Seattle University

<p>I’m considering applying to Seattle University, but I still have some questions about it. I know that art isn’t really what it’s known for, but I would be able to earn a BFA degree in photography from SU with an emphasis in documentary photography and a possible double major in communications. I would also be able to take classes for SU credit at the Northwest Photographic Center, which is right across from campus. SU sponsors a study abroad trip specifically for photography to Italy for 6 weeks I believe and it appears that they hold a travel photo competition for their students. To me, this program sounds pretty good, and honestly I love photography enough that I'll probably be able to make the most out of any decent education in art. however, I can’t find any information about the university from an artistic perspective, being that their most popular/strongest programs I think are in business, law, and maybe sciences? Can anyone tell me specifically about the art department and whether its any good? Any information would be helpful, even if it was from a perspective of someone pursuing a different program of study or has only taken a class or two in the dept.</p>

<p>Secondly, I don’t really know what to make of the 60% to 40% female: male ratio. It seems somewhat balanced enough, but I’ve heard some negative things about the lack of guys on campus…can anyone put this into perspective for me and tell me whether this is a legitimate cause for concern or not?</p>

<p>Lastly, I was wondering what the student body is like at Seattle University. And definitely feel free to include any other information I should know about the school and things I should look for or do when I visit to get a good feel for the Seattle University campus.</p>

<p>Thanks! :)</p>

<p>I don't think that many people here are going to Seattle U, so I just did a search and found this: Seattle</a> University :: College of Arts and Sciences</p>

<p>I've been to Seattle U for a few weeks for a summer language program, but it wasn't taught by anyone from Seattle U. It was just at Seattle U. The only thing I really know about it is that it's a pretty small campus, and I don't like the fact that it's not very secluded from Seattle. It's in a neighborhood just a bit north of Chinatown. If you ever do visit Seattle U, you should go to Starbucks and walk down to Chinatown and go to Uwajimaya and go shopping. Seattle U is also pretty close to Capitol Hill and Broadway. It's about a 15 minute drive from my house!</p>

<p>SU attracts a large number of international and US Asian students due to its location in Seattle and near the Chinatown area of Seattle (AKA the International District. The area around it has really improved in the last ten years and now could be called a safe area with lots of young trendy types living in it. Great for walking to downtown and the First Hill Capitol Hill areas which are full of young peopel--both students and working--often both.</p>

<p>I think it's an improving school.</p>

<p>First, its a fabulous "gem" of a school. The Jesuit ethics and ethos is prevalent. Its faculty is warm and endearing. Its an urban campus on Capitol Hill....near several MAJOR and internationally recognized hospitals, and a short walk "down the hill" to the waterfront and central shopping district..even Pike Street Market. Though Seattle has FABULOUS bus service.</p>

<p>I cant speak to their photography program.</p>

<p>The campus has several new buildings including the Rhoady Lee Fine Arts Center. It has an aggressive capital campaign going on to further enhance the campus and its facilities. Its returning to Division I sports and has applied to NCAA to do so. </p>

<p>The campus has award winning Japanese gardens and an internationally recognized and award winning Chapel. Its a safe campus with VERY friendly people.</p>

<p>I wouldnt worry about the student body mix, as it is near so many other schools and Seattle is such a cosmopolitan school it really doesnt matter. You wont be alone, I can say that much.</p>

<p>Seattle University has many faculty and programs that are outstanding. Whether its engineering, business, foreign languages (particularly strong), english, political science, history....they are a suberb little school where you will graduate well prepared. </p>

<p>Being a smaller school, it offers something that UW cannot offer you: intimacy for a college experience.</p>

<p>I cant recommend it higher than I already have. I wish you much luck.</p>

<p>The large female population has its roots in the school's tradition as a training ground for nurses. The campus is essentially tiny, lodged between a mixed commerical area and a residential neighborhood. The alumni I've met were satisfied in the liberal arts education they received. In recent years the university has raised much money to enhance its standing, but SU still ranks behind other private colleges in the Pacific Northwest.</p>

<p>I meant to say 'nurses AND teachers.'</p>

<p>I think that is a gross misstatement, if you dont mind. To suggest that women attended Seattle University to become nurses and teachers may have been true (though I doubt it) 50 or 60 years ago, but not in the 40 years hence. Its a rather demeaning comment, in my view.</p>

<p>Its not small compared to a lot of urban campuses, though small by UW standards. </p>

<p>Nor is it behind other Pacific Northwest colleges. It is regularly at or near the top of Northwest private colleges and ranked number 7 currently of all West Coast schools (Masters-Regional) by USNWR. </p>

<p>UPS, PLU, Seattle Pacific, Seattle University, Gonzaga, Whitman, Whitworth, Willamette, UPortland, all compete for some of the same kids, but offer different experiences in different locales.</p>

