I just found out I was Pre-admitted into Ross, and I’m hoping to get accepted into Northwestern as an Econ Major as well. If this lovely nightmare happens, could anyone help me compare the two in terms of job placement, academic rigor, etc? I’m fortunate such that finances are not an issue, so I’m looking at it strictly in terms of how well each school would prepare me for a future in business. If anyone has experience in internships, the Kellogg Certificate Program, etc, please chime in!
Sorry this is off-topic but how did you receive notification off your BBA admittance? (Email, WA, etc?) and congrats!
@Howiewu22 congrats! What time did you get your email?
Unfortunately, job placement and academic rigor do not always come hand in hand. I can’t speak about the program at NU specifically, but if you’re looking for academic rigor, you’re better off looking at econ rather than business programs. If you’re prioritizing job placement, though, you can’t go wrong with Ross in this case.
For people accepted to Ross pre-admit- were you all accepted to Michigan in the first round of EA (12/19)? Did anyone who was accepted EA in February receive a decision from Ross?
I realize many of you are anxious about Ross preadmit, but please try to focus your responses on the OP’s question. If you have personal questions about when and how the OP was preadmitted into Ross, PM him.
Howiewu22,Ross will have better placement than Northwestern Econ. I am not sure about the certificate program though. Students in one of the two Kellogg Certificate programs may have similar professional placement opportunities as Ross students, although I doubt it. That being said, I was under the impression that the Kellogg Certificate programs were hard to get into. If that is the case, Ross would be a safer bet as you have been preadmitted into Ross.
Let me clear some misconceptions. To me, Ross placement is pretty good but not “omg” nor amazing. One can look up the employment data at their website and decide for him/herself. Keep in mind the BBA program has close to 500 students per class; to me, the brightest spot they got was the 9 grads being placed to GS but that’s 9 out of almost 500. Good perhaps but amazing? Maybe not. I am not sure if all went to investment banking division anyway, probably not. Investment banking isn’t really what it used to be in the 1990s and the first half of 2000s anyway (I was told it’s considered boring in the 70s); the industry has gotten a bad rep since the 2008 financial crisis (justifiably so). Other than the GS placement, nothing else really jumps out as particularly great when you consider the large class size. The largest numbers went to EY, Deloitte, and PwC but they were mostly audit jobs for the accounting majors. These days, the best gigs are in the tech industry in Silicon Valley or management consulting.
Because Northwestern didn’t publish detailed employment data for the Kellogg certificate programs, the only direct comparison available is between the two MBA programs. There’s a noticeable gap - Kellogg MBA grads got higher pay jobs and noticeably higher number went to the most prestigious companies (in the most extreme case, 12 Kellogg grad went to Apple vs none from Ross).
I am almost certain Kellogg certificate programs for undergrads (CPU) have better placement than Ross for three reasons:
- CPU students have access to Kellogg’s resources, including a full-time career coach who works solely for the Kellogg cert program.
- Northwestern has a MMSS (mathematical methods for social sciences) program and according to the placement stats available on its website, MMSS placed proportionally more grads to GS, Bains, BCG, and McKinsey in 2014 even though MMSS grads did not have access to Kellogg recruiting. With around 50 students per class, MMSS is about 10 times smaller than Ross.
- The CPU students take graduate level courses in the program and the pre-reqs are upper-level courses in stats and probability, honors calculus and linear algebra, econometrics, and optimization. The best part of it is that all CPU students have primary majors, mostly in liberal arts or engineering. So the stigma that BBA is a trade and shallow doesn’t apply to CPU. People debate the merit of undergrad business programs; the curriculum at Northwestern takes care of the issue because it got the best of both world. The program can therefore differentiate its grads from thousands of other students, including other BBA grads.
Regarding admission to the Kellogg cert programs, as mentioned before, the Kellogg certificate programs are highly quantitative and rigorous; it’s not everyone’s cup of tea. The admission rates have been high due to self-selection and around 75-80%.
Personally, I’d go the pre-admit route to Ross over MAYBE being an admit to one of the very selective specialty programs at NU that may or may not be personally appealing.
ChaChaanTeng,
You do understand that class size of pre admitted students is less than 80? It is harder to get directly into Ross than Northwestern.
Northwestern is an excellent school, having both option is a very nice problem to have but under no circumstance is Ross choice second best.
