<p>So based on what I have read on other threads, Ross has a better career center than LSA. But Ross also has a harsh grading curve so students' GPA will be lower than if they were in LSA doing economics. Since GPA is important in the recruiting session, a lower GPA will hurt an applicant's chance. However, being in LSA Economics, a student only have to beat the test rather than some valedictorians who are also national competition winners. The downside is that they have a bad career center. So is Ross worth it?</p>
<p>It’s worth it.</p>
<p>“But Ross also has a harsh grading curve so students’ GPA will be lower than if they were in LSA doing economics.”
Ross grading curve is not harsher, if anything the curve itself is easier, and you get that extra boost with the .4 rule. But the people are more competitive. So it kind of neutralizes it, especially when you consider the fact that the econ program is comprise of a large number of Ross rejects.</p>
<p>It is worth it from a recruiting standpoint.</p>
<p>From a learning standpoint, it really depends on the person. Some people think undergrad business is not worth it at all no matter where you go, including Wharton. There are sayings that the ivies outside of Penn/Cornell did not have an undergrad business program because people in the academia consider business a trade/skill and should not be learned at the undergraduate level,where students should be “learning how to learn”, and business/commerce should be learned in the real world and through MBA. </p>
<p>I actually agree with this considering the fact that another intern from McIntire came in and started going blah blah blah about how he learned about market products in school, can’t shut his mouth in training (must make his comments all the time on what his professor once said about options, swaps etc), and up to this point he still struggle to understand how an exotic swap actually work in the market outside of the textbook context… and we’ve been working for the same amount of time </p>
<p>In most business context, you need to have experience to actually know how to do the stuff…and previous education really means nothing, implicating that </p>
<p>1) you dont really need to go to bschool to do business, unlike you need to go to law school to practice law]), or engineering school to practice engineering, so you might as well pursue something you like, unlike you truly love business</p>
<p>2) stuff you learn in b-school, although useful, will never trump experience. I’d rather take a guy with a philosophy degree with 10 weeks of experience and master the concepts, than a guy who went through 4 years of b-school, even if he’s from wharton</p>
<p>but it really depends on how a person view education</p>
<p>I agree with you bearcats, I also think that at undergrad level, students should learn how to think rather than receiving a vocational training. unfortunately, lsa’s career center sucks like u said in the other thread. can you explain about the curves at Ross and Econ more? I read somewhere that you said Ross kids put their GPA out of 4.0 instead of 4.4. Aren’t the recruiters at Ross alumni? Don’t they know that Ross grades on a 4.4 scale?</p>
<p>Alexandre the great, feel free to join the discussion.</p>
<p>and I’m pretty sure with my stats and other credentials, i can get into Ross, so Ross rejects really are no competition in my eyes.</p>
<p>^Check the thread of admissions and rejections before you get cocky. Lots of people with 34/35 ACT and 4.0 with 10 AP classes get rejected. Unless you’re topping that…</p>
<p>yea…</p>
<p>Yes, I do top it. I’m the valedictorian of a top 50 hs, 2350 SAT, winner of two national competitions. Trust me, I don’t want to be cocky, I just want bearcats and alexandre to have full information when they are assessing the situation, because in this case, the ability to outcompete most econ majors is important. Sorry if I come off as overly cocky.</p>
<p>and i know how strong some ross kids are and I don’t want to risk my GPA. or else i wouldn’t have started the thread.</p>
<p>dude you need to hear my story. </p>
<p>I am not the valedictorian or anything, but I did go to a top 10 highschool (that’s top 10 across the nation and started as an official feeder school to yale where 100% of the kids go to yale) that only admits 20% of applicants (probably 10% for kids without hooks like me (legacies, billionaires, donors, URM ) and have an endowment larger than the whole Ross endowment for just 500 students. My highschool consistently sends 40-50% to ivies/stanford/williams and 80% to top 25 colleges.
My SATs was in the 2300s the final time I took it and I did make it into USAMO my senior year (only around 300 out of 1 million who started in AMC), and my score was close to making the final 12 people group.</p>
<p>Before I came here, I thought the same way you did. I thought it would be a cakewalk, especially in an environment with a bunch of “dumb lazy bum in-staters” (that’s how i thought before I came)… you will soon find you are not the smartest in the world.</p>
<p>Right now, I am working hard, like real hard to stay in the top 10% or so in the engineering school, and that’s in IOE, or what they call In-and-Out Easy, which itself is a hard major, but surely not as hard as EECS.</p>
<p>"I thought it would be a cakewalk, especially in an environment with a bunch of “dumb lazy bum in-staters” (that’s how i thought before I came)… " Lol, that is exactly what im thinking</p>
<p>well you will find out that it’s not the case</p>
<p>but i think ross and econ isn’t as hard as engineering. if i’m in engineering, I probably will struggle too. Can anyone address the questions in post #4?</p>
<p>Also, if one of my friend, ranked in the 30s and 200 pts lower than me on the sat with no national awards tho several state awards managed to win the freshman top 5% prize in LSA, i don’t see me struggling. Or am i missing anything?</p>
<p>In Ross, B+ counts as 3.4, A+ counts as 4.4. However, i think it’s a rule that students with over 4.0 write their GPA as 4.0, not say…4.2.</p>
<p>College is just a completely different animal than high school. Also, it depends on many factors… for example, I had this professor from india who believes that A means curing cancer, B means excellent, C means average, D means it’s ok but could improve, and give out like 2 As in a 300 people class. What are you gonna do about that?</p>
<p>Also, you have team work. I have been in teams (randomly assigned) where the other 3 people just dont give a damn, yet you depend on them. Doesnt matter how good you are, you are still screwed.</p>
<p>College grading, especially at higher level, is also very subjective. If your professor doesnt like your work, you are up shyt creek… which also happened to me one time for a operations modelling project for Tata Motor. I even had the GSI read it before submiting it and he said he loved it and I would do really great on the project. Turned out that my professor hated it because he hate the idea.</p>
<p>I really dont know how to explain to you better. You need to experience it yourself.</p>
<p>Also, be more humble/down to earth. It will help you, academicaly and non-academically in the long run.</p>
<p>I see ur point. i was almost screwed over in a summer program because its team work and the other two ppl didn’t give a crap about the grade. thx for ur inputs bearcats. wat about the curves? does econ classes also have them? are they harsher than the one at Ross?</p>
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<p>If you think like that, then why are you worrying about the grading curve? The curve doesn’t matter if you stay on top of it. :)</p>
<p>Econ has a harsher curve technically as most are curved around a B- while Ross classes are generally curved around a B+ (and A- in one class I took) Accounting classes are exceptions.</p>
<p>However it is also way easier to be on top of an econ curve than a Ross curve.</p>