Rice vs. Northeastern Scholars with full tuition scholarship for Computer Science?

My son wants to study computer science and was admitted to Northeastern’s Scholars program, which comes with a full tuition scholarship, and admitted to Rice with no financial award. He does like that Northeastern has its own College of Computer and Information Science vs. Rice having it within the College of Engineering.

Rice is a great school with an International reputation vs. Northeastern which is not as highly regarded, but is improving its reputation significantly every year.

Looking for some opinions as to whether it is worth paying $40k+/year to go to Rice.

If he will be full pay at Rice can you:

-easily afford it?
-afford it with sacrifices?
-afford it with large student and parental loans?

As you likely already know, the full tuition scholarship is only one part of the Scholars program.

@TomSrofBoston I am not rich so would have to cash in some retirement money to pay for Rice which is why I’m asking if it is worth the sacrifice. And yes, my son did get admitted to the Scholars and Honors program at Northeastern, which is a part of the package.

Taking out large loans and/or dipping into your retirement fund would not be a good idea. I was referring to the other perks that are included in the Scholars program.

@TomSrofBoston The perks that come with the Scholars and Honors program at NEU are pretty incredible. Access to Scholars and Honors counselors, access to professors and funding for research, honors dorms which for upper-classmen are apartment style with a kitchen, $6K reimbursement of travel and living expenses for one Coop abroad, etc…

I’m not even sure that the undergrad Comp Sci program Rice is any better, so I see Rice as more of a reputation/resume thing.

Considering the finances in your particular situation, I don’t think Rice is worth tens of thousands a year extra. Considering all the extras that come with University Scholars and the personalized attention, plus the co-op program (which is really great for CS), I think that bumps up northeastern a lot in terms of the experience he would get here. Comparing University Scholars to no aid at Rice, it seems like a no brained to me. But of course, I’m completely biased. :slight_smile:

I agree, finances do matter…A LOT! Remember, he will probably go on to grad school which can be expensive too. Rice is a great school, but 40k per year is too much anywhere, in my opinion.

My daugther chose University Scholars @ NEU over NYU, Boston College, USC and UCSD.

May I ask why @rgosula and did you get scholarship offers from any of the other schools?

We met a girl in the scholars program at NEU that turned down Penn, even after they upped their Financial Aid offer.

Ucsd and UofArizona (not mentioned above) were financially equivalent to NEU.
The others were were financially similar to your Rice option.

Money was an obvious reason.
scholars program was another, I felt my daughter would succeed where she had lots of personal attention
NEU’s climb in the rankings was another. It has climbed every year for the last 5 or 6 years.
My daughter wanted Boston or NY.
The school did a great job during scholars weekend working on us…

Thanks @rgosula‌. The personalized attention that comes with the scholars program is a very powerful incentive.

And we are very happy with our choice. She is doing better than she used to do in high school in all aspects(academically and socially), partly due to the personalized attention.

I am in a similar situation. My son was accepted the NEU Scholars full tuition. But, he got into Yale but isn’t getting any FA. Me and my husband cannot afford Yale’s sticker price but at the same time, I feel badly about not being able to give my son this opportunity. He plays the violin and Yale has a great music program whereas NEU does not.
Does anyone know a student who turned down Yale for NEU Scholars? Thanks.

That’s an agonizing decision to have to make! I knew we wouldn’t be eligible for need-based aid, so I didn’t even apply to schools that didn’t offer merit aid since I didn’t want to put myself in that situation. (Also possibly because as a high schooler I was terrified of failure, but that’s another issue.)

Northeastern doesn’t have a big music program, but there are things in the area. We have a symphony orchestra on campus, and you can take instrumental lessons for credit. Berklee, Boston Conservatory, and NEC are also right next door, and I think I’ve heard of Northeastern students doing some musical things at some of those. I don’t know the detail, but it would definitely be worth looking into.

I don’t know of anyone specifically who’s turned down Yale for the USP, but if you email the program, I’m sure that they could put you in touch with current Scholars who faced the same or a similar decision.

Perhaps I will. I visited NEU last week when the scholars hosted us and had a great feel for the school. I believe my son would excel in that environment. The students I spioke to all had positive feedback about the school. I met with a music director and really came out with a feeling that anything is possible with music in Boston and she would help and support my son’s endeavors. That said,It is not Yale and how many kids have a once in a lifetime opportunity to even get accepted? It would have made my life easier if he’d been rejected–haha. But, finances are really important to me and I am having a real hard time rationalizing going into a six figure debt.

Yale vs NEU Scholars would be a tough decision. Good luck!

I totally understand how you feel @violinmomnj as we always want the best for our kids even if we have to sacrifice, and getting into Yale is no easy task so congrats to your son.

We may be in a similar situation to you if my son get’s notified tomorrow that he got into Cornell as he really likes Cornell. Then my next post will be asking about NEU vs Cornell :slight_smile:

Good luck with your decision.

Hi @apccpa. @jfking01’s girlfriend here.

I just wanted to go into a little more detail about the Northeastern side of things if it can help inform your decision at all. Like the boyfriend said, I’m not a computer science major, but I’ve taken the two intro CS classes at Northeastern and have friends in CS at Northeastern.

Rice and Northeastern provide incredibly different college experiences and both have their own perks.

