in regards to how this ‘friend’ treats you, which seems to be a major underlying problem, just tip her off that you know. Don’t run it in her face, just mention it casually then drop it. Dont contax the school, let her sit wondering whether shell be caught. Devious right? No, karma. Best of luck in your future endeavors. --Kirby</p>

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<p>Ok, so I’ve read all the posts on this thread so far and would love to help you with this unfortunate predicament. Let me start off by saying that if I were you, I would want revenge, so to speak. I’ve worked hard for my success and understand how horrible it feels to watch another cheat and succeed while you struggle (i dont know if you’re struggling but you obviously seem frustrated). However, let’s think of the situation that this ‘friend’ has pleased herself in. She’s a fake, a fraud, an she has to live with knowing that the only way she can be a “something” in her eyes is to cheat because she’s not good enough. Can you understand how psychologically taxing that may feel? If revenge is what you seek that I emplore you- do NOTHING. What she’s done to herself is revenge enough. If your motives for turning her in ARE for art’s sake (I’m a photographer whose works (prural) have been stolen before) then I suggest contacting the artist and giving them a heads up on how easily his or her work was stolen. Personally, I would like to know if my work is easily steal-able. And finally, in regards to how this ‘friend’ treats you, which seems to be a major underlying problem, just tip her off that you know. Don’t rub it in her face, don’t blow up over it, just mention it casually then drop it. Dont contact the school, let her sit wondering whether she’ll be caught. Devious, right? No, karma. Best of luck in your future endeavors. --Kirby</p>

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<p>Not that I have much to offer with all these discussions and different
Perspectives, but I suggest:</p>

<p>Revisit post 86. Personally, I think this offers the most sound, level headed advice, with a much milder approach that helps u appear less belligerent, and more rational. Some of the Other posts seem quick to judge and form impressions (I’m not criticizing anyone out there.)</p>

<p>Furthermore, only go about this if and only if your evidence is sound. Records of communication with (or even better, allegations made by) the supposed artists who were plagiarized would indisputably help.</p>

<p>I know that it’s gotta be hard on you. I see people cheating on exams all the time in school. And I’m passive, since id hate to rat on them and invoke ill feelings (since some are considered the smart people). No matter what people say here, remember that at the end of the day, its YOUR decision- your choice, you have to face the consequences either way.</p>

<p>it’s always easy for others to tell you what to do (or hopefully in this case, advise/make suggestions) but if you’re not comfortable with doing (or not doing) what people suggest, don’t feel pressured.</p>

<p>That said, GL!</p>

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<p>Why ruin this kid’s life? Let it go. She cheated, yeah. It was a long time ago. Saying something now could do so much damage to her that I feel it’s totally inappropriate. It’s not like she’s getting away with murder here–the only person who was actually affected by her lies was the one kid who didn’t get accepted. Obviously what she did was wrong, and if this was a month after acceptance, it may be a different story-- but now she’s a junior… You’d be ruining three years of her life essentially because you’re mad at her… be rational here.</p>

<p>If you want some moral victory here, show her your internet sources and make some snarky comment. Don’t tell the school.</p>

<p>Be the bigger person and let it go!</p>

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<p>I agree with Pancaked, show her your evidence that you know she cheated but don’t report it to the school. You would be wasting 3 years of her life and for what? This sounds more like revenge than justice to me, let it go. :)</p>

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<p>wow what a saga. from the OPs posts i really did get a sense that she was struggling with the ethics of a tricky situation. tricky for anyone - in a foreign country - a friend and semi-patron - dishonesty - loyalty - whistleblowing. she did not seem like the ‘vengeful type’ (good lord some of you other posters with your scorched earth etc - would rival the greek gods!) (need a hug? that’s one way of putting it!). it hardly seems logical that if the OP was some jealous baddie she would go on cc and ask for advice. CC is a bit like the Samaritans in this case! the bottom line is that if this girl stole and someone knows that she stole - if no one does anything about it - thieves win forever and the poor honest kid who does his own work loses. not fair. IMHO the OP should report anon - with whatever proof she has and let UCLA do the right thing. kharma is also about doing the right thing. </p>

<p>anyhoo - the whole debate has been fascinating. hmmm… now i’m starting to wonder if i haven’t just unwittingly participated in some kind of freakish internet reality show…</p>