SCAD in general

Colleges and Universities A-Z Savannah College of Art and Design
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<p>Sorry, SCAD does not provide work-study internships. You want an internship, you will need to compete with other applicants. It's up to you. However, did I not just post about the relationship with Electronic Arts, and I understand that SCAD also has positions set up with Gulfstream - <a href="http://www.gulfstream.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.gulfstream.com&lt;/a>, and a global manufacturer of construction vehicles, JCB - <a href="http://www.jcb.com%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.jcb.com&lt;/a>. There may well be others that I do not know of since I was only able to ask one prof in G.D. today.</p>

<p>Perhaps things are not as they seem after all, and the college has initiated agreements with other companies.</p>

<p>Time to grow up kids.</p>

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<p>//That's my point exactly. The internships are not paid and are for course credit only.//</p>

<p>And where exactly in Savannah do you suppose these opportunities exist? I named two legit opps above, but where else?</p>

<p>Kroger?</p>

<p>It takes time to nurture opportunities, especially outside of the local area. I believe this is happening as demonstrated by the agreement with EA.</p>

<p>Some additional research allowed me to discover that SCAD has 2 interns at Apple Computer this summer; 16 with Disney; 8 with Rhythm and Hues, 1 each at General Motors, Liz Claiborne, MTV, Reebok, Gap, General Electric, etc. Obviously there are more, but these are among the more high profile opps.</p>

<p>Too bad about all the obstacles these students had to overcome. Sheesh.</p>

<p>Here is a list of companies that recruit at SCAD:
<a href="http://www.scad.edu/services/careerservices/meetrecruiter.cfm%5B/url%5D"&gt;http://www.scad.edu/services/careerservices/meetrecruiter.cfm&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Funny, it doesn't list the CIA (maybe a smart thing). I remember when they held an info recruitment session.</p>

<p>Time to grow up kids.</p>

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<p>//The internships are not paid and are for course credit only.//</p>

<p>Well, I've got my own issues with that whole concept (like how students who normally work for their rent are supposed to take a non-paying job, or how this practice deflates the salaries of design professionals), so I'll back off of that one now. That was a fact I was unaware of.</p>

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<p>//And where exactly in Savannah do you suppose these opportunities exist? I named two legit opps above, but where else?//</p>

<p>Once again, a reply that makes no sense. I am not talking about internships in Savannah and never even mentioned such a thing! I don't know how you get these ideas into your head, but I specifically said 'a big cable network'. I think everyone knows there are no big cable networks based in Savannah. Big cable networks are in NYC, LA, Atlanta. Obviously internships of that type are not going to be in Savannah.</p>

<p>//You want an internship, you will need to compete with other applicants.//</p>

<p>Must I say it again? Your responses make no sense and are not logical responses to the concerns I have brought up. I am not saying students should expect to get their hand held in regards to applying for an internship. Of course you have to compete with other applicants. But if a student is interested in applying for an internship and would like to have the school's help towards reaching that goal, the school should help them - especially if they already have the association established. Obviously the company offering the internship is going to pick the candidate they feel is best.</p>

<p>I find it unusual how many of RainingAgain's responses are so quick to place the blame on the students and also continually stress that SCAD should not be expected to support or help them achieve their goals. No wonder they hired you, you're exactly the kind of person they'd want in their ranks. 'The student is always wrong no matter what the circumstances, and we are always right no matter what the circumstances.' Typical SCAD staffer if you ask me. And yes, I know you don't work there anymore.</p>

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<p>Just spoke with another friend of mine who was a professor not too long ago at SCAD. While he confirmed the cult-like monarchy is still very much present, he said he liked it there, that is, up until he had a disagreement with administration. Then they made things very difficult for him, so he left. One very telling and important statement he made to me was, "All the good professors leave, the bad ones stay."</p>

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<p>//BTW, if you dug a little further you would have discovered that his wife was first fired for some egregious behavior, but he never reveals or publicizes this directly does he?//</p>

<p>I wouldn't know because due to SCAD shutting down every single site that has anything negative to say about them, I can't do as much research about all the things I'd hoped I could. Believe me, I wanna know anything and everything. But like so many organizations that have something to hide, they are adamant about destroying any evidence that could incriminate them. So, people interested in gathering info on both sides of the story, can't. Which brings me to another point. According to RainingAgain, it's NOT okay for Mr. Houeix to present his one-sided 'negative' view but it IS okay for SCAD make every attempt to hide that and present their one-sided 'positive' view. Even though there are hundreds of complaints about SCAD from all types of people, based on RainingAgain's comments, they are not to be believed. On the other hand, we ARE supposed to believe all of RainingAgain's positive comments about the school..um..why? Because he says so?</p>

