Rutgers vs Cornell

<p>Hello,</p>

<p>I am new to the board,and just wanted to give my opinions on both colleges,because I have attended both.Most people on here are biased to Rutgers for the simple reason it is not Ivy league.I was originally at Rutgers Cook College( now the SEBS),and was like everyone else on the "ivy band-wagon" and decided to transfer to Cornell.To say I was miserable up there is an understatement.I thought by attending an Ivy league college that in someway my intellect would have been sparked ...on the contrare.I felt that the professors were very flighty,and were more into theory then actuall hands on..which my major usually is( Landscape Architecture).The students in the program,although to brilliant for their own good,were not as artistic or fundamental as the students at Rutgers.I carried a 3.65 GPA at Cornell and at Rutgers I am struggling to do the same.In fact I feel the students at Rutgers( just my opinion) are brighter.Now I am not discouraging anyone from applying to Cornell,or boosting Rutgers.I just want to let people know thatCornell,Harvard,Yale,etc.etc are not the end all of end all schools for the brilliant.These kids here( I can say this because I am 39 ) are super brilliant,and I sometimes ask myself..."why am I here ,and why did I switch colleges".Rutgers,in my opinion is one of the best schools in the country,and probably in the top 10 in the country for "best education for the buck".</p>

<p>Does the Cornell Admissions Office get back to you within 4 months of applying (Yes angry applicant whose been waiting over 4 months to hear from RU)?</p>

<p>rutgers 27,</p>

<p>I am assuming you are a Ray Rice fan with your sig.Just a question..how are your grades? For me,I went to Rutgers on a athletic/academic scholarship back in the late 80's.I was in the Top 5% in my h.s. class and was all-state in 2 sports.Back then it was very hard to get in,and as of recent I have heard they have really raised the bar on admission standards.I have been weaving in and out of Rutgers over the years to finish my education,but as of recent(the last year),I have noticed a change in students and faculty.To answer your question regarding admissions response..it was fairly quick for me,because I was a sought after athlete who just happened to have great grades.I do have a friend who is from Mass. who was a Valedictorian of his h.s. class who was getting jerked around for about 3 months for his admissions to Rutgers College,and another buddy who was,I believe top 5 in his class, who was rejected from Rutgers College.Rutgers is funny like that..i can't explain.I do know for a fact( spoke to faculty at admissions) that within the next year they are really going to make it hard to get in.Good luck to you.I would call the heck out of them or if you are somewhat close to Rutgers,go straight to the admissions office and ask them whats going on.I know Rutger Newark is horrible with loosing paper work and taking their time with getting back to you.Again,best of luck!</p>

<p>What do you have to do to successfully transer into a tough school like Cornell?</p>

<p>Are the transfer acceptance rates really low?</p>

<p>I never understood how the transfer process works</p>

<p>Lil Wayne,</p>

<p>In my opinion,I believe it is the luck of the draw.I've heard kids with near perfect grades from reputable colleges getting turned down.On the other side of the coin,I have a friend who had a 3.4 GPA from CCM ( County College of Morris) who got in.I know that being in the Ivy you would think it is impossible to get in.But Cornell and Harvards standards are drastically different.Still,I would say you would have to have at least a 3.0 from a school almost on par with Cornell.They are extremely selective,so apply with confidence.Good luck</p>

<p>I think this is just an extreme case. Cornell is still a very good school. Everyone has different learning skills and preferences...so don't be turned off by Cornell or show sudden overwhelming interest in Rutgers just because of this thread. Both are good schools, and you can get a damn good education at either.</p>

<p>SubMachine,</p>

<p>I meant no ill-will to Cornell nor am I a Rutgers junkie. From my own personal experience and given what has been said about Rutgers not being anywhere near on par with Cornell,I felt the need to post this blog.You have to admit,there has been some totally uncalled for criticism about Rutgers.Not once have I heard any complaints about Cornell.Believe me,there is plenty to complain about.Their admissions department is clueless,half of your classes are taught by TA's,The students are ridiculously competitive,to the point that college becomes not fun anymore,and the professors are self-serving and arrogant.Look,everyone here..apply to Cornell.But give a Rutgers a fair shake.</p>

