Sea Year Thoughts

<p>Our son has received a nomination to the USMMA. We know a great deal about USMA (oldest son was a cadet) and USAFA (nephew was a cadet) we know very little about the Merchant Marine Academy, other than what is on the website.</p>

<p>I'm curious about the Sea Year and would appreciate some input from those who are in the know. What is it like for them being at sea for that long of a period? How can you contact them should an emergency arise?
What type of individuals do they work with, or how safe is it for two classmates aboard the various vessels? </p>

<p>Having worked around some longshoremen, it's got me concerned as a parent.</p>

<p>Thanks!</p>

<p>In short:</p>

<p>The absolute best experience a young man/woman can have between the ages of 18-21 which will make them well prepared for whatever career they choose whether it's a maritime career or not.</p>

<p>Besides seeing the world, which obviously sounds great, what is the experience like?</p>

<p>Majmattmason, being a parent & having a kid who has just come back from sea, I can give you perspective from this side. Its pretty amazing what the kids do & where they travel. The first time they go out, they are out to sea for about 4 months. The Academy works with the kids and often times they get to choose what they would like to sail on pertaining to their major. This could be Military Sealift ships, container ships, (& I hope others pipe in here about the different ships they are familiar with). The ships do have communications. My son, on a container, was in contact via email every other day. They use calling cards to call home from ports. Those are some crazy calls at 4am your time.… They can be reached in the case of an emergency via the academy & the shipping companies. The kids work on the vessels while also working on a project that must be turned back in when they report back to the Academy. In a “deckie’s” case, they work on navigation, weather reports, charts, plotting courses, standing watch, cargo loading & unloading, ect. They are supervised by the captain & crew. Its hands on and the days are long. I don’t recall my son saying that he’d had much contact with longshoremen. He might have, he just didn’t comment on it. His journey began in Honolulu & sailed to Guam, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Tacoma WA, Oakland CA. Making the route three times, he became familiar with the ports they stopped at & the shipping industry itself. He was able to experience pretty much the full realm of things out there. Some ships go into dangerous ports & the kids are not allowed to get off the ship. When they return, they will take a semester of more classes and go back out for about 8 months, where they might be on a couple of different types of ships & do an internship on land. Hope that explains a little of it. No way to go into the whole thing or there would be three pages of text to wade through. The “sea stories” we’ve been listening to for the last few days of the boy’s visit home are pretty cool. Some kinda curled my hair….. But he met a lot of interesting people & experienced more than some people do in a lifetime. In talking to a few of the other kids, they seem to be extremely street smart about things. The KP thing: “The world is our campus”? Pretty much nailed that one. Many choose to continue to sail after graduation. Some don’t. Some sail for a while then move on to others things. A good case in point is our friendly doctor, KP2001. Congrats on your son’s nomination.</p>

<p>Thanks, I appreciate the information. I would like to hear from others with similar comments, thoughts or suggestions. I'm well acquainted with worrying about one's son as our second oldest just came back from a year in Iraq, seeing some all-too-real combat, and growing up very quickly. So when number three son wants to head down a similar path as his older two brothers, it only compounds a parent's concern. The Sea Year sounds both intriguing and spooky at the same time. I appreciate your help.</p>

<p>My s graduated from USMMA this past June. He said that going there is the best decision he ever made. He is currently sailing as a third mate on a cable-laying ship, works 75 days on and 75 days off. The compensation is phenomenal for a 22 yr old.</p>

<p>He had a lot of great and not so great experiences during his sea years, but there was a vast difference in his maturity level as compared to kids in regular schools (that goes for all of KP mids!). He traveled almost all the way around the world during his 2 sea years and was in places I will never see, went through both canals, and served on a variety of ship types (5 ships total). Jamzmom described the communications well, also most ships have satellite phones for emergencies (cost way too much for the crew to use). Most ships can also be tracked via the internet on a daily basis.</p>

<p>My s originally wanted to go into Navy flight via the Naval Academy. He applied to KP as a back-up and went there, still wanting to fly. Even did an internship with a navy flight squadron, but after his school & sea experiences decided to sail for a while. We too were worried about the sea year, but the school knows what it's doing. There is nothing else that can compare to it. As parents, we're just sorry we didn't know about it when we were his age (although as a woman I wouldn't have been able to attend then).</p>

<p>Hope this helps a bit, it's better when you can get some advice from those who have actually been there!</p>

<p>I fear what the kids might say. They'd probably rather talk about some of the truly bizzare things. Perhaps about the lady who met them at the docks to entertain the crew by chugging a gallon of water then proceeded to eat the ten snakes that were in her burlap bag. Wahoo! Some of it sounded like a PT Barnham three ring circus act. Oooooooo. Yeah. I'd say some of it pretty "spooky". :D</p>

