Source: direct from school website and/or College Advising Dept.
Note: Median average about 20 points higher than Mean average. Scores shown above are Mean averages.
Note: A school’s Mean is not the midpoint between its SAT 25%-75% range. For example, the midpoint of Deerfield 25%-75% range is 1400, however its Mean is 1420.
So the challenge with this information, as posted, is that it is wrong. I did not go through school by school, but I looked at the first 2 to confirm that this information was not reported by the schools.
The vast majority report 25th and 75th percentiles and/or mean for EBRW and for math separately. One cannot simply add the numbers together with accuracy, although sites like Prepscholar make this error year after year.
Don’t get me started on how statistically insignificant the difference is in the mean at Andover versus Deerfield (as one example).
@skieurope For PA and PEA, the ERW and Math Means were added together. For Hotchkiss, Lawrenceville, Concord, Milton, Deerfield, Groton, Choate, Cate, SPS, Thacher - those are means provided by the schools.
I’ll disagree with you that a 40 point difference is not significant.
I also don’t think the scores reflect the education received at the school. They reflect the ssat scores/testing ability of kids entering the school and money spent on tutors/retakes and peer pressure to prep for the tests and do well.
Just to add to my comment above…
As an example, my kid and his friend group all scored very very well on the SATs, with one retaking it because near perfect just wasn’t perfect enough. But BUT they all started with perfect or near perfect SSATs. So again, it’s not a reflection of the school, per se.
@carpoolingma I agree SAT scores are not a reflection of the quality of the education at any given school. There is also generally less time and ability to prep for SATs at boarding schools than at local day schools.
Source: direct from school website and/or College Advising Dept.
Note: Median average about 20 points higher than Mean average. Scores shown above are Mean averages.
Note: A school’s Mean is not the midpoint between its SAT 25%-75% range. For example, the midpoint of Deerfield 25%-75% range is 1400, however its Mean is 1420.
Note: For Concord, MX, Peddie, PA, PEA, the ERW and Math mean averages were added together. For Hotchkiss, Lawrenceville, Milton, Deerfield, Groton, Choate, Cate, SPS, Thacher - those are single figure mean averages provided or published by the schools.
So back to my original point, it’s wrong since the mean of EBRW + M is not the mean of EBRW plus the mean of M. Which makes the whole list a comparison of apples and oranges and any analysis subject to the principle of “garbage in, garbage out.”
@SportyPrep Your SPS means are wrong. The Math mean is 1430. The ERW mean is 1410. The school does NOT provide a total mean, so I’m not sure how you obtained your total number.
To place the SPS college matriculation numbers in post #9 above in context, St. Paul’s School had 139 seniors (6th formers) for the class of 2018. The list is cumulative data for the most recent 4 graduating classes (2015, 2016, 2017 & 2018).
The only thing that really matters is your own score. For the record, while many raise their scores quite a bit many others will come into BS with a stronger bent one way or another. It’s unlikely a kid with 65% SSAT scores will score 1600 on the SAT, for example. Like the SSAT, it’s only one measurement albeit important. So low(er) scores can reflect a number of variances.
Also, how they report, matter A LOT. IF they are reporting only the highest scores that is NOT a comparison to another school reporting differently.
We noticed when looking at BS, that some are very interested in presenting the best marketing snapshot to parents. Some count things in a way that makes their Ivy league acceptances highly visible or their acceptance rates highly important. They don’t tell prospectives who care about these things that most of these kids are legacy or Div I athletes. People don’t always observe or care how the info is presented. Others are looking for a balanced approach or a combination of various factors.
As a parent, I care that the overall level is good. Doesn’t have to be great, just good enough that I know the kids are getting the basics and a strong education. I do care, however, about my own kids scores. My own kid scored very high and that score spread across a few lower scores would raise their scores considerably. That’s the nature of numbers. Unless you can see all scores on a bell curve, you really don’t know what the true picture is.
@GoatMama 2018 SPS School profile (website) states:
Form of 2018 Average SAT score (1600 scale) 1389 (or converted ACT score)
Happy to send you the link.
@Publisher uh, listing matriculation? You’re just a little off topic.
SPS Profile
NEW STUDENTS FOR FALL 2018
Applications 1374 Percent admitted 16.8 Enrolled 171 Percent from domestic private schools 49 Percent from domestic public schools 37 Percent from international private schools 11 Percent from international public schools 3 SSAT Middle 50% Quantitative 710-767 SSAT Middle 50% Verbal 686-758 SSAT Middle 50% Reading 674-725
Median GPA
3.78
Form of 2018 Average SAT score (1600 scale) 1389 (or converted ACT score)
@SportyPrep: Just emphasizing that your SPS SAT mean numbers contained in the original post in this thread were inaccurate.
College matriculation is relevant since the primary purpose of taking the SAT is for college admission. (That is why many of your reported SAT numbers came from the, as you wrote, “College Advising Dept.”.)
P.S. For SPS college matriculation information, I used the link provided by GoatMama in post #8 above.
The SPS 1389 includes a large number (66) of “converted ACT scores” so it is clearly not an accurate figure. It includes 105 SAT scores. This graduating class had 139 members.
The typical graduating class size at SPS is around 140 students.
: So back to my original point, it’s wrong since the mean of
: EBRW + M is not the mean of EBRW plus the mean of M.
No dog in this general fight, but I just want to clarify that for MEANS and means only, the mean of EBRW + the mean of Math WILL get you the mean of (EBRW + Math). Not true for medians, 25th/75th percentiles, etc., but it is true for means.
Quick proof:
mean of (EBRW + Math) = (sum of all EBRW scores + sum of all Math scores) / number of students
mean of EBRW + mean of Math = sum of all EBRW scores/number of students + sum of all Math scores/number of students = (sum of all EBRW scores + sum of all Math scores) / number of students
