<p>And the last walk to the injection booth or the electric chair? I think knowing there's a set date on which you will die is quite a bit worse than sitting in a jail cell, because many, when given life sentences, are eventually up for parole. So few actually are executed because of all of the appeals that must be gone through, that it is uncommon that a criminal who receives the death penalty will ever take that final walk. When one is sentenced to death, it is usually in only the worst cases in which ample evidence exists to convict a person. How is the death penalty cruel and unusual? By maliciously killing someone, one does not deserve to be afforded mercy. What is your opinion on the crime rate statistics? When the death penalty was eliminated in the seventies, there was an immense increase in crime rates, specifically murders. How do you feel about that?</p>
<p>I'm with GreenDayFan in that I think the death penalty is almost too easy for them. I think that instead of the death penalty, the convicted criminals should have to spend the rest of their lives (no chance of parole) in solitary confinement, and only be allowed out for an hour or two a day.</p>
<p>I don't support the death penalty, mainly cause I think there's to great of a risk that an innocent person could get killed.</p>
<p>I don't support the death penalty because it's murder. The eye for an eye and tooth for tooth saying is bull.</p>
<p>You know what this proves to me for the 900'th time. Liberals believe they're god-given superiors. Well...maybe without the whole god thing.</p>
<p>Falcon, if liberals are superior to conservatives, it is because liberals are more open to dissent. I understand that not a conservatives are Christians. However, the conservatives in power are Christians. We have Pat Robertson on the right trying to get Chavez assassinated. Liberals on the other hand speak their minds but speak doesn't hurt anyone. I welcome dissent from others. However, unlike most conservatives I don't try to influence others with my interpretations of God. I will worship my God as I please. Don't try to have me conform to whatever God or ideals you believe in.</p>
<p>correction: not all Christians</p>
<p>On the issue of the death penalty, I support it.</p>
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<p>yeah, falcon, your opinion means absolutely nothing to me if you cannot at the very least give evidence to support your claim. We say we are against the death penalty, and that means to you that we think we are superior. Sure, that makes sense (sarcasm).</p>
<p>I see while I was away for the weekend my thread was revived! Going back to the issues of liberals being smarter. I agree with Greendayfan, liberals definetly tend to be more intellectual, not necessarily "smarter" persay, and how do we define smart anyway. Liberals definetly are more attracted to the intellectual lifestyle eg professor, foundation positions, however, I do not think that you can distinguish any group as smarter than the other, but liberals definetly tend to be more intellectual, I'll concede that.</p>
<p>well a trend doesn't matter does it? As long as smart conservatives can battle the smart liberals that's all that counts. The stupid ones don't really matter in the debate so ignore them although sadly they have a lot of power in the world.</p>
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<p>True, indeed. Like President Bush (especially....not the sharpest tool in the shed), Donald Rumsfield, Pat Robertson, etc.</p>
<p>fellow conservatives;</p>
<p>Bush tax cuts were passed in 2001 and another one in 2003 totaling 1.3 trillion dollars and look at all the change we have done. Tax cuts dont benefit immediately. Takes atleast 6-8 years to see the true effect. Clinton just got lucky from Reagan and Bush Sr. tax cuts and the tech boom, but it all went crumbling down by the end of his term.</p>
<p>check this out </p>
<p><a href="http://home.comcast.net/%7Elanemik/StockMarketAndPresidents.gif%5B/url%5D">http://home.comcast.net/~lanemik/StockMarketAndPresidents.gif</a>
<a href="http://www.freeenterprisefund.org/charts/taxes/image011.gif%5B/url%5D">http://www.freeenterprisefund.org/charts/taxes/image011.gif</a><--S&P500
<a href="http://www.factualbasis.com/index_files/image028.jpg%5B/url%5D">http://www.factualbasis.com/index_files/image028.jpg</a>
<a href="http://www.freeenterprisefund.org/charts/taxes/image004.gif%5B/url%5D">http://www.freeenterprisefund.org/charts/taxes/image004.gif</a>
<a href="http://www.freeenterprisefund.org/policy/all_charts.php?policy_id=1%5B/url%5D">http://www.freeenterprisefund.org/policy/all_charts.php?policy_id=1</a></p>
<p>ALL this with 9/11 and war.</p>
<p>you think these charts are biased? if you want go check msn money or w/e, bigcharts is pretty reliable.</p>