<p>To quote the upstanding citizen that fights for all that is good and true (relatively speaking) in regards to SCAD:
"Time to grow up kids."</p>

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<p>//I wouldn't know because due to SCAD shutting down every single site that has anything negative to say about them, I can't do as much research about all the things I'd hoped I could.//</p>

<p>What "other" sites? </p>

<p>SCAD didn't shut Houeix down. He sold the domain to them. SCAD did block access to the site from the college servers. Why? Because someone went around and made it the default page for all the lab computers. Funny I think, but I can't deny them the right to have blocked it.</p>

<p>BTW, the research I spoke of IS contained within that site, so why you are complaining I don't know? SCAD cannot shut down access to anything outside of their local network. What else do they shut down locally? Access to porn sites, hate sites, etc. So if you live in a dorm, sorry no pornography for you.</p>

<p>//But like so many organizations that have something to hide, they are adamant about destroying any evidence that could incriminate them. So, people interested in gathering info on both sides of the story, can't.//</p>

<p>The problem with Mr. Houeix's site iwas that he posted anything and everything regardless of accuracy and with no effort to differentiate fact from libelous anecdotes.</p>

<p>//According to RainingAgain, it's NOT okay for Mr. Houeix to present his one-sided 'negative' view but it IS okay for SCAD make every attempt to hide that and present their one-sided 'positive' view.//</p>

<p>If SCAD publishes anything untrue they should be taken to task just as well. In fact, I do believe that SCAD followed inappropriate procedures with Mr. Houeix. They let him earn credits toward a degree by registering for classes but completing the work, in effect, by independent study. Thus he never had to attend a class. In many ways they were trying to accommodate him, by allowing him to teach his craft and expertise while attaining the appropriate academic credentials as required for accreditation. Understand, that if you work 30 years in a field, NASAD and SACS does not consider you as qualified to teach as someone who goes straight from a BFA to an MFA to a position as a professor. Ridiculous? I think so. </p>

<p>This was the case with Mr. Houeix, and I think SCAD may have looked the other way a bit because he was also teaching the subject matter based upon professional expertise and experience, and the Dean accepted the teaching itself as means to evaluate grades in classes for which he was registered. Now, this was NOT an issue for him until his wife was fired and he decided to become vindicative. I many ways, he was a conspirator himself.</p>

<p>//Even though there are hundreds of complaints about SCAD from all types of people, based on RainingAgain's comments, they are not to be believed.//</p>

<p>Hello? If the complaints are based upon misperception or misinformation, I will correct them. If not, let them stand. I have my own complaints as well based upon my time at the college, but I have also witnessed change and evolution. Not all is perfect I am sure, and I do believe that students enter college many times believing that it is the college's obligation to "parent" and hand-ho;d the student to a job waiting for them upon graduation. This is largely due to the cost of going to a college; when you spend $100,000-plus, expectations are high. Regardless, it is up to each student to take advantage of the opportunities the college offers, and work their butts off. There are no guarantees.</p>

<p>Still, students like to point fingers at the college rather than themselves. This is a common point of discussion of faculty who are often fingered directly, and contrary to your assertions, the perception of the faculty is that the administration is much more supportive of the students and that faculty are losing their autonomy over grading especially. This is not limited to SCADl I have had similar discussions with faculty at other institutes and grade inflation is a national epidemic.</p>

<p>BTW, I recognize one of the posts on that site authored by a particular professor of mine, complaining about being fired. Funny, he didn't mention how being arrested at a local mall for perverted behavior contributed to his dismissal.</p>

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<p>//SCAD cannot shut down access to anything outside of their local network.//</p>

<p>They can, via the use of lawsuits and/or complaining to the hosting service about the content of the website, which they tried to do with Houeix for both sites he operated. The courts ruled in his favor so I wonder if SCAD, much like The Godfather, "made him an offer he couldn't refuse."</p>

<p>scadsucks.com is a site that no longer exists either. I don't know what happened but SCAD now owns that domain too. As well as scadsucks.org, .net, .info, etc. They are obviously trying their hardest to make sure no one can create a site with a negative slant and buying up all conceiveable URLs. And before you jump to defend them with a reply like, "Can you blame them?" From a very basic standpoint, no. But from the standpoint of knowing the nefarious deeds they are capable of and have committed, it seems very suspicious that they are putting so much effort into it. Why bother unless they really don't want people to have a dedicated forum to discuss their problems with the school? I just really, really don't like cover-ups.</p>