To put it bluntly, the scholars program throws money at its students. The program has been labelled a “top financial priority” for the university. There are ample opportunities to go abroad for free, the program pays for speakers such as Ta’Nehisi Coates and Laverne Cox to come to the school and have dinner with a group of scholars, and I’ve had an opportunity to get free tickets through the program to most major ballet/broadway show/musical events that have come to town through the program. If it weren’t for the scholars program, Rice would be my hands down no brainer suggestion. If your kid is intrigued and interested by all of these opportunities, I think Northeastern could be a better choice.

The biggest distinction I have found between Rice and NEU is the culture. Northeastern is a much larger and less intimate school. The scholars program helps with this some, but doesn’t eliminate the fact. My boyfriend knows far more upperclassmen who are able to give guidance and advice because of the residential college system. He was sitting next to seniors at lunch last year, and I was in a large all freshmen dorm at a school where anyone more than a year older than you is hard to meet because they’re either on co-op or about to be on co-op or studying abroad, etc. I’ve also met a ton of really nice people at Northeastern, but I would definitely say that the folks at Rice are a lot more humble about where they are than many (but not all) of the kids in the scholars program.

This culture definitely seeps into some of the differences your son would notice as a CS major. At Northeastern in intro classes, you’re stuck with a partner for labs and homework assignments who may or may not be a good partner, and who could define your experience in the class. In the first CS class I took, I had a great partner who turned out to be a great friend for the next year, but I was stuck with horrible partners in the second CS class I took and it was a miserable experience. Because of the small residential college system at Rice, my boyfriend knows who the other CS majors are and works on homework assignments with them, and knows upperclassmen who can help him out if he’s up late at night trying to figure something out. There seems to be a much greater sense of natural collaboration.

As far as CS opportunities outside of co-op/internship goes, it seems to me that Rice has a lot more going on as far as projects for CS majors. They have their own Hackathon and RiceApps, which connects students together to work on projects. As a University Scholar at NEU, your son could pretty easily get an Independent Research Fellowship to work on a project of his own the summer after freshman year, but I don’t think the CS culture in terms of opportunities at Northeastern is as strong. Could definitely just be my perspective, though.

I disagree with @jfking01 that Rice wins out in the job placement/internship. The scholars program is still too young to tell where CS grads will be working, but the co-op catalog for CS majors has jobs at many of the major Silicon Valley tech companies my boyfriend and his friends from Rice were applying to internships at. Your first co-op won’t be at Apple (the girl I know who works there now is mechanical engineering anyway), but neither would your first summer internship as a Rice student. CS is the one field where there’s emphasis on getting work experience as an undergrad regardless of whether or not your school has a co-op program, so the co-op program doesn’t have quite the edge that it does for other majors, but I think it puts Northeastern on a much closer to even playing field for CS employment after graduation despite the difference in rank. When it all boils down, I don’t think he would struggle getting a job at a top-notch CS company coming from either school.

When we graduated from high school, @jfking01and I were coming from completely different places. He was fortunate enough to not have money as no object, and I was in the complete opposite situation. My parents weren’t going to give me much, if any, money for school and I had to work within my means. With all that in mind, do I regret my decision to come to Northeastern? Absolutely not. But do I wish I could go to a school with the culture, size, caliber, sense of community, and weather that Rice has? Absolutely.

That being said, I highly doubt your son would regret his decision to go to either school. I hope this was helpful in some way, and I wish you luck in figuring things out. Apologies for the contradictory post. @jfking01 and I have had this conversation too many times to count.

Violinmomnj,

My understanding is that you can take classes at NEC if you’re a student at NEU (assuming you are accepted). And there are a number of music teachers at NEU, which I was surprised about. The whole music scene in Boston seems really strong to me. And NEU offers music scholarships, too.

Thanks for giving us your perspective @questiongirl123. It was very well thought out, objective and informative. I thought that it was funny that you and your boyfriend responded to the question in your own school’s respective thread :slight_smile:

You did point out the pros and cons of a coop system very well and I do agree that we have questions about the sense of community at NEU, with students coming and going because of coops. I don’t think the LLC’s are able to overcome the impact of the coops and LLC’s are only for one year anyway.

I also agree that the coop isn’t as big of a deal in CS as there is so much demand for good CS students. And through friends we already know that my son can get an internship at a major defense contractor as early as this summer, if he wants it, as he is already an advanced programmer in high school. I am wondering though, if maybe the reason that NEU doesn’t have first internships at Apple is because they have not been able to attract CS students out of high school strong enough to do them. For example, NEU doesn’t yet have an ACM programming competition team that is common at most top CS schools, although I understand that a couple students are asking to form one within the ACM club, which seems to indicate that the program is now attracting students with the skills to do them.

The big draw at NEU is definitely the perks of the Scholars program although I am a bit disappointed to hear that there doesn’t seem to be much of a sense of community with the CS students, especially between years as that has been something my son enjoys in high school because of how tight knit the technology kids are. I believe also that to get the most out of the scholars program you have want and take advantage of all the perks offered, otherwise it doesn’t matter.

It does seem thought that both you and @jfking01 are both saying that if money is no object that Rice is clearly the better choice for all the things you pointed out (culture, size, caliber, sense of community, and weather), but that my son would also be very happy at NEU in the Scholars program, and I think that is probably a fair assessment.

It won’t be an easy decision, especially if Cornell gets thrown into the mix tomorrow.

Thanks again @questiongirl123. We may come back to you with questions if you don’t mind.