<p>I am currently a rising senior looking to study business in college(finance in particular). And i was wondering what people thought about michigans program vs indiana's business school? Is one better than the other? And also how much consideration should i place on the admissions process for the business programs? At iu, i will have direct admitance into kelley school of business as opposed tothe very competitive application process for ross after the freshman year... So what are your thoughts on kelley vs ross..?</p>
<p>You can apply to both Kelley and Ross as a high school senior, but keep in mind Ross is much harder to get into as a pre-admit. I have absolutely nothing against Kelley or Indiana in general (I got into Kelley and considered going there) but there is no denying that they are not as tough to get accepted to as Ross or Michigan. However, I have heard nothing but good things about both business schools and both of their career centers and job rates are supposedly great. The good news is that even if you don’t get into either business school as a freshman, you still can get admitted to Michigan or Indiana in general for your freshman year.</p>
<p>Ross is generally considered a notch or two above Kelley. However, it is much harder to get pre-admitted to Ross than to Kelley. Most kids at Ross end up going entering as a freshman in LSA or engineering and applying to Ross after freshman year - many get rejected. So, if you know you want to study finance and you don’t get pre-admitted to Ross, you may want to go with Kelley instead of risking the possibility of not getting into Ross. Conversely, Michigan’s better than Indiana in most other programs, so if you’re not completely sure you want to do finance, Michigan will be a better fit academically.</p>
<p>Thanks for all of your advice so far. Indiana said that if you had a 1270 and a 3.7 gpa that you are a direct admit as a freshman. I meet both of those requirements but doubt that i will get direct admissions to Ross. Obviously both business schools are good, but will Ross really give me many more opportunities? Is it worth the risk of having to apply after my freshman year?</p>
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<p>It is worth the risk. After your freshman year, apply for transfer to Kelley too, just in case, and if you really want to do business. But Ross is much better than Kelley in terms of student body quality, reputation, and career services.</p>
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Ross isn’t “much better” than Kelley. As someone who actually has experience in the business world, I can tell you that graduates of both schools are well-regarded and well-represented in the top accounting, marketing, investment banking and consulting firms. I do think Ross has a slightly better reputation and career services center, but the difference is not something to pick one or the other over if you want a quality business education. The University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School is the only undergraduate business school out there that is “much better” than Kelley or Ross for that matter.</p>
<p>I would advise the OP to try your hand at both schools and go to Kelley if you are sure about undergrad business than spend a fruitless year at Michigan worrying about Ross’s erratic and nerve-wracking admissions process.</p>
<p>“As someone who actually has experience in the business world”</p>
<p>I wonder what experience you are speaking of.</p>
<p>had to delete the rest of the info…decided it’s not worth it…</p>
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<p>ROFL. </p>
<p>Why weren’t you smart enough to get into Ross? </p>
<p>Ross > Duke Econ.</p>
<p>Michigan = Duke >>> Indiana</p>
<p>A school like Kelley would accept your sorry arse freshman year, but Ross wouldn’t, because they actually want smarter students. Ross has better placement than Kelley into top banking and consulting firms. </p>
<p>Nash3, have a look at the employment profile of Ross. It’s absolutely amazing.</p>
<p><a href=“http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2008.pdf[/url]”>http://www.bus.umich.edu/pdf/EmploymentProfile2008.pdf</a></p>
<p>Bitter, bitter, bitter. Why rof hangs around the Michigan boards so much is a mystery to me.</p>
<p>Form reading your responses, i’m gathering that the general consensus is that both are good business school, with Ross being slightly better. Although after visiting both, I felt Indiana might be a better fit for me (i loved Michigan too though, and the new business building was incomparable). Since Ross is only slightly better than Kelley, i feel that it would be a mistake perhaps to pass up Kelley’s direct admit, and try to apply to Ross in the super competitive process. Thoughts?</p>
<p>The other two schools that are near the top of my list are Penn State and Notre Dame… how do their business schools compare to Kelley and Ross?</p>
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<p>Ross is not slightly better than Kelley. The difference is considerable, and going to Ross will give you access to a number of banking and consulting firms that don’t recruit at Kelley. At Kelley, you will have to be in the top 1 or 2 percent of your graduating class, as well as be a member of this investment banking workshop to catch the recruiters attention. Ross has much better connections on Wall Street (if you’re interested) and a better reputation among firms. </p>
<p>It is definitely worth the risk to go to Michigan. Why don’t you challenge yourself and aim for a better program? Work hard your freshman year and you’ll reap the benefits. Don’t let the fact that you’ll have to wait until the end of freshman year to apply to Ross put you down. It is certainly possible and not as difficult as some people say it is. You can always apply to Kelley for transfer just in case you don’t get in. </p>
<p>Notre Dame is comparable to Ross for Business. However, PSU is in a league below. I would rank them in the following order 1) Ross, Notre Dame 2) Kelley, 3) PSU</p>