You will need Kellogg MBA to compete with Ross undergraduates. As for “network”, particularly in NYC, you cannot do better than Ross, maybe Wharton.
Alright, thank you for everyone’s responses so far. @baulge, @carlsandburgsr, I got my email notifying my that my decision for Ross was in around 5pm central yesterday. It gave me instructions to log in and check my Wolverine Access Account.
@ChaChaanTang, could you please link the sources where you found these exact numbers? I have friends in both schools, and I’m well acquainted with the school sites as well. But for the life of me, I can’t find the exact undergraduate economics employment statistics for Northwestern, nor it’s admission rate’s into the certificate programs. As for Michigan, I do in fact have their employment data, but it only lists the top employers as far as I know, not the exact numbers of who got into where
And also a point of clarification: I’m trying to judge the relative prestige of the two schools/programs in terms of life preparedness (job placement, earnings, alumni network,etc). So please feel free to talk about these things and bring up links and sources.
“As for “network”, particularly in NYC, you cannot do better than Ross, maybe Wharton.”
That statement is hyperbolic. There are quite a few schools that trump Ross in NYC besides Wharton for networking. Starting with Harvard, etc. etc.
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Stern in NYC trumps Ross.
“Let me clear some misconceptions.”
Really? You are “clearing misconceptions” by extrapolating (comparing a tiny quantitative program at NU to a major college at Michigan) and associating a certificate program to an MBA program? 
“To me, Ross placement is pretty good but not “omg” nor amazing. One can look up the EMPLOYMENT data at their website and decide for him/herself.”
I think that is a good idea ChachaanTang. To some, Ross’ placement figures are impressive, while to others, they are merely good. It indeed depends on one’s own point of view. With the exception of Wharton, which is obviously in its own league, there aren’t any BBA programs with significantly better placement figures than Ross. I would say Haas, McDonough, McIntire, Sloan and Stern all have similar placement figures to Ross.
https://michiganross.umich.edu/sites/default/files/uploads/Community/pdfs/recruiters_guide_lr_f.pdf
http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/employmentdata2013.pdf
“Keep in mind the BBA program has close to 500 students per class; to me, the brightest spot they got was the 9 grads being placed to GS but that’s 9 out of almost 500.”
Actually, the class is closer to 400 (423 to be exact). And I am not sure how or why you singled out GS as the sole bright spot. I think 12 placements into McKinsey, BCG and Bain is also pretty solid. So are 12 placements at Citi, 7 at JPM, 4 at MS, 7 at Microsoft, 2 at Google etc…
“Because Northwestern didn’t publish detailed employment data for the Kellogg certificate programs, the only direct comparison available is between the two MBA programs.”
This is where things get a little “fuzzy”. Are you suggesting that students enrolled in the Kellogg Certificate Programs have access to the same recruitment office as Kellogg MBAs. When McKinsey comes to recruit Kellogg MBAs, does it have a separate schedule dedicated to Certificate students? Please clarify, because it was my understanding that Certificate students merely had access to counseling services and alumni contacts. That is not the same thing as having access to Kellogg’s career office, or as having the Kellogg career office working to ensure your placement. Also, one cannot ignore the benefits of a three year program as opposed to a one year program during one’s senior year. By the time Ross students enter their senior year, they would have been in Ross’ BBA program for two full years and benefited from 2 summer internships. Kellogg Certificate students do not have such a benefit. They are selected for the program at the end of their Junior year and have no internships as a result of their placement into the program. But like I said, please clarify your statement above. Do Kellogg Certificate students have the same access to the Kellogg Career Office as Kellogg MBA students? I can confirm that in the case of Ross, BBA students have the same access to the career office as MBA students.
“There’s a noticeable gap - Kellogg MBA grads got higher pay jobs and noticeably higher number went to the most prestigious companies (in the most extreme case, 12 Kellogg grad went to Apple vs none from Ross).”
Let me start by saying that I acknowledge that Kellogg is a notch better than Ross. There is no doubt about it. Kellogg is comparable to Booth and Sloan whereas Ross is more like Columbia BS, Haas, Fuqua, Stern Tuck and Yale SOM. That being said, starting salaries for Ross MBAs ($115,000 base, $140,000 including bonuses) are identical as starting salaries for Kellogg MBAs ($119,000 base, $136,000 including bonuses).