<p><a href="http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/intchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=djia&time=8&freq=1%5B/url%5D">http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/intchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=djia&time=8&freq=1</a>
<a href="http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/intchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=djia&time=8&freq=1%5B/url%5D">http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/intchart/frames/frames.asp?symb=djia&time=8&freq=1</a></p>
<p>Yea bush's social policies suck. But i dont like having recessions either.</p>
<p>Jewish Conservative here. </p>
<p>I wonder why it is viewed as acceptable to blindly hate President Bush (as part of a liberal platform), than it is to blindly follow Christian/ conservative platforms. I mean, blind faith in both cases is equally ignorant. It seems to me that liberalism has become somewhat faddish, as has hatred of President Bush by people who probably couldnt tell you why they hate him, but for that hes stupid. I dont necessarily support the actions of Bush, though Im fairly conservative, but I have reasoning behind my lack of respect for him. Has anyone else noticed this irrational knee-jerk Bush hatred? (I do think that people are (of course!) entitled to their own opinions about the man, but they should at least have some foundation.)</p>
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<p>Can u stop saying that?? Because what FRICKEN basis do u have for that argument. Honestly. Blindly hate? I dont hate him first of all. I dont hate anyone. Second, I dislike him,as a politician at least, because i disagree strongly with his policies. Honestly this is the same tired response you have to liberals . "Liberals dont like Bush because they wanna be cool, or 'punk'". stuff like that,its retarded. argue politics, put to rest these accusations.</p>
<p>well if it doesn't apply to u then good for u. But a lot of people in my school are like that. So don't generalize all liberals to be like you.</p>
<p>and YOU dont stereotype the whole world's population based on some kids at ur school that ur probably misinterpreting anyway.</p>
<p>^^
What imiracle said. </p>
<p>I don't 'keep' saying anything-- that was the first time I'd posted on the topic, actually--but if you're referring to conservatives as a group, making accusations that all liberals are knee-jerk Bush haters without reasoning behind their dislike, I don't think that it's neccessarily true of all conservatives. No one engaging in rational debate would resort to ad hominem attacks on other parties in order to refute points being made about them. They would attempt to refute the points. However, people debating irrationally would attack others in this way, and there are definately both conservatives and liberals who do so.</p>
<p>You cannot argue that it is not 'cool' to be a liberal these days, that it is not 'cool' to hate President Bush. Michael Moore and the mainstream media (come on, 'Sorry Everybody'?) have ensured that. And people-- I am not accusing you of being one of them-- buy into that, blindly. Liberalism, or a superficial unconsidered version of it, has become the default political position to take (unless you live somewhere totally steeped in conservative values). </p>
<p>So yes, of course liberals consider their political positions and have reasons behind them (as do conservatives), and as I stated in my prior post, as long as people have foundations behind their opinions-- as long as there is rationale behind their dislike of Bush-- then there certainly isn't a problem with their dislike. </p>
<p>I do think the fact that you reacted so vehemently to my post (even though I made it perfectly clear that I didn't think that all liberals were of that variety) is odd, but hey, you like a political debate, whatever.</p>
<p>GreenDayFan:
I don't neccessarily agree with the application of the specific to the general that imiracle made (though I agree with the point made), however, you do exactly the same so you aren't in a position to criticize.
Just because YOU aren't a liberal of that sort does not mean that other liberals cannot be of that sort.</p>
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<p>Yeah sorry i meant the general*** population of conservatives on the site. It gets annoying because im really passionate about politics and it kind of makes me mad to hear that stuff. And being passionate, im probably going to react "vehemently", unusual it may be, but o well:). And just to say, I dont like Michael Moore, i agree with some of his opinions but he turns me off. lol.</p>
<p>Generalizing isnt good,everyone has a valid opinion, democrats do have good points to make against bush.</p>