RPI versus Calpoly

<p>My son is leaning towards CalPoly because it is cheaper than RPI in the long run if he can become an in-state resident. He is not getting a scholarship from CalPoly but he intends to claim himself in-state after living there a whole year. RPI has given him scholarships but there will be large loans upon graduation.</p>

<p>He will need to coop to pay for his college expenses. He will major in aerospace engineering. He wants to build/design orbital habitats and or satellites. He is hoping to take some architecturing classes.</p>

<p>Which of the 2 colleges can offer him the best classes or resources to be prepared for this type of job? </p>

<p>Also what other colleges could have been a better fit? He was accepted to Purdue but that was $$ out of our reach. He was deferred then finally rejected at MIT. CalTech came to his HS college night looking for him but my son did not want to apply there.</p>

<p>tia</p>

<p>You need to look carefully if he can really switch residency so easily. Just going to school in California for a year is probably NOT enough to establish residency. Make sure you have investigated this thoroughly before making any decisions.</p>

<p>any aero comment about the 2 schools?</p>

<p>Some factors to consider:</p>

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<li><p>It is, as suggested above, very difficult to qualify for in-state status after you have enrolled in a CSU system. It is likely to be even more difficult in the coming years, due to the current California Budget Crisis. In fact, it is not far-fetched to predict that, with the budget crisis, fees for out of state students will only go up, not down.</p></li>
<li><p>Speaking of the California budget crisis, I would pay close attention to how it might impact programs at Cal Poly. During the last budget crisis in 2004-2005, the aerospace department at Cal Poly was hit hard, and had to cut some research programs and increase class sizes (see: <a href="http://aero.calpoly.edu/sfc/Minutes_Final_Dean%20Meeting.pdf%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://aero.calpoly.edu/sfc/Minutes_Final_Dean%20Meeting.pdf&lt;/a&gt;) The Cal States haven't yet fully recovered from THAT budget crisis, and current plans call for cutting funding to the Cal States of $358 million for next year alone. That will almost certainly affect class sizes, availability of programs/majors, and life in general. If you're paying in-state tuition (again, it is very, very difficult to qualify as in-state once you have actually enrolled as out of state), that's one thing, but I wouldn't pay out of state tuition to attend a college with impacted programs and looming budget shortfalls.</p></li>
<li><p>That said, both RPI and Cal Poly's programs in the area your son is interested in have good reputations. Both can get him where he wants to go. But, all things being equal, I'd go with RPI for its smaller classes, research opportunities, and lack of state budget crisis looming overhead. </p></li>
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<p>Just curious, but if your son is entering as a freshman, why hasn't he already made his decision and sent in his deposit? I sure hope he didn't double deposit!</p>

<p>By the way, here is how the state of California, and CSU treats applications for resident status from non-residents. Your son is incorrect in assuming that he can get in-state tuition after attending for a year. It simply does not work that way. He would have to move to California a year before enrolling, get a job, pay taxes, and set up permanent residency BEFORE enrolling. As noted, "The student who is within the state for educational purposes only does not gain the status of resident regardless of the length of the student's stay in California." The Cal States (and UC's) don't make it easy for obvious reasons: if students could claim in-state tuition after a year, don't you think everyone would? (California, by the way, is not the only state with this attitude - virtually every public university system makes it virtually impossible to get in-state tuition if you're only there for educational purposes. After all, the primary purpose of public institutions is to provide education to people who live in the state and pay taxes).</p>

<p>So, I would take the possibility of in-state tuition out of the equation in helping your son make his final choice. </p>

<p>"The following statement of the rules regarding residency determination for nonresident tuition purposes is not a complete discussion of the law, but a summary of the principal rules and their exceptions. The law governing residence determination for tuition purposes by The California State University is found in Education Code Sections 68000-68090, 68121, 68123, 68124, and 89705-89707.5, and in Title 5 of the California Code of Regulations, Sections 41900-41912. A copy of the statutes and regulations is available for inspection at the campus Admissions Office.</p>

<p>Legal residence may be established by an adult who is physically present in the state and who, at the same time, intends to make California his or her permanent home. Steps must be taken at least one year prior to the residence determination date to show an intent to make California the permanent home with concurrent relinquishment of the prior legal residence. The steps necessary to show California residency intent will vary from case to case. Included among the steps may be registering to vote and voting in elections in California; filing resident California state income tax forms on total income; ownership of residential property or continuous occupancy or renting of an apartment on a lease basis where one's permanent belongings are kept; maintaining active resident memberships in California professional or social organizations; maintaining California vehicle plates and operator's license; maintaining active savings and checking accounts in California banks; maintaining permanent military address and home of record in California if one is in the military service.</p>

<p>The student who is within the state for educational purposes only does not gain the status of resident regardless of the length of the student's stay in California.</p>

<p>In general, the unmarried minor (a person under 18 years of age) derives legal residence from the parent with whom the minor maintains or last maintained his or her place of abode. The residence of a minor cannot be changed by the minor or the minor's guardian, so long as the minor's parents are living.</p>

<p>Nonresident students seeking reclassification are required by law to complete a supplemental questionnaire concerning financial independence. The general rule is that a student must have been a California resident for at least one year immediately preceding the residence determination date in order to qualify as a "resident student" for tuition purposes. "</p>

<p>When my son toured in March, the guide was from out of state and highly encouraged anybody out of state to apply for in state. So did the Financial Aid office.</p>

<p>No, he is not double deposit anywhere.</p>

<p>Just a bit more factual data for your son and you to mull over.</p>

<p>Graduation Rates</p>

<p>Cal Poly
4 year grad rate: 21%
5 year grad rate: 56%
6 year grad rate: 67%</p>

<p>RPI
4 year grad rate: 61%
5 year grad rate: 80%
6 year grad rate: 82%</p>

<p>Class Sizes</p>

<p>Cal Poly
Undergrad classes w/less than 20 students: 19%
with 20-40 students: 72%
50+: 10%</p>

<p>RPI
Undergrad classes w/less than 20 students: 43%
20-40 students: 43%
50+: 10%</p>

<p>Of course, there's no problem applying. The trick is getting approved. By the way, financial aid doesn't approve residence status, the admissions office does. The key is that the student must be "financially independent" -- in other words, no help paying for college or living expenses from parents. Here's the link to the Cal Poly website: Cal</a> Poly > residency I would look very closely at the questionnaire, and talk to admissions directly about how many out of state students get in-state tuition if this is going to be a deciding factor in your son's decision. It is definitely not a "done deal."</p>

<p>Good luck to your son in making his decision!</p>

<p>the grad rates you supplied, is it for the whole school of CalPoly or is it only from the engineering school program. Those rates are scary!!</p>