"I am almost certain Kellogg certificate programs for undergrads (CPU) have better placement than Ross for three reasons:
- CPU students have access to Kellogg’s resources, including a full-time career coach who works solely for the Kellogg cert program."
Again, please elaborate. I was under the impression that companies do not recruit Kellogg Certificate programs through the Kellogg Career office.
“2. Northwestern has a MMSS (mathematical methods for social sciences) program and according to the placement stats available on its website, MMSS placed proportionally more grads to GS, Bains, BCG, and McKinsey in 2014 even though MMSS grads did not have access to Kellogg recruiting. With around 50 students per class, MMSS is about 10 times smaller than Ross.”
I am not sure how that is indicative of anything. The MMSS class is 40. Comparing a program with a class of 300 to a program with a class of 400 or a program with a class of 400 to a program with a class of 600 is certainly relevant. Comparing a highly specialised program with only 40 students per class to a more comprehensive program with 400 students per class is completely pointless. Even if those companies each recruit 1 MMSS student, it will be proportionately higher than virtually all BBA programs, including Wharton. Placing 7 or 8 MMSS student into the top 4 consulting firms and BB IBanks as has been the case over the last two years is not impressive. Ross places over 60 each year. Here are the MMSS placements for the last 2 years. 15 of 72 placed in one of the 4 main consulting firms or a major BB IBank, but the majority were placed in pretty standard companies. considering the tiny size of the program, and its extremely competitive nature, those numbers are actually quite subdued.
http://www.mmss.northwestern.edu/undergraduate/employment-placements.html
“3. The CPU students take graduate level courses in the program and the pre-reqs are upper-level courses in stats and probability, honors calculus and linear algebra, econometrics, and optimization. The best part of it is that all CPU students have primary majors, mostly in liberal arts or engineering. So the stigma that BBA is a TRADE and shallow doesn’t apply to CPU. People debate the merit of undergrad business programs; the curriculum at Northwestern takes care of the issue because it got the best of both world. The program can therefore differentiate its grads from thousands of other students, including other BBA grads.”
This is a valid point. When it comes to course rigor, there is no doubt that the Kellogg Certificate program is impressive.
“Regarding admission to the Kellogg cert programs, as mentioned before, the Kellogg certificate programs are highly quantitative and rigorous; it’s not everyone’s cup of tea. The admission rates have been high due to self-selection and around 75-80%.”
Here’s another problem ChaChaanTang. As you point out, the Certificate programs are extremely rigorous academically. Only the best of the best at NU will bother to apply, and even among those, there is no guarantee of getting into the programs. It is a very big risk, regardless.
“Stern in NYC trumps Ross.”
Definitely in sheer number, but not in terms of placement rates or reputation. Stern is no more effective at placing graduates than BBA programs such as McDonough, McIntire and Ross.
OP,
For Kellogg employment stats, go to Programs -> Full Time MBA -> click “Career Path”. Scroll down a little and the full report will be on your right.
For Ross employment stats, scroll down to the bottom for links under “Employment Data”. The numbers placed to specific firms are in the “Recruiters Guide” link while the “MBA employment data” gives high level stats.
There’s no detailed employment stats for econ majors at Northwestern. The only detailed employment stats for undergrads is the one on MMSS’s website. My guess is econ major alone may not place as well as Ross; but econ + Kellogg certificate, as I detailed above, should put you in better position overall. Obviously, there are some employers that are “used” to Ross; but overall, I believe the uniqueness and advanced treatment of the certificate programs would differentiate you more from others. It seems to me Northwestern place more / better into consulting than high finance (investment banking). The advanced technical skills from the Kellogg cert will be more more applicable to consulting or trading; investment banking entails a lot of busy administrative work at the associate level. Many people have this romantic idea about financial modeling; there’s really not a lot of room to exercise that at the staff level and even if you get involved, valuation isn’t rocket science and is often more of an art. Overall, having a great personality, drive, ability to suck up long hours (and maybe mean superiors within the narcissistic culture), and ability to BS are probably the most important skills. That’s why the industry like hiring grads from top schools even without any finance background.
While placement is a valid consideration, you should also evaluate based on your academic and what you see yourself possibly doing in the future. Do you want a traditional BBA? Or do you want to major in econ or whatever but supplement it with the more focused and highly quantitative courses. Do you think you may become a CPA? The BBA program + 1 extra year would give you courses to fulfill the educational requirement. Do you like math? Do you see yourself involved in data analytics? the Kellogg cert programs would equip you better in that field.