<p>//it is up to each student to take advantage of the opportunities the college offers, and work their butts off. There are no guarantees.//</p>

<p>Again, no argument there. I don't know why you keep bringing the same thing up over and over again about 'students need to work hard'. That is not the issue. The issue is students, in their efforts to (like you say) 'take advantage of the opportunities the college offers', hit a brick wall when it comes to the college assisting them. That does not seem to have the students interests at heart.</p>

<p>Yes, I agree that a portion of the complaints about the school may be cry-baby students/professors/staff who didn't get their way, but all of it cannot just be blindly dismissed as that. And sure, maybe Houeix didn't present the material as fairly as it could've been, but the sheer number of complaints posted should be at least an indication of something fishy about the way the owners choose to run the place.</p>

<p>To summarize this ongoing relentless debate:
The administration of SCAD has a unfortunate stance of, "You're either with us, or you're against us." Those who do not buy into that are quick to leave or be fired; be it students, faculty, or staff. Those who do, can enjoy a long stay, regardless of their abilities. That unfortunately is a negative in my book as good students/faculty/staff are lost because they have no interest in participating in the petty power struggles the administration is known for.</p>

<p>Story from the early 90s which, according to RainingAgain, does not have any relevance. I beg to differ: I selected the same professor for every one of my Drawing classes back when I attended because he was so good. I was looking forward to taking more classes from him but he was dismissed because he sided with the students when the revolt happened. From what I've been able to determine, that kind of practice still the norm at the school.</p>

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<p>//The administration of SCAD has a unfortunate stance of, "You're either with us, or you're against us." Those who do not buy into that are quick to leave or be fired; be it students, faculty, or staff.//</p>

<p>That was in fact the basis of my dismissal. Because Georgia is an "at will" state, the college can dismiss staff on an hourly pay schedule for whatever reason. I choose to disagree with my superior about policy, and down the road was fired as the relationship became strained. So be it. It pushed me out the door, and I started my own business which led to another which became quite profitable. I still think they acted maliciously when I was terminated, but that's that. Your superior always has the upper hand. But when I weigh all of the good against the one sour end, there's little reason for me to hold any grudge.</p>

<p>//scadsucks.com is a site that no longer exists either.//</p>

<p>Never heard of that one. The courts only ruled in Houeix's favor per the use of the domain, and yes he sold out to the college. I heard for $150,000 but that is hearsay. He took the money and left his ethics behind. If you are legitimately standing up for truth, you don't stand down, IMO. He did. So maybe you can start a site and get them to buy it from you? Call it, scad.corruption.info or something. Maybe you too can get some dough.</p>

<p>//I was looking forward to taking more classes from him but he was dismissed because he sided with the students when the revolt happened. From what I've been able to determine, that kind of practice still the norm at the school.//</p>

<p>I can assure you that faculty feel just the opposite; that the administration caters to the students and bends over backwards for them. Surprised? It is very very true. Why? Because the student has become the customer, and in a litigious society, the customer is always right. It's happening all over education - particularly at costly private schools, and not just at SCAD - where the school makes more money off of a student. The professor is more easily replaced than the student in some ways.</p>

<p>//I was looking forward to taking more classes from him but he was dismissed because he sided with the students when the revolt happened.//</p>

<p>I take no issue with you being upset with what happened in 1992. It was a freaky freaky time. Plus there was the whole SVA thing where some faculty were guilty of conspiring with SVA while under contract to SCAD; you just can't do that. As my friend who graduated in 1992 stated to me, "What started out as a good (reasonable) concern by students, turned into a horror show because it became a tangled web of more than the initial issues the students were concerned about. Yes I do think the Rowans overreacted some., but SCAD was their business venture. They put their money at risk, and some faculty were trying to force them out and using the classrooms to incite the students. </p>

<p>The point I will continue to stress is that I have seen and heard of a great deal of change; that my experience was 98% positive, and that the point-man for all the trouble (Richard and his ego) is long gone. Do some effects linger? I would say yes based upon feedback from friends, but over time it seems to be diminishing, and most importantly, students are gaining national recognition on a regular basis. Meanwhile people like yourself continue to cast the college in a light based upon the early 1990s which I agree, was not so hot. In fact, it was downright ugly in many ways, but 15 years later, you might be surprised at how much the administration does listen to the students.</p>

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<p>//They are obviously trying their hardest to make sure no one can create a site with a negative slant and buying up all conceiveable URLs.//</p>