<p>I WOULD like to hear about any close calls or unpleasant experiences also. I'm sure most would paint a rosy picture, a la "The Love Boat", but what happens when a person decides enough is enough, and they want to leave the Academy while halfway around the world? Has that sort of thing ever happened? Does anyone here know of any bad experiences their child had? Or put another way, USMA has Keller Hospital on post for when cadets are injured or need medical treatment. What happens when a midshipman breaks a leg or is hurt in an accident onboard and underway? How is that handled?</p>

<p>There was a "report" of a m/n who a "few" years back decided enough was enough and walked off the ship in hawaii and was never heard of since then (well the academy never heard more from him, but his family did). I think that one is urban legend though. If you make it through plebe year there is no way one would quit while at sea. One would most likely wait until just before going back. But if someone did want to quit I'm sure they could just fly home from wherever they were.</p>

<p>There have been one if not more cadet deaths aboard ship. It's a dangerous world and if you don't pay attention you can get hurt. The one I know of was a kid that ended up falling into a cargo hold about 100 feet down. Sad to say the least. </p>

<p>If they are injured they would be immediately treated by the ship's medical officer (one of the Mates, not a ton of medical experience) If it were far from shore they would probably require assistance from the nearest naval vessel if it were that serious. If closer to shore they could be airlifted off the ship via helicopter. There is always a true physician on call via sat phone for any needs. The ships have a pretty well stocked 'hospital' aboard. </p>

<p>True 'emergencies' on merchant vessels are fairly rare from my experience.</p>

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<p>Unless of course you are lucky enough to be on a ship with an EMT from KP. KP has a whole squad of Mids who are licensed EMTs. Its one of the ECs you can do there. Great life skill.</p>

<p>The Jamz said the 2nd mate on his ship was an RN. Onboard was a medical room that was well stocked with medical supplies. One of the classes at KP is ship's medicine. The kids do learn about safety & some basic first aid/cpr stuff the first or second tri.</p>

<p>majmattmason: Several thoughts about your concerns:
1) Prospective parents have asked me this question before. I've always said that I worried more about my son when he was riding in someone's car than I did when he was at sea. KP2001 referred to a midshipman who was killed in a fall at sea. That was a freak accident which occurred a decade ago. Three midshipmen have been killed in auto accidents in the last four years.
2) All the armed services love to recruit Kings Pointers. I believe the reason is this: Kings Pointers learn a style of leadership that is distinctly different from that at the DOD academies. To wit: when an officer on a merchant ship gives an order to a non-licensed seaman, he is dealing with someone who may be a middle aged man with many years of seagoing experience and is a member of a powerful labor union. There is no room for the "military martinett" type. I believe that this produces a style of leadership that works in both the civilian world as well as the military. My impression of the DOD academies suggests that upperclassmen shout orders at underclassmen and expect instant compliance. I suspect that most officers outgrow that style after graduation, but the KP'ers don't have to.
3) My son (class of '02) was one of the ones who went to KP to go navy flight. When he went on his sea year assignments I urged him to consider sailing as a career. He kept an open mind, but in the end decided that sailing was not for him. He went navy and is now a Naval Flight Officer. He's already done a tour in Operation Iraqi Freedom and has three air medals to show for it. Last week he volunteered to go TAD to another squadron on deployment in OIF.<br>
The sea is a dangerous place, no doubt, but not the most dangerous place. That would be the Cross Bronx Expressway.
Your son could do much worse than choosing to go to KP. He can follow his brothers into the army, join another service, or find lucrative employment in the civilian world.<br>
Compared to having a son in Iraq, having a son on sea year is no contest</p>

<p>So I thought I'd come back and post my experiences for you now that I have a few minutes:</p>

<p>Sea year can be very different for two different m/n based on which ship and which crew is aboard. I had very good experiences all around, so I may be slightly biased, but here goes.</p>

<p>Sea year starts by selecting a sea partner (pick someone you like, needs to be same sea split i.e. same sport season if athlete) and by submitting your dream sheet for ships/routes to the ATR (Academy Training Rep who is at the Academy.) Choices of ships are varied as mentioned above, but for engineers it comes down to diesel vs. steam powered (need both throughout time at sea) and for deckies it doesn't really matter (I recommend sailing on a oil tanker as a 2/c so one can get their tankerman PIC endorsement on the license) but it ranges from Container (back end of 18 wheeler, 4000 or more on a ship), to Ro/Ro (Roll On / Roll Off, car carriers), to oil tankers, break bulk ships (the ones you see in old movies with general cargo aboard), and MSC (military sealift command, the navy's personal merchant service). I'm sure there are some I'm missing, but I think I caught the big ones.</p>

