Sages

<p>It's going to be part of your life here. I'm surprised not too many people have asked about it. Anyways, you should start asking about it because it is going to be a large part of your academic life here. Anyways, here are my thoughts.</p>

<p>The First seminar was atrocious. the one most people took (Life of the Mind) was populated by professors who really had no idea what they were doing. Most of these guys were asked "firmly" to be the leader of these seminars. The professors who had no business telling students how to write and make persuasive arguments and like were accompanied by hastily hired writing instructors. Mine was lazy and complained about the large number of essays he had to grade. Especially at first, the man provided very little feedback. When he started giving a little more feedback, it was essentially worthless. I did not trully see my essays improve (although I did not say that in my analysis of my improvement as a writer). I saw issues in my writing that I'd seen well before I had ever enrolled in that class and it did nothing to improve them.</p>

<p>We're a few weeks into the University seminars (topical ones that you pick). The really good ones are very competitive to get into. They have a horrible way of registering for classes (Solar), but that's another topic for another day. Anyways, each class is limited to 17 students. Now imagine the really interesting ones being considered by 1150 people. Anyways, I didn't get into my first choice of seminar. I selected another one that I found somewhat interesting as a placeholder in hopes of convincing the professor of the class I wanted to get into to give me an override (didn't happen. The guy didn't respond to me for a month until I e-mailed him again). Anyways, it must have been a lucky turn of events. I'm really enjoying this class. The reading and discussions are interesting. </p>

<p>So the bottom line is this: you get a random draw of which professors you're going to get first semester. They'll either care or they won't. They'll either grade easily and be understanding or they won't. They'll either strictly follow the guidelines Peter Whiting and co. have set or they won't. You're most likely not going to care about the class since it's a general class that every person is in. So the degree of misery is merely the luck of the draw. I unfortunately got such a combination that I knew by the time I had gotten my first grade back that there was no possible way I could get an A in the class. Also, through experience, I have come to learn that you cannot learn how to write in a seminar (at least not one that is clumsily handled). That said I did have a little bit of fun. I learned how the university ran, how professors got their jobs and promotions and a few other bits of information about the university.</p>

<p>The two topical university seminars that you have to take are more interesting. You're provided with a diverse set of choices. Unfortunately, some are very competitive to get into. I think this class will be a much better experience.</p>

<p>I don't want to even think about your major seminars.</p>

<p>=0 .......hopefully they take Sages away?</p>

<p>Wow, I'm really surprised to hear about Sages. When we visited last year, they talked about it like it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. (Well, I guess I'm not really all that surprised.)</p>

<p>in a way it's not so bad when you consider that for engineering types it replaces an awful lot of humanities/social science requirements.</p>

<p>No, it is really bad. Instead of having to take humanities and social science courses where you actually learn stuff and which have a point to them, you'll have to take a bunch of courses which make very little effort to actually teach you anything(well, some attempt to teach writing is made) and which ultimately have no point at all.</p>

<p>I am dismayed by this report. I know exactly the kind of classes you mean, having suffered through a couple in my day. I don't know how they think they can teach a course without any actual <em>content.</em> Maybe they will reevaluate the SAGES program & return it to its previous format before my son gets there. IF he decides to go there!</p>

<p>well, there is content in the University seminars. I'm in a class where we discuss the idea of nations. We're using China as a foil. I'm currently learning the history of China since the Qing dynasty. The discussions usually go where we want it to go. The other class I was interested in was basically the Classic Mythology class we have offered here turned into a seminar.</p>

<p>In my First seminar class, we discussed wildly random topics that we really had no choice in picking. We read about Che Guevara and other random things.</p>

<p>I think you get a grand total of 3 semesters where you're not engaged in a Sages seminar. So, do consider it when you choose to come here.</p>

<p>We freshman are only 4 weeks into our first University seminar. Most of the displeasure voiced by us about the Sages program stems from our "Life of the Mind" experience.</p>

<p>i agree. i like my second sages course a lot better. i'm learning quite a bit and writing a lot but it's very interesting.</p>

<p>sorry i hate to sound stupid, but what are sages??</p>

<p>It stands for Seminar Approach for General Education and Scholarship. This is a fairly new thing at Case consisting of seminar courses--small, writing-and-discussion intensive classes--in every field. Students have to take (I believe) 5 of them in order to graduate. The idea is to teach you to think and write, not just spout back info from the teacher. Laudable, but judging from some of the comments here, maybe a few bugs still in the system.</p>

<p>I participated in a sample SAGES semminar during my "Experaince Case" visit this last monday. It was led by a middle aged female biology prof and the topic was cities. She seemed to like teaching it but I doubt most proffesors are all that crazy about teaching semianrs in fields well outside their expertise.</p>