<p>I never said that, but since you brought it up, that tends to be the trend</p>
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<p>That, my friend, is how genocide begins.</p>
<p>This is getting ridiculous.
Let’s remember that this is the Georgetown University board. The Board for ninth ranked school for Black Students.
[Top</a> 50 Colleges for Black Students — Infoplease.com](<a href=“Columbia Encyclopedia | Infoplease”>Higher Education: Top 25 Colleges for Black Students, 2011)</p>
<p>African-Americans are very important part of the community, have been and always will be. This is one factor that differentiates Georgetown from other top universities. Not to be “racist,” but SAT scores alone do not reflect the contribution a person makes to a university community. I look forward to the day when Georgetown’s Asian population begins to make its mark too, because the school will be even better, but there is work to do.</p>
<p>Let’s talk about the contributions of John Thompson (Activist, journalist, and the first African American coach to win a national championship in basketball), Dikembe Mutombo, Alonzo Mourning, and Patrick Healy (the first African-American President of a predominantly white university), not only to Georgetown culture, but to American culture and the world. Nobody cares what their SAT scores were. These are great leaders and human beings and reflect how Georgetown is special and why it is consistently ranked with Stanford as a top college for Black Students. Georgetown embraces this heritage and tradition, and is not “ignorant” about the contributions Black students have made to the university, and will continue to make in the future.</p>
<p>Georgetown is by no means perfect, but is far from racist. It is disturbing how casually that word is tossed around, and that we are now talking about genocide. This is the wrong forum for this debate.</p>
<p>Now back to SAT scores…On second thought forget SAT scores, I’m going to start working on my hook.</p>
<p>It’s kinda scary how you guys got to genocide from a post mentioning URM status.
As 1789 emphasized, all I stated is that I had no special hook - saving the world is a hook. Being from a very poor family or having a disadvantaged minority background is a hook. Those are the things I did not have. Still, I got in with SAT scores that might not seem to be low to AlterEgoo but if you check, you’ll see that you will need higher SAT scores in general to get in to most other top schools. ([Georgetown</a> University- Office of Undergraduate Admissions](<a href=“http://uadmissions.georgetown.edu/applying_firstyear_sdprofile.cfm]Georgetown”>http://uadmissions.georgetown.edu/applying_firstyear_sdprofile.cfm)) Since the OP asked about Georgetown’s approach to SAT, I felt this information was relevant.</p>
<p>On another note, I agree with PrettyAwesome in that minorities often do have lower SAT scores. ([SAT</a> scores show disparities by race, gender, family income - USATODAY.com](<a href=“http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-08-25-SAT-scores_N.htm]SAT”>http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/2009-08-25-SAT-scores_N.htm)) This, of course, has nothing to do with the intellectual capacity of Latinos and African Americans - instead, it might stem from the fact that generally they are in a harder situation where it is harder for them to take preparatory classes, get help from tutors, etc.
The link above might support what I’m saying, but here are some other links to look at (if you don’t wanna read it all, just scroll down to the stats): [Asian</a> Americans are #1 on the SAT](<a href=“http://www.asianweek.com/2010/10/06/asian-americans-are-1-on-the-2010-sat/]Asian”>http://www.asianweek.com/2010/10/06/asian-americans-are-1-on-the-2010-sat/)</p>
<p>Also:
[Black/Asian</a> SAT Scores at Elite LACs : EphBlog](<a href=“http://www.ephblog.com/eph-archives/2011/04/12/blackasian-sat-scores-at-elite-lacs/]Black/Asian”>http://www.ephblog.com/eph-archives/2011/04/12/blackasian-sat-scores-at-elite-lacs/)
[Average</a> SAT Scores, 1972–2007 — Infoplease.com](<a href=“Columbia Encyclopedia | Infoplease”>Average SAT Scores, 1972–2007) [the stats here are said to be straight from College Board]</p>
<p>This is also interesting: [Chapter</a> 3: Minorities](<a href=“http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpdse94/chap3/minorits.htm]Chapter”>http://www.nsf.gov/statistics/wmpdse94/chap3/minorits.htm)</p>
<p>So, it is not genocide but college admissions that begins by acknowledging the fact that Asians perform better on SATs. Admissions officers are aware of these trends and make decisions keeping these in mind.</p>
<p>[AlterEgoo: after seeing all this, would you still yell “ignorant racist” at everyone who refers to this trend?</p>
<p>Anberlin: scoring higher on the SAT does not equal being “particularly better”. It simply means being better at taking the SAT. People here often forget that SAT is just a test; it does not measure how good/smart/creative/intelligent of a person you are.]</p>
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<p>I know what it means to score highly on the SAT. It obviously isn’t a determinant of your entire life’s merits; it is merely a way to assist a college in choosing qualified applicants. I’m pretty sure that URM aren’t cut as much slack as all of you think them to be.</p>
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<p>Thank you for presenting articles and facts that you have researched.
