<p>Okay so I was pretty sure about attending Stern...but like many people, I am just being a bit doubtful.</p>
<p>What do you guys think about the two relative to eachother?</p>
<p>I am leaning toward International Business or Finance...</p>
<p>Maybe pros and cons of both?</p>
<p>Stern provides more opportunities for its students while Ross is less cutthroat and more enjoyable (with the U of M atmosphere). I think you’d be a better fit at Stern though, having taken a look at your stats on one of your chance threads.</p>
<p>hmm thanks…I appreciate it!</p>
<p>honestly, these schools are so different! Each one has a different feel. While their business schools are pretty comparable academically nyu is in the middle of nyc with no campus, no sports, and no greek life while umich is pretty much the opposite. I would choose based on fit .only you know which one of these schools is more your type.</p>
<p>Stern does not provide more opportunities. In fact, it is the other way around. The only exception is Investment Banking, where Stern = Ross.</p>
<p>The only reason I would suggest Stern over Ross is if you were 100% sure you would attempt to get an internship on Wall Street.</p>
<p>I love New York (I am from Manhattan) and lived there for many years, but let me tell you, the glamor of New York wears off real quick. Tourists idolize the restaurants, skyscrapers, clubs, and night life, but not everyone is cut out for that. If you love the city, then sure, go ahead. But be warned that NYU has a ton of criticism against it. Students complain about lack of school spirit, lack of student activity, and poor financial aid. </p>
<p>This is all stuff I heard from campus reports and students off the NYU board though. All those complaints are fairly common though. If money isn’t much of an issue and you don’t care about those problems listed. Then NYU is a good choice.</p>
<p>If you like the “college” feel, big on school spirit, like to be involved, and want to still live in an awesome town, go to Michigan.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, Ross kids will have to fly into and out of NY consistently, which does get annoying. Stern kids can just walk down the street.</p>
<p>^ I have said that. It takes a toll on your semester/life when you have 10 superdays and they are all at different days. You basically lose at best 1 day, and sometimes 2 days. Stern kids take a cab down a couple blocks.
Also, it basically locks up a lot of your cashflow in the process if you aren’t at least well off. The travel reimbursement I claimed this semester was almost $3000, and they usually take a long time to process. That’s $3000 liquidity loss.</p>
<p>Also, I personally find Stern’s environment better just from what I heard. People are more competitive, determined with the “eyes on the prize” mentality. And of course, demographics-wise, I’d rather be with New Yorkers/people from northeast than midwesterners.</p>
<p>Flying back and forth to NYC (in my case London) was not a big deal. I actually enjoined flying! hehe! Although it can be time-consuming, it is certainly not a reason to turn down a program.</p>
<p>And Bearcats, 50% of Ross students are OOS (10% international), so diversity within Ross is not an issue whatsover.</p>
<p>This said, bearcats does bring up a good point. Ross students tend to be laid-back team players who are as career focused as they are sociable. If one is looking for workaholic, 100% career minded classmates, Ross is not the ideal place.</p>
<p>^ That is actually why I am choosing to attend Ross over Stern.</p>
<p>It isnt a big deal if you are flying business and can actually sleep on the freaking plane or do something, unfortunately every single firm issues economy.</p>
<p>Basically being from Michigan you have 2 choices, same day (for afternoon superdays) or overnight (for morning superdays)
Wake up at around 6am. Get to airport at 7am. Fly out on the 8am flight, get to NYC around 9:30 am or so, 1 hour car ride from JFK/LGA (mostly LGA) to midtown, and chill at starbucks till usually noon. Leave on the 7pm flight, get back to detroit at 8, back in ann arbor around 9. All day gone.</p>
<p>or</p>
<p>Overnight plan for morning superdays.
Leave for DTW at 6pm. Get to DTW at 7pm. Leave on the 8pm flight. Get to hotel.
Next Morning superday, they usually then take you to lunch. Get to JFK/LGA, leave on the 2pm or 3pm flight, get back to ann arbor around 4-5pm. You lose a day’s worth of time again.</p>
<p>Travelling doesnt matter as much for a business professional who can take his/her work basically everywhere than a student.
For one, students have to go to class.
For two if you miss quizzes/test/exams you have to make them up which gets really annoying.
Also, if you miss labs, it’s really annoying to make them up, and GSIs tend to hate you a lot if you have to do a make up lab basically 4 weeks in a row because of a super day (happened to me) because they have to set up everything for you/accompany you in the lab outside of their normal work time. My GSI took it out on me by giving me a 2/10 for my class participation for the first half of the semester.
