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<p>It’s really quite simple Sparkeye why Michigan will NEVER make that listing. Michigan isn’t an “up and coming” university and never will be at USNWR. This is such an obvious fact since it has been near the top in academia for over a hundred years. When the truly great universities on this planet are mentioned, Michigan is often a part of the discussion along with other publics like Berkeley and UCLA. As a matter of fact I can only name perhaps a “handful” of publics in this country that truly have a global reputation and tOSU is not one of them. Perhaps when your alma mater demonstrates over a hundred years of innovation and excellence, Ohio State can join that top tier too.</p>

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<p>At least at Michigan, the president of the university isn’t worried about getting fired by the football coach.</p>

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<p>I don’t see why not for Michigan to make the “up-and-coming” at the undergrad level to be on par with Dartmouth, Brown or even Northwestern. Why not dropping $1 billion to hire 500 best and brightest faculties and lower its student:faculty ratio or classroom sizes? Since Michigan is so coveted?, why not attract 100,000 applicants from around the world, and beef-up its admission standard? There are many many many ways to make the list, but Michigan is not doing them due to variety of reasons.</p>

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<p>And I am suprised that you actually bought Gee’s sarcasm. :stuck_out_tongue: The “fact” remains that Gee did indeed fire coach Tressel. And no, at Michigan, the President was fully supported of coach Rod. :smiley: Wait! Aren’t you (annasdad) the one who claimed Penn State ran a clean program before ‘the scandal’ broke out? :p</p>

<p><a href=“http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1190852-penn-state-vs-ohio-state.html[/url]”>http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-search-selection/1190852-penn-state-vs-ohio-state.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>Sarcasm masking fear?</p>

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<p>Nope! Tressel was hired by the Athletic Director, whereas Gee was hired by the Board of Trustees.</p>

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<p>Did anyone mention Gettysburg College yet? I would put that in the category of “schools on the rise” (if it hasn’t already “risen”).</p>

<p>Sorry to interrupt the football talk…</p>

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<p>Among LAC’s-Davidson, Holy Cross, Richmond. Among universities-USC, Northeastern, Wake Forest.</p>

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<p>Gettysburg is an example of the fact that a school can be relatively undistinguished in terms of prestige, yet provide excellent educations to those who choose to do what is necessary to obtain them. In the 1950s, Gettysburg would have been on nobody’s radar screen as a “top school,” had people then been as deluded as some are now by prestige factors. The school was chronically underfunded and defined as its major missions producing public school teachers and candidates for the Lutheran ministry. The faculty went for years with no pay raises, because there was no money to pay them. The one major fund-raising effort in these years was to raise money to build a new chapel.</p>

<p>Yet the class of 1957 produced a future Nobel Prize winner (J. Michael Bishop, Physiology or Medicine, 1989) and a national political figure (Ron Paul). If you read Bishop’s autobiography, you get the sense that it was a very special place to those who went there, because of the quality of interaction with the faculty and the challenging courses that were offered.</p>

<p>Gettysburg has, of course, come a long way, and it is nothing like it was in the 50s. It has a lot more money, a lot bigger campus, more students, and greater prestige. But does it deliver a better education? I very much doubt it.</p>

<p>EDIT: Just found a brief excerpt from Bishop’s autobiography online. It gives the sense of what his longer, book-length autobiography goes into in more detail:</p>

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<p><a href=“http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1989/bishop-autobio.html[/url]”>http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/medicine/laureates/1989/bishop-autobio.html&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

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<p>OSU loses one of its top docs to Boston</p>

<p>[OSU</a> loses one of its top docs to Boston | The Columbus Dispatch](<a href=“http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/05/29/osu-loses-one-of-its-top-docs-to-boston.html]OSU”>http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2012/05/29/osu-loses-one-of-its-top-docs-to-boston.html)</p>

<p>5 Cardiologists at OSU’s Wexner Medical Center Received $1M Bonuses Last Year</p>

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<p>*The competition is fierce!! LOL</p>

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<p>Go Bucks!! :)</p>

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<p>Why Wake Forest? They haven’t had any campus growth or any other significant shake-ups in quite some time.</p>

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<p>That list of NAS inductees is wrong. Berkeley had 4 in 2012.</p>

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<p>^^ My bad!! lol Copied & Pasted from the Princeton board … :)</p>

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<p>Ohio State South Campus Dormitory Renovation </p>

