<p>If you have a chance to get into an Ivy, like UPenn, but only to their Arts and Sciences school, would this be better than making it to a prestigious business school, although on a lower level, like Kelley at University of Indiana?</p>
<p>Of course Upenn would be better than Kelley - but if you can get into Upenn you can get into a really good business school such as Berkeley, Ann Arbor, or Stern, or CMU so you shouldn't really be aiming as low as Kelley if you can get into Upenn.</p>
<p>See, like right there. You're talking about "good business schools," but does this refer to Ross, or UMich (for example)? Does this refer to NYU or Stern?</p>
<p>Just because the business school is great doesn't make the Arts and Sciences school great, too, does it?</p>
<p>EDIT: I mean the Arts and Sciences schools for UMich and NYU, as opposed to the b-schools.</p>
<p>The positions Kelly grads get aren't EVEN CLOSE to the positions economics grads at the college at upenn get. </p>
<p>Here is the list: <a href="http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/college/majors/econ.html%5B/url%5D">http://www.vpul.upenn.edu/careerservices/college/majors/econ.html</a></p>
<p>Yes, almost any major at Upenn will give you a greater possibility of getting a foot into the industry than Indiana's kelley would</p>
<p>Collegehopeful, you are asking whether Penn (Arts and Sciences) would be better than Kelley for job prospects. The answer to that question is yes, Penn would be better. Kelley is a great program, but Penn attracts more employers. </p>
<p>As for whether it would be worth choosing Michigan (LSA) or NYU (CAS) over Penn (CAS) depends on fit. I would definitely pick Michigan (LSA) over Penn. I actually did back in 1992, and I had job offers from decent companies when I graduated with my undergraduate Econ degree. So it really depends on what you want.</p>
<p>It's just that UMich/NYU/Penn is so much money. I think I can get into Direct Admits at Kelley, and it would cost a whole lot less. </p>
<p>I heard that if you get into NYU, you are assured to get into Stern. Is this true?</p>
<p>Keep in mind that I ultimately want to get my MBA.</p>
<p>Once you get your MBA, your undergrad degree won't matter.</p>
<p>But won't your UG degree affect your options once you begin working? And I know that work experience is a big part of getting into a top MBA program.</p>
<p>Also, I just can't imagine that a degree at some no-name school will look as good as a degree from Harvard. </p>
<p>At this point, I just want to get in as good position as possible to get into Wharton MBA or Ross. That's my goal summed up into one sentence. This is taking into account financials (I'm middle-income, maybe a bit below), as well.</p>
<p>Collegehopful, there are many levels between "no-name" universities and Harvard. Schools like Northwestern and Carnegie Mellon, Georgetown and Emory, Vanderbilt and Davidson, UVA and Brown, Michigan and Middlebury, Cal and Grinnell, USC and Boston University, NYU and Oberlin etc...etc...etc...</p>
<p>Oh, I definitely agree. I did not mean to say I was going to attend a poor college. It just seemed odd to me that a UG degree from NYU was going to mean the same as a UG degree from Kelley if one intended to get his MBA.</p>
<p>No...if you get into NYU, you are not garunteed a spot for Stern. Really, you are going to have to think long and hard about where geographically you plan on working. There are so many top name business schools such as Kelley, but the place in more regionally, and the get only a small number of graduates into finance. You have to look at lots of things. You really should go to these schools websites and snoop around a bit and you can find a lot of information. In the 2 yrs you usually work from undergrad to grad, the work you have done will only help you so much. The more prestigious the company the better, but the less prestigious the company, the more prestigious your undergrad has to be. Hmmm...lets just put it that way, if you went to a school like Kelley, you would have the same chances as a student from Wharton upon graduation....you could work in finance or anything else, but you will have to be in the top of your class and be more independen on your job hunt.</p>
<p>It would be like a middle class man trying to buy a luxury car, he will have to save and look for bargains and keep looking till he found one worth buying. But rather a rich person would be able to be able to just go out and buy. Both end up in the same situation at the end, they have the same luxury car, but it was much easier for the rich man (WHARTON) to obtain what he wanted</p>
