SAT OR ACT More Closely Related to IQ?

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<p>I wasn’t saying this. I was quoting it. That’s why I put a “>” sign at the start of it, just as I am with your message now.</p>

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<p>There’s a r=.92 correlation between ACT composite and SAT M+CR.</p>

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<p>If standardized tests are not considered “fair” at more and more schools and so they are going test optional, why do so many of these schools still rely on them in handing out merit aid?</p>

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<p>Son’s score </p>

<p>2008: SAT 1200
2010:PSAT 173
2011: SAT 2000
2011:PSAT 219 </p>

<p>2012: SAT Pending.</p>

<p>However I do not believe that a GPA elminiates biases that exist in standardized test scores. In son’s case the standardized tests are the only thing that will save him in admission. As the parent of a Hispanic who moved from Hispanic schools to a mainstream high school, I ask, who can say the teachers/ admn at a mainstream school who grant GPAs have less biases than the standardized test makers?</p>

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<p>SAT is definitely better for IQ purposes, but is nowhere near perfect.</p>

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<p>That’s over three years, though (possibly four school years). If someone took an IQ test at, say, 14 but claimed to be 17 and got a score of, say, 95 but then took another at 17, claimed to be 17, and got a score of, say, 122, such growth would not be unreasonable, because IQ tests take age into account. People in higher grades tend to get higher scores on the SAT and ACT, just as people tend to get higher raw scores on IQ tests as they age, though their percentiles, and hence IQ scores, tend to stay roughly the same. I’m not saying that your son didn’t work hard, but his improvements aren’t as atypical - or as damaging to the idea that SAT scores tend to stay within a certain range - as you might think.</p>

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<p>Look again, there is a 500+ point jump in 2.5 years (1200 to 1730). Then another almost 500 point jump in another 1.0 years. (173 to 219)</p>

<p>(As percentile ranks go 219 on the PSAT is the equivalent to ~2270 on the SAT according to a xiggi calculation). </p>

<p>The average would be 60 point jumps a year, according to Duke U. TIP. ~1500 -1600 today.</p>

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<p>S tested “gifted” at age 5 (146 IQ). His scores in all standardized tests throughout elementary, middle and high school were at the 99% level including the 7th grade SAT for Duke TIP. PSAT, SAT and ACT. His preparation was attending good public school gifted programs from 1-12 grades. The constant was that he always finished and had time to check his answers long before the allotted time lapsed. He did equally well in both math and reading/writing. He went to a top 10 private university and at the end took the LSAT (no prep) and for the first time ever he did not have enough time to finish a standardized test. Moral of the story: Even the best test takers need to practice and become familiar with the type of test they’ll be taking.</p>

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<p>So true.</p>

<p>Despite an apparently high correlation (is r = .82 a high correlation? I never took stats …), one very important difference between IQ tests and the SAT/ACT is that IQ tests aren’t highly coachable. The SAT/ACT are HIGHLY coachable tests. Which is why top test coaches in NYC get paid $500-1000 per hour.</p>

<p>Given the huge and increasing importance of SAT/ACT scores in college admissions, the biggest difference most parents can make to their students SAT/ACT scores is to hire the best test coach they can afford (after first convincing their son/daughter to take test prep seriously and practice very hard for several months leading up to t-day).</p>

<p>So, although high income families can’t easily raise their children’s IQ scores, they CAN certainly raise their children’s SAT/ACT scores far beyond those of similarly intelligent and academically qualified teens from poor or lower-middle class families … for whom the only real alternative is to find the motivation to self-study a stack of test prep books and the discipline to take and carefully critique LOTS of high quality practice tests on their own.</p>

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<p>drusba:</p>

<p>Do you have any sources to cite for the very interesting story you told about the SAT in post 18? I’ve heard similar stories myself, but am not sure if they’re to be believed in all (or any) of their details. Yours seemed especially intriguing and entertaining, and I’d love to be able to quote it, after confirming its veracity.</p>

<p>Can you tell us how you know this is a true story? Any links you can provide?</p>

<p>Thanks.</p>

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<p>IQ tests are coachable. >.></p>

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<p>An interesting thread with examples of SAT scores changing from 7th grade to Junior year:</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-act-tests-test-preparation/78732-7th-grade-sat-act-scores.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-act-tests-test-preparation/78732-7th-grade-sat-act-scores.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>chrisrb, I read similar things many years ago when looking up background information about the test(s) given to my children (WPPSI-R, WISC II? can’t remember). To comment on post 24 by jonri, S2 (145, same test, same school psychologist) had completely different subcategory numbers. His scores 1-12 grade were always high math, lower reading/writing. He excels in music/visual arts. Johns Hopkins’ SET Program can monitor your progress after age 12 even though you don’t participate in their Summer courses, I think, all the way through college. It’s a shame we didn’t follow through on that because it would be interesting to know how the subcategory numbers have played out. There is also a lot of background information if you look up the Duke TIP.</p>

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<p>At the time I also found a lot of information on a website of the Department of Education called ERIC (eric.ed.gov)</p>

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<p>The SAT and ACT aren’t THAT coachable. Test prep books’ practice tests are typically harder than the real tests to make customers feel as though they have helped them.</p>

<p>IQ tests are not very coachable, but they are not entirely un-coachable. Practice can improve one’s score, though not by that much. The main difference, I think, is that people are discouraged from trying to practice for IQ tests because the idea is that, if IQ scores can change, they lose their meaning.</p>

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<p><a href=“As%20percentile%20ranks%20go%20219%20on%20the%20PSAT%20is%20the%20equivalent%20to%20%7E2270%20on%20the%20SAT%20according%20to%20a%20xiggi%20calculation”>quote</a>.

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<p>That was a mistake, I shoulld have said silverturtle (sorry)</p>

<p>This table is centered at 214 PSAT for 99 percentile. In 2011 the PSAT was centered 2 intervals lower at 212. So, one can add 2 points to the 2011 PSAT score to find the class rank equivalent SAT score: </p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-preparation/822539-silverturtles-approximations-psat-percentiles-sat-concordances.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/sat-preparation/822539-silverturtles-approximations-psat-percentiles-sat-concordances.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>In son’s case, percentile rank for 2011 PSAT of 219= table PSAT of 221 = SAT of 2270.</p>

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<p>The Sat has to be check out statistics</p>

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<p>I am off by one interval, looking at the percentile ranks for 2011, 99th percentile begins at PSAT 211. In comparsion 99th percentile for 2009 (Silverturtle’s chart) began at PSAT 212. </p>

<p><a href=“http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/understanding-psat-nmsqt-scores.pdf[/url]”>http://professionals.collegeboard.com/profdownload/understanding-psat-nmsqt-scores.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>That said, I have not found a single example so far, of a 1050+ point jump in the SAT between Duke TIP 7th and jr year (SAT/ PSAT equivalent score) in any of the threads on cc. If you know or learn of any examples, please be sure to point it out to me. thanks.</p>

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<p>The SAT or ACT can be cracked by smart students, but they are not really IQ tests. Colleges use this test to pick out the students they think are smart enough for their institution. </p>

<p>[SAT</a> Exam – How Do Colleges Use the SAT II?](<a href=“SAT Exam”>SAT Exam)</p>

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<p>I’m not comparing the two as I’ve only had SAT experience. The math portion, sure, as long as you don’t memorize every type of question they have in their library to ask you.
The English portions, grammar rules/vocabulary is not fully intelligence. You have to study to learn those.</p>