<p>[Ohio</a> State University South High Rises – Sasaki Associates, Inc](<a href=“http://www.sasaki.com/project/232/]Ohio”>Ohio State University Park-Stradley Hall and Smith-Steeb Hall – Sasaki)</p>

<p>Columbus 2020</p>

<p><a href=“http://columbusregion.com/files/pdf/businessplan0708.pdf[/url]”>http://columbusregion.com/files/pdf/businessplan0708.pdf&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p&gt;

<p>[The</a> Economic Report - Columbus Region - CNN - YouTube](<a href=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MjWckBk6dg]The”>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MjWckBk6dg)</p>

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<p>Thanks, phantasmagoric!! Now we know which group of institutions does tOSU belong!! :p</p>

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<p>I was referring to the “big boys” like Battelle (over $5 billion budget)!! lol
“Tech Columbus” alone has membership of more than 700 companies in Central Columbus region.</p>

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<p>Sparkeye, bless you. I love your school spirit, seriously. I have a new respect for OSU. They are very ambitious and dedicated - like USC. </p>

<p>I think it is wonderful that the city of Columbus is on board with matching ambitions. City-University partnership is truly important to a great university. The most notable example is Palo Alto-Stanford. </p>

<p>USC and LA have a great bond with a ton of history, but LA is very lucky by having 3 amazing universities (USC-UCLA-Caltech) in its city. As a result the bond is not as strong as if there was only one great university. </p>

<p>However, I would argue that out of the three, USC has the strongest bond - but I’m biased.</p>

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<p>You’d think Appalachian and Boone would have a great partnership, but there really isn’t one except for partnerships with the library and schools. Economically they’re codependent sure, but a lot of people in city government dislike the University, and vice-versa. The Chronicle of Higher Education even commented on it, calling it a ‘power struggle.’ </p>

<p>But then there’s the article (I don’t know how I came across it) that mentioned that there are Lynchburg city council members and officials who hate Liberty and think the whole town would be better off if it was never there. Wouldn’t want to go to a college where they think THAT.</p>

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Sadly, this could be true if the administration continues on the same path. The student body, despite being majority conservative in other regards, is very progressive on gay rights. The university, however, continues to refuse to allow an official Gay-Straight Alliance or put “sexual orientation” in the nondiscrimination policy, despite overwhelming student and faculty support.</p>

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<p>I guess the case of OSU and Michigan can never be settled by biased parties. Anyone wants to talk about colleges on the decline? I am curious.</p>

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<p>Nothing good ever comes from defying students on important issues like that. And this is very interesting, because recently Notre Dame has been accused of ‘secularization’ for actions they’ve done like inviting Obama to speak. Why are they so iron-willed about this particular issue? </p>

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I’m pretty sure the only way our non-discrimination policy could be more inclusive is if they added in ‘species or planet of origin.’</p>

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Peace College here in NC has sunk to the point where they had to become co-ed just to stay open, which angered alumnae greatly. The worst part for them however is that enrollment isn’t going to increase much at all.</p>

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Tell me about it. There are buttons and stickers and petitions all over campus, and a resolution of support easily passed the Student Senate and Faculty Body. Even very Catholic and diehard conservative Republican friends of mine believe in gay rights. The university says the club isn’t allowed because it “goes against the Catholic mission of the university,” yet there are thriving Jewish, Muslim, and Protestant student associations, as well as College Republicans, Democrats, and Libertarians. All of those go against Catholicism in some way or another.</p>

<p>It’s definitely a generational thing, even within the religion, so I feel like there will be negative consequences for ten years, then it’ll change. Especially since I’m pretty sure of who the next university president will be.</p>

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It was a false accusation by strongly anti-Obama conservatives. Every US President, without exception, is invited in their first year. It’s university policy. George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Jimmy Carter all spoke at commencements in their time. Plus, the university is now suing the government over the health care birth control mandate. It’s pretty religious…</p>

<p>However, I do think they might have been willing to consider the very moderate action of changing the non-discrimination policy if it wasn’t for the fact that they’re trying to keep old, conservative donors happy. These are the same people who hate Obama because he’s black (err-- not a “real” American), and a bunch threatened to stop donating after that “scandal.”</p>

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If a gay student is beaten up or something, I sincerely hope they nail the university with a lawsuit for basically saying it’s okay to discriminate against students of different sexual orientation. Maybe that’s what it needs to change.</p>