<p>I'm a new freshman student, and for my first semester I'm enrolled in a pretty ok schedule. However, one of my classes is Rhetoric 10, and I recently started hearing around that Rhetoric classes are really really really had at berkeley. Is this true? Should i taken an easier class instead, or should i just take it pass/fail? or is all that I'm hearing just rumors?</p>
<p>I would appreciate any responses, I'm kind of worried here :).</p>
<p>I'm a new freshman as well and I'll be taking rhetoric 20. I talked to some student in the rhetoric department and part of rhetoric is a lot of writing. So if you're particularly apathetic to writing, then rhetoric may not be for you. But the good thing about the rhetoric department is that it is small. </p>
<p>You'll be looking at things in a new way--different from typical perception. </p>
<p>Now if you find that it does get difficult, just take it pass/fail and you should be fine.</p>
<p>(I'm intending to be a rhetoric major, so I'm biased in a sense).</p>
<p>Visit <a href="http://rhetoric.berkeley.edu%5B/url%5D">http://rhetoric.berkeley.edu</a></p>
<p>You can find out more about your class to see if it fits your expectation.</p>
<p>I already attend Berkeley and I heard rhetoric is difficult, but it's easy to get say a B. English (the actual department)/Rhetoric classes are hard to get straight As in.</p>
<p>Rhetoric has its own department and major</p>
<p>Beyond hearsay, are there any rhetoric majors who've taken both lower division and upper division classes to qualify any of the statements made?</p>
<p>And secondly, rhetoric is it's own department and not conjoined to the English department in any way. Rhetoric is quite different from English.</p>
<p>Duh. Of course they are separate departments.</p>
<p>I'm saying English and Rhetoric classes are comparably difficult at Berkeley.</p>
<p>You seem to have a difficulty with English that does not compare to anyone else in this thread.</p>
<p>Hmm okay. Care to clarify, considering I scored 800 in Writing?</p>
<p>I'm simply stating that English and Rhetoric are comparable. What is your problem?</p>
<p>Edit: Rhetoric is just persuasive language. It's basically an extension of English.</p>
<p>You write a very flawed sentence and then you tell us "Duh" like you were being perfectly clear and we are the dumb ones.</p>
<p>Certainly rhetoric is related to English; but it's premise and focus is different. It is not "just persuasive language"; it extends beyond that. It analyzes the methods and tools that authors use to persuade. It examines symbolism and its methods. There are also rhetorical devices which focus the readers attention. It is one of few disciplines to harmonize between formal logic of mathematics and philosophy and the the informal logic of Toulmin.</p>
<p>Cmaher...It's not my fault you can't understand "English (the actual department)/Rhetoric"...</p>
<p>It's like just saying "Physics (the actual department)/Math classes are difficult to get straight As in"...You would immediately understand that I meant it as 2 separate departments. You find my sentence flawed just because you think someone would assume Rhetoric and English to be in the same department.</p>
<p>Eiffel: Ah. Rhetoric is certainly difficult but serves as great preparation for law school or many other careers you want to pursue.</p>