<p>The average SAT score for Penn’s '09 class was about 1400 (I think a little higher). However, the new SAT seems to have a harsher curve and the entire average seems to have fallen (I can’t confirm this completely, but just by judging on the curve, etc.) Do you think Penn will take this under consideration this year if it is true that the holistic SAT average has fallen? I’m hovering around a 1400 between M & CR (a little lower probably) and I’m afraid this will be a lethal blow to my chances. Any thoughts on this?</p>
<p>P.S.- Anyone else think that the national average for SATs has fallen? How much would you say?</p>
<p>I don't think anyone will be able to answer that question for sure until after decisions are made. All I can say is that I think they will basically treat the math/verbal section as they always have out of 1600 and treat that writing like another SAT II. I can say that the average for non-legacies/athletes is well above the 1400 mark though based on the people I know here. On the other hand, Penn is one school where applying early greatly helps your chances regardless of score. So I wouldn't say that a 1400 would be detrimental to your chances. As long as your essays/resume is solid, you have just as much of a chance of getting in as someone with a 1500+</p>
<p>Average Admitted Score: 1434
Average ED Admit Score: 1413</p>
<p>For all the schools combined. If you're applying to SAS ED, 1400 should be right on the middle line. For Wharton and SEAS, the average is 1450 and 1460.</p>
<p>With bulletproof everything else, do you mean awesome ECs, etc.? Or do you mean a solid list with good recs, essays, transcript, etc.?</p>
<p>My guidance counselor told me that I'd have a good chance with a 1350, but I'm not sure what she's talking about (especially since the average is at least a 1400).</p>
<p>So, anyone else think the average SAT will drop this year?</p>
<p>I'm not from the actual city (Philly) but I'm 30 minutes away from Penn. I don't know exactly how many people from my school are applying ED, but I suspect about 20 if not more (so many, I know.. :(). I've been told that 8 people were admitted from my school last year, and it feels like the other applicants are superior to me in GPA and SAT (I'm not sure about the SAT because I don't ask others what they got, but I'm assuming they did better than me). By the way, I'm hoping to get in to the college. I just don't see myself being accepted. I have few leadership roles (9th grade treasurer for Student Council and Honor Society, 12th grade Exe. Board for MUN and captain of tennis team). I haven't done much volunteer work (about 100 hours with 75 of those hours from a tennis camp where I was a camp counselor for children) and I don't do medical research (and I want to go into the chemistry field). I'm sure the kids that do get in with a 1300 on the SAT are those that spend a lot of time volunteering or doing some sort of research, but I don't do either.</p>
<p>I'm an Asian male by the way, and I'm pretty white-washed even though my closest friends are Asian. I'm the only Asian in class council or Spanish Club at my school and I'm really into Model UN. Unfortunately, that does not compare with the math competitions or science competitions that others do. I think my essay (pg 217 autobiography) is pretty good. I basically take a very mundane, everyday situation and make it a little interesting and get a message across.</p>
<p>Anyway, I'm sorry for ranting on and on, I'm just going to be so disappointed when I get rejected from Penn and it's going to be even more devastating trying to tell my parents (they won't be mad or anything, but they would be really happy if I got in).</p>
<p>By the way, would it help if my parents own a dry cleaning store near Penn's campus. It's right on Girard St. lol..</p>
<p>im like you KRabble, 1350 SAT, hopefully did better on these ones though... I think that Penn focuses less on the numbers than lots of other schools. They care more about how much you want to be there and the kind of person you are. A 1350 is not bad...I don't think it helps the decision, but I dont think it hurts either. If you got rejected just because you missed like 5 questions on the SAT, then it is Penn's loss, not yours!!</p>
<p>penn rep came to my school the other day (im also a philly student applying to penn ed). she said that a score that penn finds is "suitable to be a successful student at penn for philadelphia students" is 1100-1200.</p>
<p>check out the mayor's scholarship krabble, may help you out.</p>
<p>I don't go to a school in the city but in the suburbs. I'm sure a high school student who got an 1100-1200 on the SAT is capable of succeeding at Penn, but the unfortunate thing is that most other applicants will have stronger scores :(</p>
<p>The only difference between me and the other applicants from my school is this: I'm the only Asian male (probably doesn't help much since there are many hardworking Asians), and my parents do not have a white-collared job (I don't want to sound racist because most other applicants are actually my friends--they are mostly rich, white/Jewish kids). This obviously does not make up for any deficit in test scores, but it's the only thing that's keeping me from losing hope.. lol.. sad I know. Among the few public schools in my area, there has to be less than 15 Asian (Far East Asian not South Asian) who are really, super motivated to learn. I know a bunch in private school, but then again.. that's private school! I know some fascinating Asian Americans who are really intelligent and never cease to amaze me, but I don't know where we get the stereotype that we are all extraordinary! It's really discouraging if you're an Asian and don't play 10 instruments and have not proved string theory ten times over. Ugh.. this is the complete opposite of being productive, but I mean seriously, it feels like nothing is going for me.</p>
<p>"from philly" = background info for people to know since it sorta, kinda factors into admissions a tiny bit since penn takes the greatest number of applicants from pa...</p>
<p>so i don't think you count hottrack since you don't currently live in pa.</p>
<p>Well just because they take a lot of applicants from PA doesn't mean it's a factor for acceptance. It makes more sense that simply more people from PA apply. I live closer to Upenn than the majority of Pennsylvanian's.</p>
<p>tiny bit, i said. but actually being IN philly helps because there are a few feeder schools a lot of kids to penn every year since penn like has to take a certain number or something from within the city.</p>
<p>I have a 1300 but I'm hoping to boost that up to a 1400 with the October SAT's. I'm applying ED to SEAS and I basically live on campus (same zip code as Penn) so I hope that score will be enough to get me in :)</p>