<p>Being a non-Mexican//Rican Hispanic, this data very much intrigues me.</p>
<p>Using my recently found knowledge of Z-Scores from AP Statistics, I just calculated that weighted by race, a [non-Mexican//Rican] Hispanic 2040 is more exceptional than an Asian 2400.</p>
<p>BTW if someone doesn't know... a z-score = (score-mean)/standard deviation</p>
<p>Z-scores correspond to percentages if you want to look up a z-score table online to see where you fall % wise.</p>
<p>im surprised that no1 finds this data interesting</p>
<p>well i was born in south america and lived there until i was 8 and i got a math-780 Cr-660 and W-640 so i guess im in good shape</p>
<p>I like how I would be in the 97th percentile of Asians if I get an 800 on the SAT math... bastards</p>
<p>i am half black/ half puerto rican (apply as black) as actually find it quite pathetic that a 1350/2400 is in the 60TH PERCENTILE for blacks! That is only 450 per section. I didnt even do that well scoring a mere 1850/2400 but for blacks that would be in the ~96th percentile! I could actually cut my ENTIRE Writing section section, STILL base the score on the 2400 system, and STILL be in the top 50th percentile. Seriously does anyone see anythinig wrong with that?</p>
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i am half black/ half puerto rican (apply as black) as actually find it quite pathetic that a 1350/2400 is in the 60TH PERCENTILE for blacks! That is only 450 per section. I didnt even do that well scoring a mere 1850/2400 but for blacks that would be in the ~96th percentile! I could actually cut my ENTIRE Writing section section, STILL base the score on the 2400 system, and STILL be in the top 50th percentile. Seriously does anyone see anythinig wrong with that?
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<p>I do. It's bittersweet in my particular situation. My S numbers put him among the top 1% of AA test takers which puts him in an enviable position, but the number of statistically qualified AA is so low, it's troubling. Absolutely mindboggling. Share those numbers with some in the AA community, and get ready for the backlash. There have been many threads on the causes, reasons, effects, and solutions, but the bottom line is, until these potential solutions are realized, and applied on a large scale, I am not hopeful that the trend will reverse itself anytime soon.</p>
<p>I scored a 2370 and I'm black. Basically that would be near impossible given the stats. Yeah, and I don't think I'm looking at top schools any longer if it makes any of you guys feel better.</p>
<p>Yeah those statistics are very disturbing and perplexing..How is it that Hispanic Americans who typically speak English as a second language perform better than African Americans who are native English speakers? But I agree with madville, there are numerous reasons for this.</p>
<p>FredFredBurger why are you no longer looking at top schools?</p>
<p>" im surprised that no1 finds this data interesting"</p>
<p>Oh it's interesting alright, and too complex it seems, to explain, at least by this august group. With regard to Hispanic americans vs. African americans, I think Hispanic Americans might be a much more hetrogenous group, and perhaps as difficult to lump together as "Asian-American".</p>
<p>i m confused - what is the difference btwn "african american" and "black american"?</p>
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<p>You've had very thoughtful posts here on CC; I'd encourage you to keep aiming high in your applications. Do definitely apply to a "safety" college, but after that, why not reach for the stars? A score of 2370 looks good coming from anyone.</p>
<p>Our county sends our "report cards" on the schools that break down acheivement test score by both race and income (only crudely for income-- subsidized lunch qualification is the standard used). </p>
<p>On my son's high school's "report card" and my daughter's elementary school's report card the gap between black and white students was about 30 points. The gap between poor and non -poor was significantly wider-- about 40 points (the scale is 130 point rating used in the state acheivement tests). In our community, blacks experience a significantly higher rate of poverty than whites. Looking at the report cards, I wondered is the race gap mostly attributable to the income gap?</p>
<p>^well, the thing is that even on a similar income level, african americans score lower than other groups, so it goes beyond the income gap.</p>
<p>^^the difference is that black americans also encompasses immigrants from Africa and the Carribean who tend to be wealthy and high achieving, while african americans refers to those with multigenerational roots back to the days of slavery in this country.</p>
<p>I'm actually finding it hard to believe that me scoring a 640 on the math puts me between the 95 and 98 percentile for blacks.</p>
<p>LOL @ 3 percent of asians scoring 800 on math ... the stereotype is kind of true...</p>
<p>Edit: Wow, and 9 percent score above 750. Nearly 1 in 10.</p>
<p>some race are just better at academics.
some race are just better at athletics.</p>
<p>it's just the way it is.
we all acknowedge black ppl are better at basketball
why cant we accept that asians are better at academics</p>
<p>Because it is very, very difficult to tease out the cultural influence on either athletics or academics. The asian cultures tend to approach academics differently than Americans do: more time studying combined with a cultural belief that study works (vs. the more American belief in innate talent).<br>
With athletics, the more of a population that plays regularly, the more likely that population is to produce proffessional athletes. So, maybe the differences are solely cultural, maybe solely genes, maybe some combination.</p>
<p>My bet is mostly cultural.</p>
<p>They're merely numbers, and since they're from a reliable source, I'm afraid we can't really deny the general trend among races. Yet, statistics are often misleading. There're a lot of variables which weren't taken into account. </p>
<p>"The asian cultures tend to approach academics differently than Americans do: more time studying combined with a cultural belief that study works (vs. the more American belief in innate talent). " <-- You've put it brilliantly, thank you!</p>
<p>p/s: I just saw the title of an LA Times article on the front page of CC: "Stanford football players use their brains", I don't think I could have said it better myself. One must be totally brainless in order to write such an article!</p>
<p>hmm, are there any statistics regarding international test-takers?
Or do they fall into the "others" category?</p>
<p>asians triumph in math!!!</p>