However, this does not account for the ignorant remarks that PrettyAwesome said.</p>
<p>Who are these statistics polling? it can’t represent a whole population and nevertheless doesn’t.</p>
<p>So sense this is true, don’t assume that a Black person or Latino person got in because they are black. There is more to an application than SAT scores. That is one of the most ignorant things I have heard. Asians are not superior in any way to any other race, neither are Whites. </p>
<p>Stop assuming so much. Open your eyes to the bigger picture. Good for georgetown for admitting so many blacks, however this is not a race. It is equality. </p>
<p>All I am saying is don’t try to compare lower grades, SAt scores or etc to Blacks.Its stereotyping and ignorant. Statistics do not represent a whole race. So stop assuming.</p>
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<p>Nope. We are not. Not at all. We have to do 10 times as much work that the other races in schools. Its not uncommon. There is a reason why WE are under represented. It doesn’t have anything to do with Gender or income. Its the race of a Latino or Black. The automatic stereotype that comes in mind.
Why is it, that this is okay.</p>
<p>Asian/White gets into Harvard, Black/Latino person doesnt “Hey dude I knew you were smart blah blah blah”</p>
<p>Black/LAtino person gets into Harvard, Asian/White doesn’t “Man I can’t even believe this, its only because hes Black/Latino. I hate Affirmative Action.”
Saying that, I am done with this conversation. I can’t argue against closed minds who haven’t experienced being black or latino in America. ?Unless you know what the odds are against you being a black or latino minority, you can’t tell me anything, because most likely, your too caught up in your life to see how it is on the other side and so quick to judge.</p>
<p>AlterEgoo, I agree with you in what you say. A Latino won’t get in simply because of being Latino. And there is indeed more to an applicatoin than SAT scores - but who said there isn’t? This thread IS about SAT scores and that’s why we tried to focus on this factor…and why couldn’t the stats from College Board Represent the whole population?:)</p>
<p>I don’t agree with any claims saying that one race is better than another. I’m just saying that colleges DO give extra considerations to minorities for whatever reason it may be. I do not necessarily agree with affirmative action, and I know for sure that many, many minorities would get admitted to schools even if it weren’t for affirmative action, but I’m saying that it DOES exist.</p>
<p>There is no doubt that the affirmative action measures of the 1960s served as a catalyst for diversification of student bodies in universities and colleges throughout United States. The admissions process intended to lure URM students of the late 1960s and early 1970s is certainly not the admissions process of 2011. </p>
<p>Certainly there are students who fall at all points across the spectra of the SAT/ACT percentiles. It makes no sense to admit ANY student, URM or not, if they have not met the academic threshold (some spot on the percentile range). If the ADCOMS simply lowered the university standards theyd be setting up the students for certain failure, which makes absolutely no sense if the point is to retain URM students for diversification of the student body on campus. </p>
<p>The Ivies and other top colleges screen ALL their applicants with the greatest scrutiny, holding them to the highest of standards. You can look at U.S. News & World Report to see that their freshman retention rates are between 95 99% & more importantly the graduation rates fall between 88 98%. Georgetown graduation rates are 93%. The published rates are so high because they admit students who have demonstrated their intellectual prowess through academics, standardized testing, passion for learning and leadership through EC activities or service projects.</p>
<p>At the core, Georgetown ADCOMS feel these students can handle the academic rigor of the course work required (again, they are not interested in setting up students for failure). 1789 touched on the fact that GU is an incredibly diverse campus… and from what I’ve seen on campus he/she is absolutely correct. “Georgetown also met many of its admissions goals in terms of diversity. …Additionally, 151 African-American students and a record-high 169 Latino students have committed to Georgetown, giving the university a 40.5 and 45.6 percent yield rate respectively among these groups.” [The</a> Hoya](<a href=“http://www.thehoya.com/mobile/waitlist-closed-as-yield-nears-50-1.2237510]The”>http://www.thehoya.com/mobile/waitlist-closed-as-yield-nears-50-1.2237510) </p>
<p>All things being equal a URM may stand a better a chance at admission (simply diversify the campus because not as many apply) BUT are still required to meet the same academic range as other applicants. To make sweeping generalizations marginalizes the tremendous scholarly achievements of URMs who received offers of admission.</p>
<p>That isn’t true at all… I’m a first hand witness of a URM being admitted to the same ivy that a white guy I know was rejected from. URM has worse stats across the board and very lack-luster ECs. A black woman’s 1900 is the white man’s 2150, and that’s not fair.</p>
<p>People are trying to judge prettyawesome27 way too much…anything he says someone is jumping on him for being racist. From observation a 1400 SAT score would get a black student into a better school than a 1400 from an asian student…maybe the black student can provide great ideas and perspectives to a college, and maybe the asian student can, that however isn’t what prettyawesome is trying to say…it is true that URM’s have hooks and students with hooks can be accepted with lower credentials. Same thing goes for students who are the first in their family to go to college. This is not racist and race has nothing to do with it, but it is the way colleges view hooks.</p>