ChaChaangTang, I think your perception is off. Ross most liekly trumps NU Econ. With the Certificate or MMSS programs, then perhaps placement is as good as Ross, but like the data clearly shows, that is by no means clear. There just isn’t enough of a sample size to draw any real comparison. You seem to think that Management Consulting, IBanking and Tech jobs are best, and I agree for the most part. But when only 7-8 MMSS students each year join the top consulting, IBanking and Tech companies, it is hard to draw any conclusion. Michigan has 70-80 (out of 400 or so) BBA graduates joining those types of firms (Bain, BCG, McKinsey, Citi, Barclays, GS, Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Deutschebank, Google, Microsoft, IBM, Apple, Cisco, Intel etc…). Proportionately, the numbers may be similar, but a specialty program with just 40 students per class cannot be compared to a major program with 400 students per class.
And let us not assume that the OP will definitely get into one of the Certificate programs. Considering the extremely demanding eligibility requirements for the Certification programs, t is risky at best.
Having visited both schools and having friends in both, I’m of this opinion: Northwestern has the more rigorous overall curriculum, but given my interest in business, Michigan + Ross has a better combination for me. Also, Northwestern’s only 40 minutes away from my house, so I’m already know what half the main campus is like - is Michigan easy to navigate?
HOWEVER, one of my family friends went to Northwestern and did Econ, and now she’s in Goldman Sachs and doing quite nicely. As such, my parents are of the opinion that it’s better to get the extra versatility Northwestern offers (And since they’re paying…)
@ChaChaanTeng: Thanks for the graduate info, but right now I’m more concerned with the undergraduate programs rather than the graduate level. Is there any direct undergraduate employment comparisons between the two that you’ve found?
I’d also like to bring up one key thing that might help, especially if there’s also northwestern alum who can answer me. I’m set to have finished 13 AP classes by the time I graduate. The classes I’ve finished are as follows: Calc BC (5), Bio (5), APUSH (5), Physics B (5), Human Geo (5), English Language and Comp (4), Chinese (4). I’m currently taking 6 APs this year, and expect to get the following scores: Macroeconomics (5), Microeconomics (5), Environmental Sciences (5), Statistics (5), US Government (5), English Literature and Composition (4/5; My writing has really improve thanks to my teacher).
From my own research, this means I’m currently eligible for 29 “credit hours” from UM, and up to 48 total (unless I somehow get a 3 on a test, which I’m pretty sure I won’t; not to toot my own horn of course!) @Alexandre, can you explain what this would entail for me?
As for Northwestern, I need 45 “credits” for my degree, with 12 core distribution requirements (whatever that means). I can only fulfill 2 of those max (which I’ve already done with the current APs I’ve finished). However, I also have 8 total “unit courses”, with a likely max out at 12 “unit courses” (again, assuming I get 5s and 4s on the AP tests)
Finally, I’m currently taking two dual enrollment courses for college credit through Oakton Community College. I’ve completed Multivariable Calculus (B+ semester grade; darn lol), and am currently taking “Advanced Linear Algebra” (although it’s only really linear algebra; our book is the Penn State one titled “Elementary Linear Algebra”). My teacher has told me Northwestern does not accept these credits, but would Michigan?
Alums, please explain your school’s AP policies, and sorry for all these questions!
You can make Michigan as rigorous as you wish…as rigorous as Northwestern if that is your desire. Ross with a double major in Mathematics for instance. Michigan’s Mathematics program, factoring in its Honors Sequences, is considered one of the top 5 in the nation. As such, you can get the academic/intellectual rigor that you desire and in the end, benefit from the professional placement of Ross. You could even double major in Economics and Mathematics and minor from Ross is you prefer. As such, I do not think a degree from Northwestern is more “versatile”. You cannot go wrong with either really. NU and Michigan can both give you the intellectual and academic challenge that you seek and, in the end, the professional placement that you desire. Go with your gut.