<p>When sea year starts you'll fly from New York to meet your ship wherever it is, may be overseas, may be in New Jersey (school pays for travel). Day to day life can vary widely based on crew and ship. My first year experience was as follows (I'm a deckie). Flew to california, joined APL President Truman, a container ship. Daily worked four hours with chief mate doing various odds and ends, but never touching certain things due to labor agreements with the union. I then stood four hours of watch with whichever mate I chose. I then had the rest of the time to work on my sea project or enjoy a nightly movie and beers with the officers who were off duty (yes, had beer on the ship, it was awesome). Coming into/out of port I was with the chief mate on the bridge. Once in port I was free to do whatever I wanted as long as I made sure I was back on the ship before it left. That ship went from california, alaska, japan, taiwan, hong kong, mainland china, and back. Overall spent a little over 100 days before going to back to KP. </p>

<p>2nd class sailing started with MSC on one of their Kaiser class tankers in hawaii. Sailed with two of my soccer team mates. This was the biggest racket ever. Somehow got out of all work except four hours of bridge watch daily. Schedule was 3-4 days at sea refueling Navy ships and return to Pearl Harbor for the weekend. Day after joined ship went to Maui for four days of R&R that the crew had earned somehow. Also spent a month in San Diego on this ship while in "wet dock." Basically got all the requirements met for Tankerman PIC, worked on my sea project, and enjoyed Hawaii. After 3-4 months there flew to Houston to meet my second ship which was an old break bulk ship that was headed to West Africa. I was the only cadet on this ship for this trip. Actually had to work on this ship, even in port. Put in 8-12 hour days most days, but got alot of time off in port to go visit places that don't have electricity and have M-16's for stop lights. An adventure to say the least, and probably shouldn't have gone out by myself in the one place I did now that I look back on it. </p>

<p>On a daily basis the deck cadet usually works for the chief mate. On some ships I have heard of them being assigned deck work (chipping/painting, etc) but this is usually verboten as it takes away work from the unlicensed crew who have very strong labor agreements. On the bridge the cadet may be allowed to plot the position, take the helm for a bit, and may be allowed to 'take the con' for a four hour shift when in the middle of the ocean.</p>

<p>As to longshoremen there isn't much interaction with them, they are part of the pier as you know and the ship's crew doesn't really interact with them much.</p>

<p>Now the seedy side: As one would imagine the maritime industry is full of 'dirty old men.' This is not to say they aren't nice or there aren't 'normal' people out there, but a life at sea can be salty to say the least. These people are usually also very good at what they do and are some of the best teachers in the world, but they may not teach the best manners. Ships are usually almost always male, in my four years (including two as a mate) I sailed with a total of 3 or 4 women. Some meal conversations I listened to were about how fat their ex wife was, which port has the best hookers, and where to find the cheapest beer. I was also offered to partake in many of those activities, but they didn't force me to do anything I didn't want to (although they did get a good laugh at my expense for not taking them up on some of their offers). </p>

<p>The crew generally look out for the cadets, they will usually pay for meals/drinks whatever while in port b/c they realize the cadets make peanuts. They also will generally warn them where not to go or who to avoid (Fong in Kaoshung Taiwan is the worst driver in history by the way). </p>

<p>Overall I would agree with NFODad in that it is in general a safe environment. There is alot of maturity to be gained with going to sea and being away for a while. I'm sure my parents might not have liked some of the language that became common after returning to sea, but I'm sure I returned a better person. </p>

<p>Hopefully this helps you some, I see that it became a novela, so hopefully it isn't too long. Best of luck on your decisions and there are some very helpful people around to ask questions of as needed.</p>

<p>FONG!!!!! Guess what KP2001! He's still there! LOL Still driving on sidewalks and getting past security like the ghost he is. The tales about Fong were some of the best sea stories I heard.</p>

<p>Fong is an interesting character to say the least, but a cadets best friend as long as he doesn't kill you getting you to/from the ship</p>

<p>I know this is an old thread...but I would just like to update everyone, that I was lucky enough to take ride with Fong during my sea year, but last month, Fong passed away of a stroke. ...... RIP Fong, your crazy driving will forever live on at KP.</p>

<p>Oh wow. Sad news indeed. Flynavy, very glad you had the opportunity to meet him. He'll live on as KP legend. This will make Jamz truly sad as he has some of his best first sea year memories of that crazy cab driver. Glad you passed that on Flynavy. Perhaps his brother will take over his "charitable" work. (small grin)</p>

<p>Fong was an institution in Taiwan and it is sad to hear of his passing. He was an interesting individual who probably made a living off of KP cadets. I never once heard of a cadet getting into trouble because of him. No injuries from his outstanding driving abilities and nobody I know of ever missed a ship while under his care. If only every port had a Fong :)</p>

<p>don't try an canonize the Fongster.. and get all "teary eyed" at his passing. He was a slimball, pure and simple. I wouldn't have trusted him any further than I can throw my ships bower anchor. FYI - He was banned from coming aboard more than one ship in the APL fleet for doing stuff I won't get into here.. Probably "bad Joss" on me if I did did go into it..</p>

<p>I would trust him to get me back to the ship, but I wouldn't have trusted him with my money. I hadn't had any interaction with him in over 7 years so things may have gotten worse though.</p>