<p>Does anyone know what the required SAT composite is in order to be invited to audition for Michigan MT? I cannot seem to find this information anywhere since the advent of the new SAT. If anyone knows, can he or she post that info? Thanks so much!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.music.umich.edu/prospective_students/admissions/ug/app_proc/acad_prep.htm%5B/url%5D">http://www.music.umich.edu/prospective_students/admissions/ug/app_proc/acad_prep.htm</a>
I'm not sure if that link will work, but the information is, minimum scores of:
ACT 24
SAT 1100 on Math/Critical Reading
SAT with writing 1650</p>
<p>Remember, however, that with ANY school, while it may be handy to know the bare minimum SAT, the rate of admission for students close to the minimum is much lower than for those more in the ballpark of the average GPA of admitted students. One's chances for admission increase if one's stats are within the mid range of accepted students. While someone with stats below the mid range of accepted students can be admitted, it is at a lower rate of acceptance. The avg. SAT for those admitted to the School of Music is 1300 (CR/M). So, while an 1100 SAT might get you into the audition "invite" pile, the chances of admission are based on a solid academic profile that is closer to the ballpark of ADMITTED students. While some will be admitted with lower than average stats of admitted students, they will be admitted at a lower rate of admission. Something to keep in mind. Minimums are handy to know but evaluating one's chances involves looking at the whole package in comparison to the average stats of admitted students. This applies to ANY selective college.</p>
<p>Thanks nydancemom and Soozievt! I understand that better scores are of more value than are lower scores, but was interested in knowing the composite necessary for a kid to be invited to audition. A question for you, Susan: you say that "while an SAT of 1100 might get you into the audition "invite" pile, the chances of admission are based on a solid academic profile that is closer to the ballpark of admitted students." I am not sure that I understand that. Does that mean that if a student with an 1100 SAT is invited to audition and the dept. likes them (in other words, they impress the panel during the audition), that student might still lose a place in the MT program to a student with a higher SAT composite, who also impressed the panel? I apologize if this question isn't clear. Let me know if it is not, and I will try to reword my question.</p>
<p>NMR, basically, I'm saying that you must have an 1100 to even be invited to audition. But that doesn't mean you are "home free" and the rest is based on your audition. There are more talented kids artistically than spaces available. The department is going to review the entire application of those they are considering artistically speaking. They will examine the SATS, GPA, rigor of courses, essays, extracurriculars, achievements, recommendations, resume, etc. and decide who to ADMIT. Surely someone with a stronger profile overall is going to be more attractive than someone with equal talent (in terms of being attractive to them artistically). So, it is not like "pass go, get the invite, now academically accepted no matter what". I think UMich will weed out students who have no chance of being academically acceptable BEFORE the auditions so as not to waste time with those applicants. But being invited to audition does NOT mean you are ACADEMICALLY ACCEPTED to UMichigan. You are only ACCEPTED by the program after artistic review and then a review of your entire application package. When they are accepting approx. 24 students (to yield 20), they are going to review the whole package and not just go by the minimum needed to get the invite. The "invite" at UMich is not an "academic acceptance". There is no separate academic acceptance, compared to say, a place like Otterbein or Webster, where you can be academically accepted even before you audition. The "invite" at U Mich is sort of like a "screening". You have to be above a MINIMUM bar to even have your entire application considered for acceptance to the program. But if you look at the stats of ADMITTED STUDENTS to the Dept. of Music, you can see that the avg. SAT is 1300 (CR/M). In other words, not a LOT of kids with that minimum score of 1100 comprise the pile of ADMITTED students. Maybe some, but they are admitted at a lower rate than those closer to the average SAT score. The class is not comprised of all 1100 SAT students. You may need a 3.0 GPA to be invited to audition, but the average GPA of ADMITTED students to the Dept. of Music is much higher: 3.57. Nineteen percent of those admitted had a GPA of 4.0. 95% were in the top 25th percentile of their high school class, 72% in the top decile, and 19% in the top 1% of high school class. So, someone with an SAT of 1100 and a GPA of 3.0 may be invited to audition and may even be admitted, but will be admitted at a lower rate than someone with stats closer to the ballpark of ADMITTED students to the department. An "invite" is not an academic acceptance. It is a minimum bar to jump over, as anything lower is not academically "acceptable". But that doesn't mean anything higher than 1100 and 3.0 gets you in. You must examine the stats of students actually admitted. The Dept. is going to review your entire application if your artistic review puts you in contention of being attractive for acceptance artistically. A stronger academic profile is going to be preferable at that juncture over a minimum profile. Frankly speaking, an applicant to UMich with an 1100 and 3.0 is VERY chancy admissions. Not impossible but surely a reach academically speaking. I'd say Far Reach with those stats.</p>
