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“He married one of his classmates and never really left the university. (I wish he would now, for personal growth reasons.)”

Does this syndrome exist at any of the other top elites? We’ve known many like this at UChicago and our own kid is now starting to show the signs, even lamenting in June that she didn’t sign up for summer courses. Can’t figure out if it’s Life of the Mind or something in the water. Do kids show up at Harvard or Yale and then just stay for years and years? Somehow I don’t see that happening at P or S - maybe MIT?

“Those kids aren’t necessarily toxic at all, although they certainly could be if they had nothing more to offer than the attitude on display in this thread. That’s not to say that they are “better” than Chicago ED acceptees, but there may be some subtle differences. I was trying to be honest/straight/supportive when I suggested that @coldbrew22 's kid might prefer a community involving lots of those people (including her) vs. one with few or none of them.”

Brew’s sense of turmoil seems over-the-top; however, some shared remorse among the RD’s is probably to be expected. Those we met last year did have choices at some pretty impressive schools, and anecdotally at least a few of those RD kids ended up in I-House (likely many more, although - again anecdotally - this is the first year we’ve heard of NON-RD kids getting that housing assignment). On the face of it, it simply doesn’t seem to convey a very welcoming message so underlying Brew’s complaints is a genuine - and quite natural - feeling.

But UChicago is simply not going to view the assignment in the same light, even if it wasn’t on your list for a good reason (it’s awful, everyone says it’s awful, etc.). They might read Reddit but they won’t attach much weight to the comments, given the high level of emotion running through. Life of the Mind is simply not emotion-driven, might be their thinking. The students will be out of their comfort zones soon enough, complaints about the long walk to the dining hall will be replaced with more genuine concerns relevant to academic survival, etc. And they would know, having seen countless classes of students by this point! The intensity of the place is jarring that first quarter, even for the well-prepared. No one at this point before 1st week can really know whether it’s a good thing or a bad thing to be “so far away” from the quads! (hubby and I actually think it’s a good thing and were relieved when D was assigned BJ. She now completely agrees with us!). There may not be a student “social” center around the Reg. but there sure as heck is a student “study” center - and LOTS of grad students and faculty milling about to remind you - constantly - to get back to work. BJ/South or I-House might be necessary diversions, or even safe-havens in the storm. Finally, while - sure - they used to advertise the features of each dorm, including videos and so forth on the housing page (what happened to those???), your particular dorm won’t get you through that first 10 weeks - your house, on the other hand, will. House culture is what’s really important about dorm living at UChicago.

So shared remorse and even talk of other choices might well happen - during O-Week. And will very likely end there. It won’t be shut down - it’ll merely be replaced by more pressing matters. But in case that sort of talk DOES linger on into at least fourth week or - unlikely but still possible - 7th week, @JHS makes a good point about the subtle differences. When you are swamped with work, hearing someone chatter on at the House Table about how UChicago was their absolute first choice might seem unbearable and could contribute to a real (not imagined due to location) sense of isolation. Much better to be surrounded by like-minded soulmates.

Just to add to the previous comment - I’m now almost wondering if housing and admissions DID actually work together to house this class. So many have expressed shock at not getting their choices. Could it be that Admin saw a need for very particular placements, despite everyone’s preferred choice? Mixing it up isn’t such a bad idea - and they probably try to do some of that anyway. This year there might be something about the class that requires particular attention. Perhaps a higher number of extroverted - or introverted! - students accepted admission and so while they have to be spread out a bit, the most important thing is getting them into the “right kind of house” for their needs. That might have taken precedence over specific dorm. It might also be a harbinger of things to come for future classes (assuming it’s a new methodology - which we DON’T know). Thoughts?

If this theory (ok - guess!) is accurate then Admin isn’t going to care in the least about current complaints, simply because they know things’ll change once the kids are on campus.

Kathy V #1

I did the I-House to Cathey Dining Room route today. Somewhat to my surprise it only took 12 minutes 40 seconds. I did take a couple of diagonal shortcuts.

This is more for parents and prospective students. Midway Plaisance is technically speaking a Chicago public park, although UChicago pretty much treats it as part of its campus. In my days it was just simply grass fields with tall trees on each side of 59th and 60th Street. But in the last ten years UChicago landscape people have put in quite a few small gardens with bushes and perennials. They are very nice and serene little enclaves on Midway that can be quiet escaped from the hustle and bustle of the Main Quad.