<p>I dont even no why i am entertaining this idea. the minute i saw Rutgers vs Cornell..i thought this person must be on something to even try to compare the 2. They are not even in the same class ..seriously</p>

<p>..RUTGERs is NOOOOOOOOO WHHHEEEERRREEEE near Cornell in anything. Your a Rutgerss junkie, no doubt about it. I really like Rutgers, i have alot of friends that go there (Im from Jersey)..the parties are good, the football games are fun, but the education is mediocre...And anyone at Rutgers student will tell you that.</p>

<p>It really depends on the major you're taking. Some departments at Rutgers are superior to those at Cornell -- but vice versa is true also. Like, some of my public school teachers are exponentially better than some of the summer program instructors I've had who teach at prestigious boarding schools. What I think Cornell has that Rutgers doesn't is more academic rigor...when it comes to the faculty, I think both universities are too big to make other generalizations.</p>

<p>ixjunitxi,</p>

<p>I would really respect your opinion and want to entertain you with a rebuttle. Based on your writing skills,I can see your not a worthy opponent.Rutgers is not mediocre,my friend..by any stretch.Whoever your friends are,whether they are fictitious or non-fictitious are completely wrong.Have you attended either of these schools? If not,then I don't see what validity your arguement has here.Lastly,I really think you should take a writing class,because your punctuation's,and sentence fragments are on par with a third grader..if not second grade.</p>

<p>Er, I think that you should review your post, Rutgers. While your points may be good, I think you need to remember one of the basic rules of the internet, namely:</p>

<p>Don't take an argument and make it about spelling. And, more importantly, if you do make it about grammar or spelling, ensure that your post is absolutely perfect. </p>

<p>I only mean to call you out on that to prevent others from doing so, that way the topic can remain on its course without it becoming a bickering competition between two posters.</p>

<p>In any case, as I said, (and I didn't mean this so much in a give/take way) you do make some good points. How can we know whether or not anyone discussing here has been to both schools? Furthermore, we probably need to question the worth of anecdotal evidence, especially from a student who doesn't even attend. The amount of variables in play in such a situation are vast. Who one is friends enough with to discuss their college with them is largely a function of personality, location, and a myriad other variables. That "my friends" think something is just not statistically independent enough to be meaningful in a school the size of Rutgers. I mean Deep Springs sure, and even Hampshire. But at even a few hundred people it becomes more and more arbitrary.</p>

<p>Asking current students would be a much better idea, and especially those who have been in both situations. Although there is still a tremendous amount of bias, they have more functional knowledge of the school and more importantly, they know other people there whom they may not be friends with, and thus are of some seperate personality type. By sampling them, you can get a sense of what these people believe.</p>

<p>Admittedly, at a school the size of Rutgers only a well researched poll would be of any use to judge the school, at least without specific segments such as major or even particular school. As it is, we're discussing the entire undergraduate experience of two huge colleges, with a variety of majors and individual schools, and in Rutger's case, campuses across schools.</p>

<p>That does not, of course, discount any individual's perception. But what must be considered are the specifics in any case such as this. A general feel might be gleaned from a few anecdotes, but beyond that, and especially at such a varied school as Rutgers, any personal stories lose their value over time. </p>

<p>Again, and I feel I must repeat myself, I trust the experiences of a Rutgers student, and especially one who has been to both Cornell and Rutgers, to lend themselves better to a comparison between the schools than many other types of evidence. The experiences of a guest, however, are entirely different. </p>

<p>Compare the tourist who visits New York or London or Florida to one who lives there. The perspectives are hugely different, for a large variety of reasons. </p>

<p>The same is true of visiting schools. Who you go with, and what you do are going to lead to different experiences than even another visitor, and all this is ignoring the overwhelming truth that you aren't dealing with the school in the same way at all.</p>