<p>I am not about school bashing. The point I was making to the OP was that its a fine school with a long and storied history (NCAA Final Four in 1958, losing to Kentucky) and even through the troubled financial times of the mid-late 70's it still offered a fabulous educational experience that was life changing to thousands of students. </p>

<p>It has a superb MBA program, a wonderful and rapidly rising Law School, and has been a historic supplier to Boeing of outstanding engineers. </p>

<p>I applaud anyone who wishes to attend Seattle University and receive the benefits of that unique Jesuit education.</p>

<p>Cousin Gore:</p>

<ol>
<li><p>No one said SU was weak, but Whitman is clearly stronger. Lewis & Clark, Willamette and Reed also have more academic assets than SU.</p></li>
<li><p>I don't think the OP cares much about Elgin Baylor and SU's basketball loss to Kentucky 50 years ago. In fact, the problems in the basketball program in the 1980s (athletes not attending class, for example; coaches not interested in their players' academic success) motivated the school to de-emphasize athletics, as you may know. Frank Olyenick, anyone?</p></li>
<li><p>Please read my statements critically before you toss around comments such as 'demeaning.' I distinctly said the education of nurses and teachers had been a SU "tradition." In other words, historically and not necessarily the case today.</p></li>
</ol>

<p>Whitman is "clearly stronger?" Hmmm...not necessarily so. Their SAT scores may be higher, but I would argue that SU trumps them in many faculties. "More academic assets?" Say what? Be specific, because I would challenge that immensely. SU's academic assets include its extraordinary faculty and much larger library than ANY of the schools you suggest. I am not into bashing schools and I hesitate to even go out on this argument plank with you.....Whitman, Lewis and Clark, Willamette, Reed are all fine schools. Unique in what they offer. But SU is every bit as much a great school. And SU has something that the others dont have and never will have: Jesuit ethics and ethos.</p>

<p>As for SU's sad history with basketball, it is what it is (was). Its over and its buried. They have worked very hard to get up to Division II and now have applied for a return to Division I, likely to join the league with Gonzaga and Santa Clara. I applaud that move. We ALL know that Division I sports is a huge help for recruiting top students and improving the overall public image of a school.</p>

<p>But ask ANY major employer in Seattle or around the Northwest about SU graduates and they will tell you they are among the highest paid, most sought after because they come out prepared, able to think and write, and have a sense of community from their Jesuit ethos. </p>

<p>To me it deserves a much higher profile than it gets. I am a big supporter of many Northwestern schools, not just SU. I just think SU is special and deserves to be applauded. Like I said, even in the dark days of the 70's, it was still providing a SUPERIOR education for an incredible value. </p>

<p>I dont want SU (or any school for that matter) to become a school for the very rich or privileged or only for people with SAT scores above 2100. It serves the community and admits kids with above average profiles and makes them stars and wonderful human beings...teaching them not WHAT to think, but HOW to think. The same can be said for Gonzaga, Santa Clara, Saint Louis University, Loyolas (all of them), Xavier, BC, Holy Cross, Fordham, Canisius, John Carroll and all 28 of the Jesuit Colleges in the United States. Georgetown is out on a limb by itself....just kidding. </p>

<p>If you did not mean to be demeaning in your remark about historically producing nurses and teachers, then I accept your "explanation.' SU has a superb School of Nursing and a very good School of Education, that offers the Ed.D degree. But they are not the ONLY areas of study for females as SU, particularly the last 40 years. Many have been business, science, engineering, fine arts, language, history majors and gone onto careers in the private sector, government, professional schools etc. Some have become Bank Presidents. </p>

<p>This is the problem with ranking schools by SAT scores. It is a grave disservice to those institutions who are not in the glorious top 25. </p>

<p>If someone really wants to go to Whitman in Walla Walla, I applaud them and congratulate them. But some want a different experience, an inner city experience, in a world class city: Seattle. And SU is very deserving as the Jesuit School of Seattle, a real gem on Capitol Hill. </p>

<p>For what it is worth, one of SU's finest graduates reached the rank of 3 star general and was recently the Commander of the Fourth Infantry in Iraq. A HUGE task. </p>

<p>As you can see, I am VERY protective of Jesuit Schools. And part of that protection is due because they are so holistic and equitable in their admissions process....they are much more willing to take a chance on a kid and see what happens. How do I know this? Because I was one of those high risk kids who underperformed in High School, entered the military during the Vietnam Era, and came out....looking for a home. The Jesuits welcomed me with open arms and money....and turned my life around. I graduated with HIGH HONORS because I was so darned grateful for them taking me in on a spotty high school transcript....that I was determined NOT to blow the opportunity. I went onto graduate school and also outperformed MANY kids who came from a privileged background and from some hoity toity schools. </p>

