Rice University: Why It's Better than Harvard/Stanford

<p>I've done a lot of research into universities lately. I went to the University of Virginia for undergrad, and liked it a lot. I prefer UVa to any member of the Ivy League, and certainly to the likes of Duke. But I have decided that for grad school I will try something new: preferably a small, intimate university that also conducts significant research.</p>

<p>To make a long story short, I have settled on Rice University. I don't attend Rice yet, I haven't gotten into Rice yet. I haven't even applied yet. But I will tell you why I have chosen Rice and why I will go there.</p>

<p>Rice is the only university in the world that combines the best aspects of a small, intimate liberal arts college like Amherst or Williams with those of a major research university like Harvard or Stanford. Dartmouth College is much bigger than Rice, yet puts out only a tiny fraction of the research that Rice does. Princeton University has fewer National Merit Scholars than Rice (even in absolute numbers), yet is overrun with nearly 2000 more students overall. Because Rice is so small but the faculty conducts such large amounts of research and development, undergraduate research is available to a greater percentage of students at Rice than at any other major university.</p>

<p>Rice University has a higher endowment-per-student than any schools save Princeton, Harvard, Yale, and Stanford. In fact, I believe that this year it passed Stanford again for fourth. It is also ahead of MIT in that regard. It uses relatively more of its endowment to cover student fees and charges 33% less in tuition, room, and board than these competitors.</p>

<p>I implore the best students reading this to conduct your own due diligence and look into Rice University. If only I had known at your age what you will know!</p>

<p>Great summary. My D is a soph at Rice and loves it. All is well in Houston!</p>

<p>Breeze-
You hit the nail on the head! My s. looked at every school you mentioned, as well as several others, and fell in love with Rice for undergrad for all the reasons you mentioned. He applied ED and is a freshman, like momofwildchild's d. anxiousmom's d. and Jenskate, all frequent posters here. So what do you plan to do your grad work in-- marketing? :) you have an obvious gift in that :)</p>

<p>Good luck, Breeze. Wahoowa!</p>

<p>Rice is my first choice for grad school also.</p>

<p>"Rice is the only university in the world that combines the best aspects of a small, intimate liberal arts college like Amherst or Williams with those of a major research university like Harvard or Stanford."</p>

<p>I agree that Rice is a great school, but isn't Cal Tech an even better school (for those who can get in)? It is even smaller than rice, spends the most money per student in the country, and seems to be even stronger in reserach/more rigorous in academics than Rice.</p>

<p>Rice gets THE best students from the South. All those northeastern schools have to split up the talent pool.</p>

<p>It is better, I agree, but it is also more expensive and, well, Rice is in Texas - Texas being a wonderful state to live in. But, no, Rice is a great university. and Texans are good, decent, nice people. We are not all cowboys and cowgirls. I am fully behind breeze on her/his statement.</p>

<p>my older brother goes to caltech and he's getting the **** beat out of him. i applied ed and got deferred, so i'm thankful in a very strange kind of way. basically, no matter how smart you are, you wont find much time to do anything else than your homework at caltech. </p>

<p>i shoulda applied to rice lol but it slipped out of my mind..</p>

<p>"Rice gets THE best students from the South."</p>

<p>I don't think that's necessarily true... remember Duke, Vanderbilt, Emory, UNC-CH, UVA?</p>

<p>Well, Duke - yes. The others, they have a pretty good chance of picking Rice over those. You know, other considerations and preferences aside.</p>

<p>And also the fact that some (not a lot, but a few) Southern students actually want to leave the South.</p>

<p>You're right about Caltech, for the most part. Rice is at least big enough that it isn't as one-dimensional as Caltech... but I like Caltech a lot. I would definitely encourage top students to look into both.</p>

<p>Duke, Vandy, Emory... larger schools than Rice but little real substance. Duke is probably the most overhyped school south of the Ivy League. Vandy and Emory are not PR hype machines like Duke/WUStl, but also aren't as solid as Rice IMO.</p>

<p>Birdofprey, that may be true but probably more Northern students would like to come down South than Southern students would like to go up North. Almost every school down the east coast is full of New Jerseyians.</p>

<p>After all, the schoolyear is during a time when the weather is much nicer in the South than the North. Yale is pretty nice in the summer, when no one is there. Rice is nice is the fall, winter, and spring, when school is in session. Sometimes I think the Ivy schools would be better off taking long winter breaks instead of long summer breaks.</p>

<p>I wouldn't particularly appreciate that (a long winter break, as opposed to summer). College will be my first chance to see snow other than the half an inch a year we get and occasional ski trips. :)</p>

<p>If Rice weren't in Houston, I'd definitely consider it. It would be too tough for a New England liberal like me to deal with living in Texas though.</p>

<p>"Princeton University has fewer National Merit Scholars than Rice (even in absolute numbers), yet is overrun with nearly 2000 more students overall."</p>

<p>Maybe cause Rice offers money to National Merit Scholars and Princeton doesn't. I mean, University of Florida has more National Merit Scholars than anyone else besides Harvard and no one would argue that UF is the second best college in the nation. BTW where are you getting that info anyways. This link has Princeton 8th and Rice nowhere to be found....<a href="http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/college/knights/orl-bk-meritscholar010504,0,4769485.story?coll=tf-knights%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/college/knights/orl-bk-meritscholar010504,0,4769485.story?coll=tf-knights&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>If I may, I'd like to quote myself, College_hopeful, Ahem, "and Texans are good, decent, nice people. We are not all cowboys and cowgirls." </p>

<p>So, see? It ain't as bad as y'all think it is. ;) No, really there are tons of liberals including me in Texas. ESPECIALLY in Austin and Houston. But it looks like your bent on someplace else. But I bet if you came down here you'd be surprised - pleasantly.</p>

<p>Amused-
The attached article from Carleton college is a few years old,but it shows the PERCENTAGE of national merit finalists at schools, which is a much more meaningful statistic than the total number of NM students <a href="http://www.carleton.edu/admissions/nationalmerit/listing.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.carleton.edu/admissions/nationalmerit/listing.html&lt;/a>
Your Florida article lists huge universities, and looking at absolute #'s rather than percentages isn't very meaningful. That said, Rice's website shows 529 NMF as current students <a href="http://www.ruf.rice.edu/%7Einstresr/ricefacts/students.html%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ruf.rice.edu/~instresr/ricefacts/students.html&lt;/a>
And while Rice is one of the schools that promises "something" to National Merit finalists who list it as their first choice on the NM form (lots of schools do this), the amount the give is need-based, and what they give might not pay for more than books. U of Fla offers a virtual FREE RIDE to National merit finalists, which is hard to compare to a need-based small award.</p>

<p>And College_hopeful, take a look at the stats. There are a fair amount of students from the Northeast, and the student population is pretty liberal. Go to the Rice forum and chat with Jenskate, a current freshman from NY. She will be happy to fill you in. Oh, and if you are used to driving in crazy traffic up north, don't worry-- in Houston you'll feel right at home :)</p>

<p>Amused - here's the list for the past 9 years prior to that. Combined with your list, it shows that Rice had more NMS students than Princeton, in absolute terms, 9 of the past 10 years and a higher number, by percentage of student body, in 10 of the past 10 years.</p>

<p><a href="http://www.ir.ufl.edu/nat_rankings/students/merit_old.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.ir.ufl.edu/nat_rankings/students/merit_old.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>ALSO, 1/4th of Rice students are National Merit Scholars, compared with 1/8th of Princeton students and 1/100th of U. of Florida students. That's why "no one would argue that UF is the second best college in the nation."</p>