There are also a lot of assignments that you cant take onto the plane/work on from the hotel, for instance, labs, programming assignments, and more importantly group work which is a big chunk of ross classes (your teamates are gonna hate you for having to reschedule and reschedule and might take it out on you on peer assessment, especially the jealous ones who dont score as many interviews).</p>
<p>bearcats, that is the price anybody attending a target school outside of the NYC area must pay if they want to work in Wall Street. Do you think students at Brown, Cal, Chicago, Cornell, Dartmouth, Duke, Georgetown, Harvard, MIT, Northwestern, Stanford, UVa etc… have it any easier? There are only 5 target programs within reasonable proximity from NYC and they are Columbia, Stern, Princeton, Wharton and Yale. But that is not a valid reason for chosing a university where you are going to spend 4 years (and $200,000) of your life.</p>
<p>But my point is he has a choice to go to a program of the same caliber which would allow him to save all the time/effort/inconvenience. I personally think that there really isnt much to gain to warrant the large degree of hassle. Now if you are talking about Stanford vs Stern, then sure I’d say go ahead to Stanford because there is a substantial difference.</p>
<p>My point bearcats, is that college environment is more important that distance from Wall Street. A student will live in her/his college and only very occasionally have to travel to NYC. In my 4 years at Michigan, I travelled to NYC a grand total of 6-8 times for interviews and to London a dozen times at most. That’s 3-4 trips (10 days) / academic year. The remaining time is spent on campus. To some, NYU is ideal, but to most, a more traditional campus experience is preferable.</p>
<p>bc isn’t technically wrong (I will refute his point below), but it shouldn’t be a reason to pick one college over another, as Alexandre says. Essentially
sums it up. All else equal, sure, choose Stern. But the two schools are so different that all else can not possibly be equal in one’s mind – you should make your preference based on how your overall 4-year experience will be.</p>
<p>Now, something that hasn’t been made clear: Superdays are basically only on Fridays. You are an engineer, so you probably have a decent amount of class on Fridays. Ross students, on the other hand, rarely (if ever?) have classes on Fridays. The school, who’s goal is to get you a job, obviously does that on purpose to make superday travel easier. Therefore, your missing class argument doesn’t really hold.</p>
<p>Excellent point Giants.</p>
<p>have you visited the schools? there’s a big demographic difference between the two schools. Ross has a pretty balanced demographic while NYU Stern is like 85% Asian. Also, I have had many friends graduate from Stern over the years, the Stern building facilities are pieces of crap. My high school looked better than the inside of the Stern building. </p>
<p>When I was in hs, I considered applying to Stern until I visited, ur paying that much money for THAT? Worth a visit.</p>
<p>Giant, that is simply not true. </p>
<p>I had my UBS equities superday on Tuesday and UBS fixed income superday on a Wednesday. The reason I remembered was because I flew out that Monday and flew back Thursday morning, had an on campus Bain first round, and flew back out that night for a Friday Superday with MS. I basically lost my whole week that week.</p>
<p>I also had my citi superday on a Wednesday. GS Commodities (formerly J Aron) had my superday spanning Thursday and Friday. JPM Commodities (formerly Bear Energy) had my superday on a Monday. Barcap had my superday on a weekday (I forgot which day) and so did BAML capital markets and Jane Street Capital.</p>
<p>You get the idea. Just because you are lucky you got all Friday superdays (most likely because you didnt have 10+ superdays and didnt need to make use of a lot of alternate superdays) doesnt mean it’s true for everyone. Companies schedule non-Friday alternate superdays because every company interview kids within a span of 3-4 weeks. If superdays were only held on Fridays, some kids (most likely the better ones with tons of superdays) wont be able to interview with certain firms because they would only be able to be at one superday every friday. For that reason, almost every firm has their alternate superdays during the week. </p>
<p>“you should make your preference based on how your overall 4-year experience will be.”
I guess that’s where we differ. For me, college is just a path to my desired career. (and that is even more true for business school, considering liberal arts college, at least theoretically, is supposed to teach a person how to think; this has always been the argument against an undergrad bschool for the top elites HYPS) I could care less how my life is in my 4 years as long as I build a good network and end up where my goal lies. I tend to think long term. In fact, that’s why I have been kicking myself in the nuts for going to Michigan. I also bought into the “mythical college culture is very important” nonsense when I chose college and end up choosing Michigan over Wharton. </p>
<p>Fact is, you dont know if you would like the culture until you get to the campus. I certainly thought I would like the Michigan “college environment” and turns out its really not my cup of tea. So choosing based on something you arent even certain about, from my point of view, is a mistake.</p>
<p>"I guess that’s where we differ. For me, college is just a path to my desired career. (and that is even more true for business school, considering liberal arts college, at least theoretically, is supposed to teach a person how to think; this has always been the argument against an undergrad bschool for the top elites HYPS) I could care less how my life is in my 4 years as long as I build a good network and end up where my goal lies. I tend to think long term. In fact, that’s why I have been kicking myself in the nuts for going to Michigan. I also bought into the “mythical college culture is very important” nonsense when I chose college and end up choosing Michigan over Wharton. </p>
<p>Fact is, you dont know if you would like the culture until you get to the campus. I certainly thought I would like the Michigan “college environment” and turns out its really not my cup of tea. So choosing based on something you arent even certain about, from my point of view, is a mistake. "</p>
<p>I actually approached graduate school the way you approach your undergraduate experience. For graduate school, I didn’t care as much about the experience as I did about my career path. But for undergrad though, I really wanted to balance the three main components: Academics, Social, Professional. Most students aren’t like you bearcats. Most students want a lively and fun colegiate experience with great facilities, school spirit, excellent faculty, top ranked programs AND when the time comes, a degree that will open doors to graduate programs and desired careers. </p>
<p>But I agree that many students are like you, and for such students, Michigan is obviously not necessarily the ideal environment.</p>
<p>For bearcats I would have suggested some online school. ;-)</p>