<p>@ OP: Even if you end up getting rejected from Ross, you can always try transferring to Kelley like Mightynick said. Or you could study financial math/econ with LSA, which are also excellent programs. If you graduate with a good GPA from Michigan LSA, you’ll have just as many opportunities as a mediocre student from Kelley, despite Kelley’s better career center.</p>
<p>Ross is top tier, Kelley is at the top of the second tier. Ross is much more respected in the business world and they do much better recruiting wise. Notre Dame’s Mendoza school is about equal to Ross. Also important to note that Mendoza does not accept transfer students. Ross and Mendoza are among the top 5 undergraduate programs in the country.</p>
<p>ross and notre dame business are both more or less equal and fit into the “top 5 but not wharton” tier. if your choice is between these firms, definitely go with fit when making your choice.</p>
<p>kelley is by no means in ross or mendoza’s league. some elite firms recruit there, but mostly for regional (chicago) offices, and even then you’d better be near the very top of your (fairly large) class to even have a shot. </p>
<p>kelley’s probably slightly better than penn state, though i’m sure mightynick has more insight into that one though as if i remember correctly he transferred to ross from there.</p>
<p>okay thanks everyone for their insight, but i’m going to throw one more school out there and see what everyone thinks. NYU? I’m guessing for finance NYU is the place to go. Would it be worth it to go to NYU over Notre Dame or Michigan where the campus and setting might be more enjoyable. Both Notre Dame and Michigan have beautiful campuses, and i think that the relaxing atmosphere might not be there at NYU. So would it be worth sacrificing the “college setting and experience” for the NYU finance degree?</p>
<p>Yes, stern is worth looking into also.</p>
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<p>Is it worth it? You tell me.</p>
<p>Stern, Ross, and Notre Dame are basically in the same tier when it comes to reputation. Going to one school over another will not improve your chances of getting a particular type of job (although consulting firms recruit more at Ross than Stern, but the difference is cancelled out by the larger number of firms that would recruit at Stern because of its proximity to Wall Street and its presenece in the financial capital of the world). </p>
<p>Notre Dame and Stern are both more expensive than Ross (even for out of state). Stern is a good 8-9K more expensive than Ross, per year. The campus and setting of NYU is not more enjoyable than Ann Arbor (not commenting on Notre Dame because I do not have sufficient knowledge about its location and setting). In fact, I have quite a few friends that go to NYU and I remember from 2-3 years ago that all of them were so excited about going to school in the city. Now, none of them say they like the campus and say they got tired of the city and wished they went to a school with a more traditional campus setting. I am pretty sure that over the course of four years, you will enjoy Ann Arbor more.</p>
<p>Stern has a slight advantage over Ross for Finance, but it is negligible. The major banks recruit a lot at Michigan for their New York offices, so I don’t think going to NYU for a “finance degree” is going to give you that much of an advantage. In fact, if you’re not entirely certain that you’re going into Investment Banking, it doesn’t make sense to go to Stern just because it has better placement in Finance. If you want a comparision, you can look at the rankings - Wharton, Stern, and Ross are ranked 1,2 and 3 respectively for Finance. </p>
<p>As for Penn State, I believe it is ranked #21 for Business by US News. That’s a pretty significant drop from 3 (ross), 5 (stern) or kelley (11). However, I think it is closer to Kelley than Kelley is to Ross in terms of reputation and overall placement. I personally didn’t like the school too much because of its reputation as a party school (#1 this year), lack of diversity, and its lack of appeal to the major banking and consulting firms. Since I was out of state for both universities, I wanted more bang for my buck, and chose to transfer.</p>
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I agree with MightyNick. It really doesn’t matter. These three schools are some of the best in the nation for undergrad business. The graduates all find great job. The difference are really tiny. You can’t really rank these schools properly, they are so similar. I would say the at NYU your might have a better chance at finding big internship (only because it is in NYC). But you can find great internship from Ross. Opportunity to find jobs from Ross and Stern are both great, both school has a lot of connections with big companies and banks (I’m not that familiar with Kelly). Really you have to pick out which one you would want to spend the four years in. Which one would you have a good time living in.</p>
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You don’t know anything about business numbnuts. You’re just another ambitious kid with his head in the clouds. The OP has clearly stated that Indiana is a better fit for him and you’re still trying to push him towards Ross, which admission to is by no means guaranteed for him with his stats.</p>
<p>If the OP does well in Indiana, which he should if the school is a better fit, there is not a SINGLE firm or bank he can’t get an offer from he networks and meets deadlines. There’s definitely enough Kelley alum on The Street to help him out too.</p>
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Why were you too stupid to get into a school better than Michigan? I had near perfect test scores, a good GPA after having taken the most AP classes in my school’s history and several good leadership positions and I didn’t get in preadmit. Nothing to be ashamed of on my part. I got waitlisted to Wharton too by the way and I applied RD and didn’t spend too much time on my application.</p>
<p>Duke>>Ross>Michigan LSA=Kelley</p>
<p>Someone who has actually recruited for a top investment bank for 25 years has said that Ross is not the same level target that Duke and Dartmouth is. Obviously, a kid still in college like you who will probably never get a job in the field knows more about it than her.:rolleyes:</p>
<p>Keep telling your deluded self that duke is better than Michigan :)</p>