By going through these small gardens I could somehow get to Cathey Dinning Commons faster than I thought. Yes, it is still not as close as living in BJ for Cathey but a 12.5 minutes walk is not that bad. Besides, there are UGo shuttle stops right in front of I-House and BJ.

There is no more scaffolding at I-House. I presume all the construction is done. Next weekend it looks like perfect fall weather in Chicago. Good luck to all of you parents and students on Move-in Day.

I wonder if the ittle garden area is plowed during the winter? Probably not. Nevertheless the rest of the year that’s a great shortcut.

@85bears46 Thank you! That was very nice of you. Assuming you live nearby?

@“Kathy V” Just a healthy walk before picking up my kid from school in Hyde Park :slight_smile: .

And trying to dispel the notion that living in I-House is equivalent to exile in Siberia :wink:

@marlowe1 Please stop putting words into my mouth. I never said my daughter wishes she were headed to a different school. But yes, she did apply to other colleges, and she was rejected from and admitted to other colleges within the top 15.

You and others are also making a few incorrect assumptions as it relates to college preference, housing deposits, and an echoed assertion RDs have the highest concentration of Stanford- and Ivy-envy students.

You believe every ED preferred U of C over HYPS? That is most certainly false. Many status-chasing EDs aren’t obsessed with U of C, they simply studied up and felt U of C’s ED1 (and ED2) gave them the most favorable odds of being admitted into a T5 university. To add, do you not realize most wealthy EAs can and do immediately put down their deposit and then shotgun RD apps to T15 colleges? They’re wealthy enough to not care about losing the deposit if they are admitted RD to more preferable college.

"And let’s all remember not to penalize the kid for the bad behavior of the parent. Coldbrew’s kid could think completely differently than her parents and be a wonderful addition to IHouse. "

No, my daughter isn’t thrilled, ditto practically everyone in her I-House group chats. But as the kiddos say, it is what it is. Also worth noting, kids aren’t usually writing the checks. This is our money and we know a housing and meal plan ripoff when we see one. We were misled and the “lottery” is a sleazy and unfair joke.

“To add, do you not realize most wealthy EAs can and do immediately put down their deposit and then shotgun RD apps to T15 colleges? They’re wealthy enough to not care about losing the deposit if they are admitted RD to more preferable college.”

  • Yes, this could be. But if they wanted a more preferable college why not apply to THAT college ED or SCEA? BTW, UChicago EA rate is pretty low - probably around 5%. Finally, the early deposit then withdrawal means nothing to the queue unless they are filling out the housing forms of two universities. Pretty sure that by May 1 you have to be committed to ONE school.

Sure, taking a flyer at Harvard doesn’t ipso facto proclaim you a prestige-obsessed worshipper of the gods of conventional wisdom. That would only be the case if, having been spurned by your fatal Cleopatra, you turned to a lesser institution because it had physical amenities to offset its lack of brand-recognition - because, after all, you’re full pay and you had other options. These features - and your failing to get them from Chicago - are the only significant fact about the place as far as you’re concerned.

Well, people have a right to feel what they feel, but those feelings tell you a lot about them. Better that they would have taken those feelings elsewhere. Better that Chicago did not have such Ivy-wannabe amenities capable of misleading such people. Cold water and gruel for everyone - that’s the ticket!

The meal plan would have been a rip-off no matter where you lived, so dont conflate it with your disdain for I-House and your false and inflated view of your own self worth vis-a-vis other students who did ED/EA (they are not Harvard material), were not waitlisted at Harvard (at least you got waitlisted, you must be better than them), are not full pay (you should get more because you pay more)

In your other posts you have also given answers that oppose these arguments.