<p>I use my Jesuit "training" every day of my life. I positively adore them. So when someone says they want to attend a Jesuit college, I do what I can to encourage them. </p>

<p>Just the same, if someone wants to go to Seattle Pacific, PLU, UPS, Reed, Whitman, Whitworth, Willamette, Lewis and Clark, Occidental, Pepperdine, Pitzer, Scripps, Harvey Mudd, Pomona...you name it...I applaud them and encourage them. </p>

<p>I come out of my chair and put up a vigorous defense, as you can see. </p>

<p>Peace.</p>

<p>Thanks to everyone who provided information and some different aspects of this school to think about, I really appreciate it because its hard to find information on here about schools that aren't extremely popular or prestigious.</p>

<p>can anyone clarify what these "Jesuit ethics" are, exactly and how religious SU is? I know some schools are more religiously inclined than others, but some aren't, although they are affliated with a certain faith. Although I am religious to a certain extent, I am not Catholic and I'm not sure if religion is something that I want emcompassing my studies.</p>

<p>Also, I'm glad to hear that SU has a good foreign languages program because I'm extremely interested in studying abroad and would like to be educated in the language of whichever country I visit, which would ideally be Italy. Does anyone know where there is a good range of accessible study abroad programs inside the school and if they allow you to arrange your own travel experience through a different program fairly easily?</p>

<p>I don't know whether SU has a good foreign languages program--it's just that the summer language thing took place at Seattle U--most of my teachers there teach at high schools.</p>

<p>I can reply to that inquiry directly. Seattle University has some SUPERB foreign language study programs that are more than 35 years old: French in Grenoble, German in Graz, Austria, and Spanish in Puebla, Mexico. They teach Italian at SU, but I dont know about a special program overseas they operate. Gonzaga in Spokane has an Italian Program in Florence, and Seattle U cooperates with them on that. The Foreign Language Department at Seattle University has special dorms where they speak the language all day long. Its professors are phenomenal and very warm and endearing. The benefit of their foreign language program is that its Seattle University in Grenoble etc...and you go over with your prof and they teach the same classes they would teach on campus, so your credits are placed DIRECTLY on your transcript. There is no transfer of credit problem. Some people go to Grenoble one year and then to Graz the next, for example. ( I also know that Saint Louis University operates its own Campus in Madrid as St. Louis University in Madrid. So that is another option for you. St. Louis U is another Jesuit school.)</p>

<p>Jesuit ethics and ethos is something you have to experience to fully understand. They are the intellectuals of Roman Catholic priests...so they like to think at least. LOL. The Benedictines and Dominicans might argue that point! But the Jesuits are famous for teaching Philosophy and Comparative Theology. Some are liberal and a few are conservative, but they all carry that unique viewpoint and instill service to others in all their teachings. They are FABULOUS TEACHERS. Very demanding and rigorous, but really worth the effort. </p>

<p>Jesuits by their nature are extremely tolerant. They are NOT dogmatic. They want you to explore ideas. Its teaching you HOW to think,not WHAT to think. </p>

<p>Religion at Seattle University, or any Jesuit College, is not an overbearing thing. For kids who are religious, its available. Most Jesuit colleges are about 60 percent Catholic. But 40% non Catholic. People are attracted there for many reasons. Seattle University is an urban but sophisticated school. Its cosmopolitan. You will take the required courses, but have selection within that faculty: you might study comparative religions and not necessarily Roman Catholic doctrine. You will definitely study Greek classics like Sophocles. But its also strong in sciences and engineering. You will graduate as a very well rounded student. </p>

<p>The faculty at Seattle University are best when they mentor students. They can become your lifelong friends. </p>

<p>If you wish to arrange a different program, I am certain they will work with you. But frankly their own programs are so strong and have been operating for so long so smoothly, and without all that trouble transfering credits etc, its the best path. But again, if you want Italian, then perhaps the Gonzaga Program in Florence is an option. </p>

<p>Many Seattle University graduates have gone on to graduate school or professional school. </p>

<p>Its simply a life changing experience. And I mean that.</p>

<p>Also, the School website indicates there are special short programs in a variety of locations that aren't directly language major programs of study like German and French or Spanish. </p>