- Blackstone Group is one of the most prestigious PRIVATE EQUITY firms. Strategy& was formerly Booz & Co. AQR Capital, Analysis Group, and Bates White..etc. are also not "pretty standard". AQR Capital is an asset management company specializing in equity hedge funds and other alternative (a.k.a. high risk high return) investments. It got $120 billions AUM, huge for a firm with only 500 employees. Analysis Group and Bates White are boutique economic consulting/research firms. These three firms particularly value the quantitative background MMSS students bring. Just because you are not well versed in that space and are not familiar with them doesn't mean they are "pretty standard". In fact, these three companies are harder to get in than many of the companies you mentioned in that they usually hire only graduate students, not undergrads.
- MMSS isn't "extremely competitive". Most applicants got in as long as they got into NU. The only criteria is you have good math scores but then most that got into NU got them anyway.
- MMSS isn't a business program. Many students were never interested in banks. The only thing that's common among the students is that they are good at math. You can't judge their placement based on how many got placed into the banks if many never applied. The analytical and quantitative nature of the program means the students are more likely to find jobs that utilize the quantitative skills they have. That's why the overrepresentation of consulting and economic/financial research positions and then a couple in private equity and hedge fund management. Like I mentioned, they regularly land positions with firms that typically hire only graduate students (MBAs and PhDs only).
- Other than BCG, Bains, McKinsey, GS, and Google, all the other firms you mentioned are not necessarily better jobs than others like Accenture. For example, it's not that difficult to land a job with IBM in DC for the Federal consulting. Many entry-level positions in big companies like those aren't really the most competitive. Among the banks, you have no idea how many of those are not related to retail banking, commercial banking instead of investment banking anyway. The numbers I got was 61 to be exact, not 70-80. Also, there's nobody listed for Apple or Cisco.
- Kellogg certificate programs start in junior year, not senior year.
- Kellogg certificate students have their own "internship database" on Kellogg's website. The career coach is a full-time employee at the Kellogg school. Kellogg also actively market to employers on the program's behalf; the resume book has over 300 companies looking at it. Obviously, Kellogg certificate students don't apply for the same positions Kellogg MBA students do when the positions ask for MBAs only. I'd also like to point out that many Kellogg certificate students work on research done by Kellogg professors.
- Regarding the starting MBA salary, I guess you got that $140,000 from US News. Well, either Michigan misreported their number or if not, other schools understated their numbers. Go to their respective employment reports, Kellogg grads reported higher numbers across the board, bonus included or not. The fact that Michigan's reported number matches Berkeley/Columbia that are ranked higher and located in higher cost areas should give you an immediate clue that Michigan's reported number is likely inaccurate.
- As for getting the equivalent, double-majoring in math is an overkill if the motive behind is trying to get the practical quant skill. One would have to deal with bunch of materials with no practical use. MMSS was created exactly because of the disconnect between math and social sciences/econ when they are taught separately by separate departments.
“Blackstone Group is one of the most prestigious PRIVATE EQUITY firms. Strategy& was formerly Booz & Co. AQR Capital, Analysis Group, and Bates White…etc. are also not “pretty standard”. AQR Capital is an asset management company specializing in equity hedge funds and other alternative (a.k.a. high risk high return) investments. It got $120 billions AUM, huge for a firm with only 500 employees. Analysis Group and Bates White are boutique economic consulting/research firms. These three firms particularly value the quantitative background MMSS students bring. Just because you are not well versed in that space and are not familiar with them doesn’t mean they are “pretty standard”. In fact, these three companies are harder to get in than many of the companies you mentioned in that they usually hire only graduate students, not undergrads.”
I included Blackstone in the 7 and 8 figure. But you should know that according to the Blackstone website, there are almost twice as many Michigan alums as there are Northwestern alums. And I am well versed indeed in the others as well, but I did not include them because there is no way of knowing how many Ross students accepted similar jobs since boutiques and PE firms do not recruit 10 or more graduates from Ross, and are therefore not listed. Do not assume I am ignorant simply because I did not graduate from Northwestern.
“Other than BCG, Bains, McKinsey, GS, and Google, all the other firms you mentioned are not necessarily better jobs than others like Accenture. For example, it’s not that difficult to land a job with IBM in DC for the Federal consulting. Many entry-level positions in big companies like those aren’t really the most competitive.”
Really, a job with Morgan Stanley, JP Morgan, Deutsche, Citi, Barclays, etc…is no better than a job with Accenture? If you wish, we can add Accenture to the list. Ross habitually places between 5 and 7 of its graduates in Accenture, but I do not think that it is comparable to a BB IBank, or one of the main consulting companies.