<p>A visitor is going to hear more about parties, if that is what he is interested in. Why would anyone tell a friend about classes they aren't taking and have no interest in? Everyone can enjoy a Duke or Rutgers or Pitt basketball game, but how many will be concerned with the effects of gender on the development of the colonization of Africa? Sure some, but in comparison to those who like sports, they're hardly even noticible(and I don't mean that as an insult, it's true of any major or class. More people won't care than will.)</p>

<p>I'd reject, merely based on my own prejudices, off hand the idea that Rutgers or any large flagship school has terrible academics or even mediocre due to the options and general self-reliant nature of such schools. This is not necessarily true, of course, and it is very well possible, but it would seem to me that aside from scheduling issues, the ability to learn is likely placed on the student.</p>

<p>But, as with all the rest of my post(save the first part which I think is entirely sensible, and should be held by all sides in any debate, on or off line, that we might actually do something more than insult each other! Er, anyway...) as with the rest of my post, I may well be wrong. But such generalizations don't seem to lend themselves well to such a large place, at least in my opinion.</p>

<p>First, this is a forum...not expository prose.....Rutgers is delusional and i doubt he attended Cornell.</p>

<p>RutgersLA, as Serithin said, you mocked ixjunitci's grammar/writing skills and your post had numerous errors.</p>

<p>You keep telling yourself that ixjunitxi</p>

<p>It's about time someone came foward with one of the most obvious insults.</p>

<p>You sound like my world history prof.You speak eloquently,but make pointless blurbs.</p>

<p>^^Wow, you are a very mature 39 yr old sarcasm</p>

<p>ixjunitxi,</p>

<p>You need to step back a little,and rethink about why you initially posted such a ridiculous "NNNNOOOO WWWHEEERE NEEEEAAAR" excerpt,and then you can become the voice of maturity here.Just a question for you..have you attended either schools? If you have, then justify to me why think what I wrote is wrong.If you haven't, then I think you just wasted about 5 minutes of your life trolling.</p>

<p>I was very surprised to see a post pitting Rutgers against Cornell because I never thought anyone would compare the two. Thank you for your insight, though. I applied to Rutgers pharm (along with engineering and nursing) 11/2 and I still haven't received an answer. I was worried and called to see if I could resend SAT scores that included my better Dec. ones. A family friend with a lower score just got into all 3 schools so my parents told me not to worry. I'm not very confident though. I also applied to Cornell RD, and I hope I get in because I worked so hard for it...but honestly, I wasn't sure. My friend with a higher score got rejected ED. My dad wants me to go there for the prestige, but I was really leaning towards Rutgers because it's close by. I also wasn't pleased by the competitveness of Cornellians that you wrote of..</p>

<p>Corduroybear,</p>

<p>I hope I didn't turn you off to Cornell Univ.My original post was to really just defend Rutgers and give some personal insight on my Cornell experience.I figured I would have gotten bashed by all the "Thurston Howell's" on here about Rutgers academics being sub-par.Cornell for the most part has an excellent reputation.It carries alot of weight in the working world..more so then Rutgers unfortunately.It's shame that the Ivy has the bragging rights here,because I didn't see it when I was up there.Maybe I am just an isolated example of the "Cornell experience".I won't lie to you though.That school has some over achievers,that are annoying.These kids weren't there to learn,but to compete with each other.That's fine,and I think healthy competition is great,but not to the point of having anxiety attacks in class.It almost seemed like all the smart-a$$ bohemians of the world just go there.Which was funny because,the smarter they thought they were,the more likely they were on academic probation.In 1983 My uncle went to Harvard initially for his MBA,and told me that he was leaving.My family was devistated,and asked him why.He told us that is was a waste of money for our family( who by the way is not rich),to pay such ridiculous fees for a program taught by TA's.He later found a great fit with Stanford. When I was accepted to Cornell I was really excited and told everyone.My uncle though,reiterated his experience to me,and like every poster on this blog I was like "that was just your experience".But true to his words,the same stuff happened to me.</p>