Say no to government takeover of healthcare

<p>I will be sure to say no to a government takeover of health care … if I ever see it. In the meantime, let’s pray that the Democrats can pass this historic legislation and bring us a step closer to the civilized world!</p>

<p>btw - I love how the OP says “Healthcare will ruin the country”. I guess when all you have is a sickcare system, one would come to that conclusion. Sad that taking care of peoples’ health is seen as ruining a country. Seems that would be fundamental to improving it.</p>

<p>But, then again, I guess Medicare and military health care are dangerous socialist programs as well.</p>

<p>Sad how far our once great nation has fallen into greed.</p>

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<p>Frankly, I’d be happy if the government gave me a house, food, a car, and vacation time to boot, who cares if it costs the country a fortune and drags us into more debt.</p>

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<p>Anyone who says this is not one of the most expensive programs that the U.S. could be possibly doing right now is either lying or misinformed. It is nothing more than a redistribution of wealth, which I don’t see as improving the U.S.</p>

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<p>Have you ever even heard of capitalism? Stay in school kiddies.</p>

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<p>Erm… I still agree. We’re spending trillions of dollars fighting wars right now. Why not spend a little more and make sure that our fellow citizens have food, shelter, and a job?</p>

<p>Then how could grocery stores work, amarkov? I have no choice but to eat. Surely my lack of choice about needing to eat means that I’ll starve while grocery stores raise their prices ever higher. The market economy provides both necessities and luxuries by the same processes. The only arguable “special cases” are natural monopolies, things like electric power or sewage systems, where competition in a single area is pretty much impossible. Then we must choose among evils: unregulated monopoly, regulated monopoly, or complete government ownership and administration of the monopoly.</p>

<p>Health care is not one of those natural monopolies, beyond limiting contagions or genuine public health emergencies.</p>

<p>And most medical services are for ailments which are not immediately life-threatening, thus giving patients time to shop around. That’s if we actually had a market-based healthcare system where shopping around was possible. Thanks to labor monopolies via licensing, burdensome regulations making it extremely expensive for new providers to emerge and compete, bizarre insurance regulations seemingly designed to make health insurance a hassle, and a culture that demands routine care be provided by an insurance company (rather than out-of-pocket, relying on insurance only for bank-busting health issues), and about a jillion other little complaints here and there that add up (foreign governments driving up the cost of our own drugs by buying so cheap, government subsidies squeezing costs onto the private healthcare consumer, etc.), we don’t have a market-based healthcare system, yet Democrats seem to act as if we do so they can trash it, and Republicans act as if we do so they can defend it.</p>

<p>A market-based system, the same system that gives us restaurants, grocery stores, cell phones, computers, cars, etc., would work if it was allowed to work. As it is the government tells me (through licensing laws and regulations) who I can hire to provide medical services, what drugs I may buy and from whom, what services I <em>must</em> buy if I want to buy a health insurance plan, where to buy health insurance from, who to buy it from, etc. You know, thanks to the FDA, it takes eight years and two billion dollars to bring a drug to market? And people have the nerve to complain to <em>drug companies</em> about why drugs are so expensive?</p>

<p>Imagine if I broke my arm and wanted to go to a cheap little clinic where instead of a doctor, I saw somebody who took a one-year course in basic broken-bone-fixing. He fixes my arm and gives me some pain killers for less than a hundred bucks. But such a clinic would be illegal. The government insists that for my own protection I must see a fully-trained, fully licensed doctor, not even just a nurse, but a doctor, whose time and labor is much more expensive (and far more qualified than I need for the job). Yes, I’m taking a risk by seeing the clinic guy instead of a doctor, but I’m an adult and I make my own choices. It’s like being forced to buy a Rolls Royce if you want a car. Sorry, consumer, you can’t have that Honda, and we’ll send anybody to jail to tries to sell it to you. For your own good, you must buy a Rolls Royce.</p>

<p>There’s little choice as it is, this so-called reform will rob us of even more of it.</p>

<p>amarkov, you are aware that any money spent by the government to provide food, shelter, and a job, must first be taken <em>out</em> of the economy in the form of taxes, right? It doesn’t just come from nowhere.</p>

<p>I am aware of that. The thing about taxes, though, is that you still have to give tax money if it does not personally benefit you. Sound theory or not, I’d really rather not have my medical care be contingent on the profit margins of the people who are providing it.</p>

<p>Conservatives are so funny :)</p>

<p>Canadian by the way, I don’t really have any input but we have it pretty good here. Also I read that this bill is gonna pull your country out of a lot of debt and have paid for itself within like 10 years. Chin up guys.</p>

<p>Do you really want to end up like this?
[YouTube</a> - Tea Partiers Mock And Scorn Apparent Parkinson’s Victim](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ik4f1dRbP8)</p>

<p>^ That link is sickening. I saw it a few days ago on CNN and wanted to cry for the s**thole that our country is turning into. </p>

<p>The simple fact that ANYONE- American or not- could do this, makes me remember why I like non-human animals more than humans most of the time.</p>

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<p>I agree! A lot of American’s seem to really hold on to the traditional view and are scared to death of things being socialized. But I think things like this SHOULD be socialized. And it doesn’t mean Obama is an undercover socialist ;D</p>

<p>Also romanigypsyeyes-</p>

<p>check this response video out, the man holds a doctorate in nuclear engineering and used to teach at U Mich. He just wants people to have a certain quality of life.</p>

<p>[YouTube</a> - Targeted by the Tea Party: Parkinson’s Hero Speaks](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfvnNzgQy7Q]YouTube”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfvnNzgQy7Q)</p>

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<p>Agreed, I was planning to leave long before Obama came to force his socialist propaganda on the people.</p>

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<p>So… are you still here? Oh, and where do you plan on going?</p>

<p>Jfrzen- thanks for the link.</p>

<p>Middle East</p>

<p>XD You have GOT to be a ■■■■■</p>

<p>I bet Fox News is your favorite news station as well, huh?</p>

<p>^^ Well, have fun over there. Don’t worry- you won’t be much missed :). </p>

<p>Do check in periodically and let us know how it’s going.</p>

<p>^ He/she is, but it’s so much fun to make fun of him/her because there really are people who genuinely think the way he/she does (as is evidenced by this thread).</p>

<p>Don’t patronize me because you know I’m right.</p>

<p>^ I’m not patronizing you- I’m wishing you a good time. Why must conservatives be so paranoid?</p>

<p>I’m not a conservative, I’m an independent. Oh and thanks</p>

<p>^ There is no such thing as an independent on the conservative/liberal scale. :rolleyes:</p>

<p>Where specifically in the Middle East?</p>

<p>Somewhere where you won’t be able to find me :)</p>

<p>you’re a pure breed liberal aren’t you btw.</p>