<p>I hope that explains it. Remember that the invite is not an academic acceptance but an initial hurdle to jump, as far as UMichigan. The invite, which is like a "screening", is a good idea because all applicants should be doing such a "screening" themselves before creating their college lists. But you'd be surprised how many people I meet (and so many more whom I don't meet!) who just pick out colleges that interest them with no regard to realistically assessing their academic chances at those colleges. I have seen students with SATs of 1000 and GPAs of 2.9 with no Honors or AP classes who have schools like NYU and UMich on their lists all the time. VERY unrealistic. So, imagine those who are not well advised or informed who go ahead and apply to schools like UMich with those stats. UMich just weeds them out prior to auditions. But the invite is not an academic acceptance itself.</p>
<p>I had about a 1670/1080 SAT and my GPA is around 3.2 and I passed the academic review.. hope that helps!</p>
<p>Benzy, remember that the academic review is a screening step for the invitation to audition, but your application will be reviewed further in the Musical Theater department at the Music School when they decide who to actually ADMIT following the audition. It is not like the invite to audition is an academic ACCEPTANCE to UMichigan. It is not a two pronged admissions process/decision. They have a bar to be invited to audition. They have a comprehensive review in the music school to be invited to attend. The stats of admitted students to the Music School is published. The average is quite a bit higher than the minimum required to be invited to audition. Yes, you must be over the minimum to audition and yes, you can be accepted with those stats. But the odds are more favorable when it comes to the actual ADMISSIONS decision for those closer to the ballpark of admitted students, though some students below that ballpark can and will be admitted (just fewer of them statistically speaking). Passing the minimum bar to be invited to audition is like a prescreening so that they do not audition applicants who have NO chance of being admitted academically. But the invite is not an academic ACCEPTANCE to UMichigan, something to keep in mind. They will review your application thoroughly and not admit based on just the SAT and GPA alone. They care about things like academic rigor of curriculum, and so forth.</p>
<p>oh I totally understand that I couldn't get into the school UMich (not just the theater department) with my grades/SAT.. I was just helping the poster above who was curious what they needed to get past the academic review in order to audition!</p>
<p>Thanks to both Susan and Benzy9. I appreciate the information. Fortunately, my D is an excellent student and has not even taken the SATs yet. (She's a junior and will be taking them soon.) I just thought it made sense to have that information in front of us as a baseline. I understand that the better a student's academic background/profile, the better the odds, even in MT, at least at Michigan and NYU. I appreciate the info!</p>
<p>I was quite surprised when I was denied an invitation to audition. My ACT is a 33, my SAT CR/M is a 1390, and my uw GPA is 3.67. I had everything in on time, and all parts of the application were completed. But I got the standard, "Unfortunately, we can not invite... approx 3.0 GPA and 24 ACT usually required." Any ideas?</p>
<p>Malia, did you follow up this with a call to the admissions office? If your GPA was ABOVE the rquired 3.0 and your ACT was well above the required 24, then perhaps this was a mistake? It certainly would have been worth an inquiry, I would think, though perhaps Susan or someone else with more knowledge of this particular aspect of UMich admissions may have other ideas.</p>
<p>I certainly would have followed up BECAUSE the letter metioned a GPA and ACT score that are usually required and yours were far above that. Normally, if someone is not accepted to a school, I am not into calling up and asking why because many factors beyond stats go into college admissions. But in this instance, given the letter mentions an academic bar as the reason (may be a stock letter, I realize) and your stats were over that bar, I would have called to clarify. There may be OTHER reasons you were not invited, and that's fine. But since the letter states about stats as the reason, certainly it would be cause to inquire. At this late date, it won't make a difference, but to satisfy your curiousity, you could still call as you don't understand the letter given the way it was stated and the facts that exist. I don't know the criteria that exists for an invite but the letter seems to mention some and you had those criteria and so it is justifiable in that instance to write or call and ask. </p>
<p>Normally, when it comes to ADMISSIONS and not an "invitation to audition", and someone has higher stats than average for a school and still is not admitted, I totally understand that as not everyone can be admitted and there are many criteria that go into an admissions decision beyond GPA and SAT/ACT scores. But here, it seems there is a cut off and it is stated as a REASON for not being invited and yet you were well above the cut off. So, maybe they use MORE criteria, I don't know. But I would have asked for clarification given the letter you received and what it said.</p>
<p>Malia, I'm surprised you weren't offered an invitation to audition...it's ok, it must have not been the place meant for you to end up :). I wouldnt let it hurt you!</p>
<p>Does UMich superscore the SAT (take the highest grade for each section)? or do they look at the highest single sitting? or do they look at the full SAT reoort? (Deciding whether D should retake). Thanks.</p>