<p>Yale 1
Dartmouth 1
Harvard 2
CalTech 1
Columbia 2
Colby 1
Stanford 3
Western Washington 1
Princeton 2
Swarthmore 1
MIT 1
Univ of Chicago 3
Univ of Georgia 2
US Naval Academy 1
Florida State Univ 1
University of Texas-Austin 1
Univ of Pennsylvania 1
Ohio State 1
St Olaf 2
US Air Force Academy 1
US Military Academy 1
University of Oklahoma 1
Georgetown 1
Univ of Southern California 1
Cal Berkeley 1</p>
<p>32 Winners [2 had dual institutions]</p>
<p>2 from non-flagship state u's
hm</p>
<p>Stanford+Colby for one woman.
Stanford+Western Washington U. for another woman.</p>
<p>That covers the dualees.</p>
<p>wowee, yeah, i wondered why anyone (academically motivated) would choose western washington over the flagship state u...</p>
<p>It is rather interesting, two women, both dualee w/ Stanford.</p>
<p>bringing the post up</p>
<p>The results this year are interesting, in that there is a lot more institutional diversity than in past years. Seven winners went to state universities, including two who won from University of Georgia, equaling Harvard! And tiny St. Olaf had two winners!</p>
<p>BTW, my hats off to Stanford. They've been perennially handicapped by the fact that so many of their students come from California, so they end up competing with one another in the competition. Harvard, Yale and Pton, OTOH, have a student body that is much more widespread, so they apply to multiple regions. </p>
<p>A bit of trivia: two of the winners were high school classmates at a public school!</p>
<p>congrates to parents whose kids have won Rhodes :)</p>
<p>I think we should keep in mind is that what hazmat listed were just the American Rhodes winners. Rhodes Scholarships are available to citizens of many countries, some of which attend American schools (but nevertheless compete in their home country's pool).</p>
<p>For example, so far, Harvard actually has three Rhodes winners this year, not 2. The third one (Sammy Sambu) is a Harvard undergrad from Kenya. There may be more winners to come, as the other nations announce their Rhodes winners in the next few months. </p>
<p>Three</a> from Harvard selected as Rhodes Scholars — The Harvard University Gazette</p>
<p>/<em>asdasdkljashdlkajshd</em>/</p>
<p>Yea, Sakky, I guess Harvard will do anything to inflate its count. :)</p>
<p>Do you REALLY think we should give a scholar who won as a Kenyan the same weight as one who won as an American? </p>
<p>I don't think so.</p>
<p>Swarthmore has two this year, not one.</p>
<p>Swarthmore</a> College | News | Andrew Sniderman '07 Named Rhodes Scholar
and
Swarthmore</a> College | News | Rebecca Brubaker '06 Named Rhodes Scholar</p>
<p>That's depressing...we had 2 last year.</p>
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Yea, Sakky, I guess Harvard will do anything to inflate its count.</p>
<p>Do you REALLY think we should give a scholar who won as a Kenyan the same weight as one who won as an American?</p>
<p>I don't think so.
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<p>Uh, why not? In fact, I might actually argue that it should be weighted more. After all, I believe Kenya is allocated only 2 Rhodes scholarships per year. Kenya has a population of about 35 million. Compare that to the US's 32 Rhodes slots for a population of 300 million. Hence, simply on a per-capita basis, a Rhodes winner coming out of Kenya is *more *scarce than a US Rhodes winner. </p>
<p>Couple that with the fact that Kenya is a far poorer country than is the US, and also has far fewer educational opportunities. I am therefore actually MORE impressed by a Kenyan winning a Rhodes than an American winning a Rhodes.</p>
<p>I'd also like to point out that one of the Princeton Scholars is a hockey player:
USCHO.com</a> :: U.S. College Hockey Online :: Princeton's Stankievech Awarded Rhodes Scholarship</p>
<p>I don't agree with sakky on many things, but newmassdad, that was an incredibly ethnocentric and basically stupid comment.</p>
<p>On another note, Princeton also has 3 Rhodes, counting the international one.</p>
<p>Yeah, I know of a Kenyan high school (class size/yr =170) has produced 7 Rhodes Scholars in the last 20 years, including sibling winners. It has sent more than 40 students to the top US colleges in the last decade most of whom landed at MIT, UPenn, Stanford, Yale and Harvard. Some of them went from undergrad to PhDs in 8 years at Yale and MIT. It's not hard to figure out what school that is, suffice to say it's much harder to get into than it is to get into Harvard or Princeton. It takes 170 students from 600,000 applicants. It isn't private or elite and is very short on money and facilities. It just turns out wonder after wonder, year in, year out. </p>
<p>Just think of these facts when you look askance at Africans achieving in academic circles in America and show some little respect, Kenyans can do more than run. Next time you run into a really smart Kenyan kicking your behind in school, ask him which high school he attended. With better management, Kenya would churn out hundreds of thousands of well qualified graduates because people have strong respect for education invest the little money they have sending their kids to school. Just because people are poor, doesnt mean they're not smart. There's a Nobel IQ languishing in Darfur right now, wasted forever. Warren Buffet's statement about being born in America being the single most important determinant of his success reflects the wisdom of someone who recognizes that part of success is choosing your parents wisely.</p>
<p>My point is not that Kenyans are not academically qualified, capable of doing good work (nice people and all the rest :) ).</p>
<p>My point is that the actual pool of Kenyans that are even remotely qualified is small:
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Candidates must already hold a University degree of First or Upper second class standard (i.e. with a score of 65% or more in Kenya).