  1. Not all EA/ED are too dumb to get accepted to Harvard. They could have simply determined that a higher chance at UChicago, which has the same utility, is the best way forward. And yes, a lot of people put Harvard and UChicago on the same utility level. And there are lots of people too who prefer UChicago over Harvard. Lots of them end at UChicago… if you believe that that is impossible, that is your problem, for being so blinded you can not see reality. Even people who get accepted by both Harvard and UChicago - 20% to 30% of them end up at UChicago (I have to check pachment for the latest stats)
  1. Being waitlisted at Harvard does not mean anything to other institutions. No institution will put any value to you being "almost" accepted at Harvard. If I were to guess, pining for Harvard, is a net negative, not positive if you want UChicago to ever listen to you. You sound like a teenager that was turned down by a jock you have a crush on, and are now punishing your rebound guy because he does not have the same amount of muscles in the right places. Grow up! Sounds like your kid needs to unlearn many of the pettiness she is learning from you and would really benefit from a place like UChicago where her biases will be exposed (not sure if she will enjoy the process though)
  2. You are not a consumer. Neither is your daughter. Get that into your head as fast as you can. UChicago will not treat you like one. That is what the UChicago is telling you when it sends those letters about the aim of education. That is what it tells its first years when it sends it welcome letter. That is what it means to experience the life of the mind. That is what UChicago is telling you when it sends our mailers about tradition, about Nobel Prizes, about Scav... etc - you are there to participate in a long tradition of excellence. You are the parent of a student. A student is someone whose mind will be developed, by teachers, intellectual discourse with other students, by the core and other classes, by the house system, the lack of D1 sports (this is intentional), the intense academics, the culture of inquiry and debate, ... even by the dreary winter and the "isolatedness" of Hyde Park. THAT is what you are paying for and it is worth as much if you got it in Cambridge. The fact that you think it is not if they put your daughter in IHouse, makes people see that you should seriously consider going somewhere else. In this case, you should take your dollars and walk away - they are your dollars, and really, that is your only option as a consumer because UChicago is not a Walmart who will replace what you got simply because you both envy those who got better digs and look down on them at the same time. If your daughter feels the same way, and does not feel like she can love what she's got, all the more for you to move her out now! Spare her the daily stress of always having Ivy-envy, and please spare the rest of the University of having to deal with one more person who does not really even try to belong. Those are the worst people to get to contact with at UChicago and I am all for paying her to leave, if that is the case.

I’m a little curious @coldbrew22. At what price would you think would be fair to live in IHouse? You’ve mentioned the same $1,500 rebate that upper clansmen received to live in Vue53. Again, Vue53 with no house culture and a much longer walk then IHouse to campus and no meal plan. There is a Vue53 house table in Baker, but again that will be 0.6 mile walk through greater Hyde Park to the dining hall.

The other question, if not your daughter, then who should have to live in IHouse and Stony Island?

Obviously with scarcity of beds, some students have to live there, so I think with the precedent established at Vue53, a $1500 discount off the more centrally located or premium dorms is fair. And they should have given students stuck in i house and Stony diff meal plan options. They certainly have proof that kids in i house don’t swipe as many meals as kids nearer the commons. As it stands we’re going to be on the hook for I suspect at least $500 in extra cafe food my daughter will buy when she doesn’t have time to get to a common or weather is too harsh.

I don’t think that they could ethically give the $1500 discount this year to students placed into IHouse and Stony. I’m sure that would cause some more discontent. “If I’d known I could have got $1500 off my housing, I’d put IHouse first. I can walk 0.7 miles for food to save that much.” What about the Stony people who say “I’ve twice as far to walk to food as IHouse, I should get $3000 off?” You could also start to get North and South and MaxP students “We’ve got to walk infinitely farther to walk to the quad then Snitchcock students, we should get $1000 off.” I really think your no AC and safety arguments have been debunked on the two threads. Besides, if safety is an issue, would you really put your daughter into harms way at a reservation price of $1500/year?

I think you’d get less pushback on the meal plan scenario. You should suggest it and see what happens. I’d suggest toning down your language. Your posts come across pretty angry. I’m not sure that would work well with the administration.

I asked about my DD friends that live in I House and they mostly seem to leave I House for the day and don’t return until after dinner. Either in class , studying in the Reg, or hanging with friends in other dorms but mostly the first two.

This thread is super interesting to revisit in light of changes that have come from the school. No longer does EA or ED or early date get you first dibs on prime dorms. And now I-House and Stoney get free breakfast meals in Tiffin Cafe. I guess those long walks and fewer resources ARE unfair…