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<p>This is a relatively new trend. It used to be they came here to learn and work. Now that India and China are catching up industrially, there is more motivation for them to return home.</p>
<p>This is a problem that needs to be solved yesterday. Case in point, at my place of employment there are several math/science classes almost filled or entirely filled by foreigners (majority from China, India, and the rest from USA/other countries). In one particular class, ALL the students are Chinese citizens (even the prof. is ethnically Chinese but she was born and raised in the US). A significant number of these foreign students plan on returning to China/India once their studies are finished.</p>
<p>Either we offer these foreigners incentives to become Americans or we restrict their numbers. We can’t afford to transfer all this knowledge to China and India.</p>
<p>Some of it is lack of incentive but some is lack of welcoming them. Instead, we are entangled in a very public debate on how to make immigration standards tougher and enforce them more efficiently. That is hardly an invitation to move here for good.</p>
<p>So instead of using the word outsourcing, we will now use offshoring for a bunch of new threads??</p>
<p>Oh brother.</p>
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<p>Outsourcing and offshoring are different. Outsourcing has been happening in companies for centuries while offshoring (at least at the scale at which it happens now) is more recent. Outsourcing means giving certain tasks to an outside company. Offshoring means moving tasks and jobs outside of the country. So, as you can imagine, you can have offshoring without outsourcing or vice versa.</p>
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<p>You need to get your apps in for grad school well before graduation so if you can’t get a job in the fall semester, do you rush and do a grad app with very little time or do you wait to see if companies will hire you in the spring?</p>
<p>If you want to do grad school, you do grad school I guess.</p>
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<p>IndianPwndDude, yes.
Offshoring is relocating a department or a division (or sometime the entire company, depending on the scale of the corporation) at a foreign land. </p>
<p>Is offshoring synonyms of outsourcing? Both “offshore” positions to foreigners. </p>
<p>But one major difference, which is applicable to most situations, is whether the give away is passed to a foreign company, or is it only the relocation of the work? </p>
<p>Beside cheap labors, sometime the geography and the natural resources are major reasons why offshoring is on the rise.</p>
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<p>Managers and senior employees don’t usually move to India. If they are retained, they remain in the United States in nearly all cases. This is not because providing the same salary and benefits is expensive but rather because most Americans naturally are very unfamiliar with India and don’t want to move. Some companies (IBM for example) offered or may offer to transfer you (via “Project Match”) to India to avoid paying severance and to pay “prevailing wages”. </p>
<p>Most of the time offshoring means that H1B workers are brought over and learn work from the American group (usually the American group’s severance packages require that the train these workers). Once the Indians learn how to do the work, the Americans are laid off and the H1B workers return to India and perform the same work. Certainly there are some Americans and foreigners in cities like Bangalore, India but by and large there numbers are quite small.</p>
<p>IBM Rational Software is hiring in Lexington, MA. It’s software engineering though.</p>
<p>^ Fits in well with the offshoring pattern. Lay off hundreds of experienced workers and replace them with Indian workers. Along the way, don’t miss out on the very best American talent. Hire a few young lower-paid college grads in the US.</p>
<p>Ever use Rational software?</p>
<p>^ Yes. I’ve used Eclipse (used to be developed by IBM Rational), ClearQuest and ClearCase. ClearQuest and ClearCase are quite bulky and hard to manage (despite having some unique features that competitors’ products lack) but Eclipse is great.</p>
<p>I’m sure that IBM Rational makes a lot of great software though I haven’t used a lot of it.</p>
<p>Is that work done in India or Lexington? We use their memory debugging tools and I’ve seen job postings for Rational in Lexington for many, many years.</p>
<p>^ I really don’t know where it is developed… code doesn’t have a “Made in XY” label. It is likely some components in Lexington and some in India. And of course they will hire here because they want to get the best talent regardless of where it’s from. And while India is cheaper, there are some top-notch developers in the US who they don’t want to miss. But the average college grad or older employee likely won’t get these jobs.</p>
<p>I don’t know about that. There are lots of researchers in the Greater Boston area of advanced age that they may want to tap.</p>