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<p>Because of the small number of Kenyan U grads that meet this qualification, the competition is necessarily easier.</p>
<p>So, 1of42 (one who seems to be quick to jump to conclusions), tell me why stating that a Kenyan Rhodes is not the same as a US Rhodes is, to use your words, "incredibly ethnocentric and basically stupid comment"? Frankly, I think the folks that jump to conclusions without looking at the facts and without a full understanding of the context are the ones making a "basically stupid comment" to use your own eloquent words. </p>
<p>Don't blame me for the fact that Kenya has 3% enrollment (yes, 3%! according to the Economist Pocket World in Figures 2007 Edition) in tertiary education. For reference, the US figure is 83%.</p>
<p>So, Sakky, once again, flaky math. If one conditions on the tertiary ed pool, there is one scholarship for every 486,000 Kenyan tertiary students, one for every 7,703,000 US tertiary students. I sure like the Kenyan odds better. QED.</p>
<p>Heck, Harvard does well enough in winning US Rhodes that they don't need to stretch like this. In the past decade they've won 34 US Rhodes, compared to #2 Yale at 23 and #3 Chicago at 15. Why Harvard folks want to say "me too! Me too!" in years when they are not at the top is beyond me. Let Standford and Chicago have a bit of glory for a change. But I guess that's not enough for the Boosters?</p>
<p>I just found out that I know one of the guys from Yale who won. His brother also goes to Yale. Brilliant guys.</p>
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My point is that the actual pool of Kenyans that are even remotely qualified is small</p>
<p>...Because of the small number of Kenyan U grads that meet this qualification, the competition is necessarily easier.</p>
<p>...Don't blame me for the fact that Kenya has 3% enrollment (yes, 3%! according to the Economist Pocket World in Figures 2007 Edition) in tertiary education. For reference, the US figure is 83%.
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<p>I completely fail to see how this is relevant. Sure, the percentage of Kenyans who "qualify" is small. But why does that detract from the accomplishment? You said it yourself, the vast majority of Kenyans won't get strong educations. Hence, that makes the accomplishments of those that do a quite impressive achievement indeed.</p>
<p>Take your figures of 83% of Americans receiving tertiary education. I think we all know that that figure includes plenty of American students who don't give a darn about education and don't even want to be in school at all. I know that back in my high school days, there were plenty of students who clearly didn't want to be there and were more interested in tormenting the teachers and harrassing other students than they were in actually learning anything. Then there was another large group (probably the largest such group) who, while not actively hostile to school, were clearly quite indifferent, and were more interested in playing on the sports team or being popular than in actually learning anything. Only a small percentage of students at my high school were actually serious students. Heck, even in US colleges, there are plenty of American students who aren't really that interested in learning anything and are more interested in partying and drinking. </p>
<p>Contrast that with that Kenyan 3%. I would venture to say that a very high proportion of them actually want to be in school and actually care about getting educated. </p>
<p>
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So, Sakky, once again, flaky math. If one conditions on the tertiary ed pool, there is one scholarship for every 486,000 Kenyan tertiary students, one for every 7,703,000 US tertiary students. I sure like the Kenyan odds better. QED.
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<p>Uh, how's that? Even if what you are saying regarding how much easier it is for a Kenyan to get a Rhodes (which I would emphatically argue is not the case), that still leaves open the question of why would such a Kenyan choose to go to Harvard? Why not some other college? </p>
<p>I would be perfectly happy to celebrate a Kenyan who went to some no-name school and won the Rhodes there. But that didn't happen this year. The Kenyan in question went to Harvard. Hence, it is entirely proper for Harvard to be celebrating that accomplishment. After all, if nothing else, Harvard had enough of a draw to convince that Kenyan to want to go there as opposed to other schools that he probably got into. Furthermore, Harvard probably prepared him for the Rhodes selection process through the vaunted Harvard Rhodes coaching process. He probably would not have received such intensive coaching if he had gone to some other school and hence he probably would not have won. </p>
<p>
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Heck, Harvard does well enough in winning US Rhodes that they don't need to stretch like this. In the past decade they've won 34 US Rhodes, compared to #2 Yale at 23 and #3 Chicago at 15. Why Harvard folks want to say "me too! Me too!" in years when they are not at the top is beyond me. Let Standford and Chicago have a bit of glory for a change. But I guess that's not enough for the Boosters?
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<p>Harvard is doing nothing different from what other schools - yes, including Stanford and Chicago - are doing. </p>
<p>For example, in 2006, Stanford celebrated the glory of 4 Rhodes winners. Yet, only 3 of them were Americans. The other was from Jamaica. Furthermore, as 1of42 has said, Princeton is proudly touting its 3 Rhodes winners this year, 1 of which is from Canada.</p>
<p>Four</a> tapped for Rhodes Scholarships - The Stanford Daily Online
Princeton</a> University - Three seniors named Rhodes Scholars</p>
<p>So that begs the question of why are schools like Stanford and Princeton allowed to "stretch" the number of Rhodes winners it gets by counting foreign winners, but Harvard is not allowed to do so? Harvard is behaving no differently from other schools. I would like to see you bashing those other schools for 'stretching' with the same intensity that you are bashing Harvard. But I'm not going to hold my breath.</p>