“Among the banks, you have no idea how many of those are not related to retail banking, commercial banking instead of INVESTMENT banking anyway. The numbers I got was 61 to be exact, not 70-80. Also, there’s nobody listed for Apple or Cisco.”
First of all, very few Banks recruits at Ross for their Commercial Banking division. Secondly, your 61 includes only companies that recruit 10 or more Ross graduates and interns (MBA and BBA). My 70-80 includes companies like Apple, Blackstone, Lazard and several boutique PE and VC firms also recruit Ross undergrads, but no more than 5 or 6 when you include both MBA and BBA graduates. However, when you add all of those firms together, they add up to 10 or more full time hires of BBA graduates.
Cisco usually recruits more than 10 Ross students in total, and of those, they recruit at least 1 (sometimes as many as 5 or 6 in a given year, like in 2009, 2011 and 2013). It just so happens that no Ross BBA graduate accepted an offer from Cisco in 2012 and 2014. But if you look at the 2013 report (the link for that one is provided below), you will see that 5 Ross BBAs joined Cisco in 2013. In 2011, 6 joined Cisco.
“As for getting the equivalent, double-majoring in math is an overkill if the motive behind is trying to get the practical quant skill. One would have to deal with bunch of materials with no practical use. MMSS was created exactly because of the disconnect between math and social sciences/econ when they are taught separately by separate departments.”
That is why Michigan offers different types of Mathematics concentrations. If you are indeed only interested in a certain type of Mathematics, rather than Pure Mathematics, you can major in Applied Mathematics or Financial Mathematics, both of which are offered by the Mathematics departments and still pursue a BBA from Ross.
“Regarding the starting MBA salary, I guess you got that $140,000 from US News. Well, either Michigan misreported their number or if not, other schools understated their numbers. Go to their respective EMPLOYMENT reports, Kellogg grads reported higher numbers across the board, bonus included or not. The fact that Michigan’s reported number matches Berkeley/Columbia that are ranked higher and located in higher cost areas should give you an immediate clue that Michigan’s reported number is likely inaccurate.”
You really think that a program is “better” because it ranked higher? #7 (Cal) or #9 (Columbia) are not necessarily better than #11 (Michigan). Those are all considered peers. Kellogg is admittedly a cut above, but that does not mean that its graduates get better jobs. At that level (top 10 or 15 MBA programs), graduates are treated virtually the same, unless we are talking about HBS, SBS and Wharton.
And I am not sure what “EMPLOYMENT” reports you are referring to that would should Kellogg graduates reporting higher numbers across the board. Below are some comparisons of median starting salaries (not including bonuses) by industry according to their respective 2013 reports:
CONSULTING (median)
Columbia $135,000
Haas $135,000
Kellogg $135,000
Ross $135,000
FINANCE (mean/median)
Columbia $110,000
Haas $100,000
Kellogg $111,000
Ross $100,000
TECHNOLOGY AND TELECOM
Columbia $110,000
Haas $120,000
Kellogg $118,000
Ross $112,000
Clearly, while you seem to think there is a night and day difference between #6 or #7 and #11, employers do not think so.
http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/employmentdata2013.pdf
http://www8.gsb.columbia.edu/recruiters/sites/recruiters/files/pdfs/CBS_EmploymentReport13.pdf
http://haas.berkeley.edu/groups/careercenter/reports/13_14ReportSummary.pdf
I think the problem here is that you do not respect Michigan adequately. It is on par with Northwestern as an institution (in some ways better and in other ways not as good). That being said, I do not believe that Northwestern has any program that can compete with Ross in the sheer number of employment opportunities it offers. If we were comparing NU Econ to Michigan Econ, I would give the slight edge to Northwestern, primarily because the presence of an elite BBA program, Ross in the case of Michigan, will inevitably cannibalize on opportunities available to LSA students. However, Ross vs NU Econ, the slight edge goes to Ross. I admittedly do not know enough about the Kellogg Certificate Programs to speak to it, but in order for you to prove that it is indeed superior to Ross in terms of placement, you will have to provide actual placement data from the source, and for some very strange reason, NU does not publish such a report.
Another important aspect in this case is the fact that Ross is a virtual guarantee, while the Kellogg Certificate Program is by no means a certainty. If the OP wants an academically rigorous program with the best placement options, I recommend a Ross/Mathematics double major over NU. It is a safer bet.