<p>BTW, you could purchase a domain like, ilovedoughnuts.com, and publish your thoughts on SCAD as well. The domain name itself is only a minor factor in determining search engine relevance and position.</p>

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<p>uhh 95% chance Im going to SCAD as an international student in 2 months, and this thread made me absolutely pessimistic about it.</p>

<p>anyone else going there this fall?</p>

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<p>this thread has turned out to be very much heated... i didn't mean it that way, but whatever.</p>

<p>so i'm gonna attend scad and when i read the posts between the proSCAD against the antiSCAD, i just laughed. this is gonna be interesting. from what i see, i can conclude that SCAD has a shaky reputation. That doesn't mean good nor bad. The fact that certain groups of people can love it so much and certain other groups of people can absolutely hate it (a guy even made his id name in this forum antiSCADgrad) means that there is no way we (people who haven't had any first hand experience at SCAD) can determine whether it's a good place or not. Arguments from both sides seem pretty strong and evidences were also provided. Even until now, we can't 100% confirm whether these pro and anti SCAD people here actually had a first hand experience. You know people tend to exaggerate almost any story they tell...</p>

<p>so for now, let's stop reading this thread b/c it might have some undesired effects on people like me who haven't been in SCAD at all. It doesn't matter whether it's a good or bad influence, but it definitely causes confusion. After all, it's always best to experience things on our own.</p>

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<p>dhillman notes,"The fact that certain groups of people can love it so much and certain other groups of people can absolutely hate it (a guy even made his id name in this forum antiSCADgrad) means that there is no way we (people who haven't had any first hand experience at SCAD) can determine whether it's a good place or not. "</p>

<p>Response: I agee; however, what baffles me is, "why anyone would want to go to SCAD if it has a shaky reputation?" I freely admit ( this is for RainingAgain's sake) that I don't know much about SCAD other than there is a shaky reputation compared to other art school. Thus, why not go elsewhere and NOT take chances?</p>

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<p>well taxguy, since i'm going there, i can try to make some guesses of why people would still go anyway.</p>

<p>some, like me, just don't care anymore. i've heard so many good things and bad things about the college up to the point where i got so confused and decided to "close my brain" away from the outer world regarding this issue.</p>

<p>my other guess might be people who only got into SCAD? maybe they applied to SCAD as their safety and only got in there?</p>

<p>and probably people who got heavily influenced by one side (the proSCAD side) that they became one of them and believe that SCAD is a really good place, even if they might not really know it for themselves.</p>

<p>I'm not saying it's not a good place b/c i don't know myself, but if i judge based on the college visit, it can't be that bad of a place in terms of quality of education. Maybe it's not a good place to live (who knows?) b/c i was actually scared when i first arrived in savannah looking for the college (i passed the ghetto area first). I feel like it's not a "s-h-i-t-ty" college at all, but it might not be the best for some people.</p>

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<p>by the way, if possible, please keep this thread here. i would be more than happy to describe my experience at scad in just a few months from now. since i don't know anything yet now, i wont say anything about it. but i'll have first hand experience in just a few months, and i'll give an unbiased description about the place.</p>

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<p>dhillman, I look forward to hearing about your experiences once you are actually at SCAD! My daughter and I just got back from a visit there, and I'll post a trip report soon.</p>

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<p>if i may know, what grade is your daughter in?</p>

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<p>She is a rising senior.</p>

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<p>for those of you who are going into the film program, you should DEFINITELY take classes from Michael Hofstein. He has worked in the film business for a LONG time and REALLY knows what he is talking about.</p>

<p>He is definitely a sink or swim teacher, but if you work hard and study then you will definitely have no problem getting an A or B in the class.</p>

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<p>school hasn't started yet, but i think i'll write my first report. keep in mind that my reports are going to be unbiased, but they'll be from my point of view when i describe quality or impressive-ness of artworks (you decide whether i have a high standard or not). aside of that, i will only describe facts.</p>

<p>so far, it's been good. everytime i e-mail scad in terms of what i need to prepare for school (eg. pay tuition, id card, etc.), they always respond very quickly. the longest one took only 2 days.</p>

<p>i have a facebook account (online social networking) and i met (online) many students who are going to scad with me. i saw many of their works. some are pretty disappointing to me (i thought: oh crap. i guess they're not gonna be competitive), but there are also many who are really good. i know they're not scad educated yet, but for now, the incoming freshmen are very much mixed in terms of ability and talent.</p>

<p>i also saw some works by some scad sophomores and seniors and i think they're impressive.</p>

<p>moominmama: i hope this helps =]</p>