<p>Is it better to do Econ at ivy league like columbia, penn, etc, or go to Haas, Stern, etc for future interest in business and MBA?</p>
<p>if u r really interested in business, it doesnt matter where you go</p>
<p>lots of people on this board are stupid, just like how i was 1 year ago. i chose schools based on undergrad business ranking and prestige and how well it sends kids to wall street.</p>
<p>it doesn't matter. a school is NOTHING is you don't like the atmosphere. visit schools, choose one you really like.........make the 4 years you best 4 years possible, learn and grow, both socially and emotionally. going to a specific college for a future investment banking career almost never works. NO school can guarantee you a spot</p>
<p>if ya go to wharton, you have better chance
if ivy leagues and top publics and top privates, second best chance</p>
<p>it's all relative.</p>
<p>UC berkeley (where HAAS is) is SOOOO different from Upenn, choose the one YOU LIKE/LOVE. don't let undergrad business program restrict you.</p>
<p>If the school you love has a business school in the top 50, but you could get into a better business school...go to the one you love. In the end you'll thank yourself.</p>
<p>For an UG business major, I'd say look at the money factor before choosing. In my opinion, it's never worth 160K (40K *4 years for ivy school) for an undergraduate business degree. That's just ridiculous. If your going to double major in something like econ / engineering or econ / comp. sci or econ/ chemistry - and do very well (3.7 +), that's a different story.</p>
<p>So if your going to college with the mindset of strictly majoring in business, save your money and go in state. Better to go kelly and do very well than go to wharton and waste all that money.</p>
<p>Also, look at the flexibility of your degree. Going to MIT and majoring in something like chemical engineering or EE will triple your job flexibility upon graduation while just majoring in econ at a place like stern/wharton while paying all that money is an unnecessary waste of money.</p>
<p>Actually that is not true. </p>
<p>One of the key things the very top biz programs provide is recruiting contacts and corporate presence. Majoring in business at any old state school (unless its UMich, UVa, UNC or Berkeley) will greatly diminish your chances of getting a position for an ibank. This is without considering family or other contacts that can get someone through the door.</p>
<p>As for flexibility, if someone wanted flexibility in their college degree, why do business in the first place?</p>
<p>Mahras,</p>
<p>Stop arguing pointlessly. You're just a high school student; don't act like you know everything about i-banking. I notice everytime we discuss i-banking, you always pop up acting like you're some experienced wall-street veteren.</p>
<p>The issue here is deciding between Kelly or something like Penn. Majoring in finance at Kelly and doing very well will not "greatly diminish your chances" of going into i-banking. It's quite the opposite, Kelly's top business students get great i-banking jobs. </p>
<p>When I say major in state, I mean to pick schools that are somewhat decent. Kelly, MSU, Ohio State, Indiana and many other state schools are decent and if you can pull a 4.0 in those schools, you will very likely get an i-banking job.</p>
<p>Oh so now you have come to attacking someone directly hmm. </p>
<p>First of all I know people who have been or are currently in ibanking. Friend's dads, friend's brother, my own cousin. My friend also happens to work at a BB at their bond desk.(a high school student himself mind you) I am also personally interning at a quant fund here in NYC at the moment. Lets not even go into personal details at the moment.</p>
<p>PSU, Mich State?! I highly doubt that. In business GPA is not the key. GPA is the initial cutoff. Next comes experience, where you went to school and who you know. A 4.0 at mich state doesnt cut it unless your dad is an MD at the bank. If you tell me that the thing recruiters look into most is GPA then clearly it is you who has no idea about this industry. BTW I mean front office jobs not the back office. </p>
<p>I do know the top students at Kelly get into the best banks. But majoring in econ at Penn will get you a bigger leg up than Kelly.</p>
<p>The point wasn't whether wharton will give you "a leg up". It was whether or not you can get a really good i-banking job from a decent, in state school and yes you can.</p>
<p>Whatever, arguing with you is pointless. I don't have time right now. What are you 16 years old? I'll get back on this later. In any case, you sound like a prestige whore.</p>