<p>go to Seattle</a> University for more. But here is a synopsis:</p>

<p>Education Abroad Programs
(this list is subject to change)</p>

<p>Health and Human Services in BELIZE
Social Work/ Public Administration
Prof. Ruth White, <a href="mailto:ruthw@seattleu.edu">ruthw@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>CHINA in a Changing World
History/International Studies
Prof. Kan Liang, <a href="mailto:liang@seattleu.edu">liang@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>EUROPEAN Psychologists
Psychology/ Core Interdisciplinary
Prof. Kathleen La Voy, <a href="mailto:doc@seattleu.edu">doc@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Americans in PARIS
English/ Core Interdisciplinary
Prof. Edwin Weihe, <a href="mailto:eweihe@seattleu.edu">eweihe@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Public Administration in OAXACA
(MEXICO) Graduate
Prof. Russell Lidman, <a href="mailto:lidmanr@seattleu.edu">lidmanr@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>BERLIN: City of Modernism
Fine Arts/ German/ Modern Language
Prof. Cordula Brown, <a href="mailto:cordulab@seattleu.edu">cordulab@seattleu.edu</a>
Fr. Joseph Venker, <a href="mailto:Venker@seattleu.edu">Venker@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Writers Workshop in IRELAND
English/Creative Writing
Prof. Sean McDowell, <a href="mailto:mcdowell@seattleu.edu">mcdowell@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Photography in SIENA, ITALY
Fine Arts/ Photography
Prof. Claire Garoutte, <a href="mailto:garouttc@seattleu.edu">garouttc@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Homer & the Homeric World (GREECE)
History/ Core Interdisciplinary
Prof. David Madsen, <a href="mailto:dmadsen@seattleu.edu">dmadsen@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Environment & Work in NICARAGUA
History/ Core Interdisciplinary
Prof. Marc McLeod, <a href="mailto:mcleodm@seattleu.edu">mcleodm@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Mass Media in Modern INDIA
Communication/ Core Interdisciplinary
Prof. Sonora Jha, <a href="mailto:sonora@seattleu.edu">sonora@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Contemporary Indian Reservation (CANADA)
Anthropology/ Social Work
Prof. Ted Fortier, <a href="mailto:tedf@seattleu.edu">tedf@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Theology and Literature in Italy
English/ Theology/ Core Interdisciplinary
Fr. Jerry Cobb, <a href="mailto:jcobb@seattleu.edu">jcobb@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Renaissance Philosophy and Art in Italy
Philosophy/ Core Interdisciplinary
Prof. Michael Andrews, <a href="mailto:mandrews@seattleu.edu">mandrews@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Belize International Internship Program
Apply for placement in your major or field.
Prof. Gary Chamberlain, <a href="mailto:gchamber@seattleu.edu">gchamber@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Internships in Dublin
Apply for placement in your major or field.
Visit the Dublin Internship Website, click here
Prof. Audrey Hudgins, <a href="mailto:hudginsa@seattleu.edu">hudginsa@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Biology in Costa Rica
Core Lab Science
Prof. Brenda Bourns, <a href="mailto:bournsb@seattleu.edu">bournsb@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>New Orleans: The Legacy of Katrina
Sociology/ Social Work
Prof. Madeline Lovell, <a href="mailto:mlovell@seattleu.edu">mlovell@seattleu.edu</a>
Prof. Gary Perry, Perry, Gary </p>

<p>US-Mexican Border: Contemporary Perspectives
Modern Languages
Prof. Paul Milan, <a href="mailto:pmilan@seattleu.edu">pmilan@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>Democratic Justice and Social Equity in South Africa
Political Science
Prof. Connie Anthony, <a href="mailto:canthony@seattleu.edu">canthony@seattleu.edu</a></p>

<p>If you have questions about the International Days Fair, contact the Arts and Sciences Dean’s Office: 206-296-5300</p>

<p>To clarify: the above programs are course specific and theme specific and are shorter in duration. The French in France and German in Austria and Spanish in Puebla Mexico programs are language programs that are longer in duration (one term or more) and are designed for language majors.</p>

<p>As a local, I agree that SU flies a bit under the radar. The UW has a huge footprint and sucks up most of the air. That said, SU is a rising gem with a strong reputation for excellence.</p>

<p>I applaud you for looking at schools that aren’t regularly mentioned on CC. My advice is to look for a school where you can succeed, and then go there and… succeed. It’s a simple formula to having a great educational experience.</p>

<p>Also, last fall I took an Intro to Digital Photography class from the PCNW and was very impressed with the class, the teachers and the work produced by the program’s students. </p>

<p>Good luck!</p>

<p>robileez- I didn't even think to ask about the classes at PCNW. that's going to play an important part of the photo program at SU for me and was one of the things that drew me to the program - thanks for mentioning it.</p>

<p>alGorescousin - thanks for your extensive information on seattle university. it's really helped me out, especially since I didn't really know a thing about jesuit schools when I first started looking into seattle university. i'm starting to get a clearer picture of that now. Being that SU is relatively close to me, I'll definitely visit this summer and hopefully it'll be a good fit!</p>

<p>Its a very special place and I wish you the very best of luck. Its not just the interesting buildings and japanese gardens, its the people that make it so. And of course, Seattle is a world class city.</p>

<p>There are 28 Jesuit Colleges in the United States. There is a website for all of them in that association <a href="http://www.ajcunet.edu%5B/url%5D"&gt;www.ajcunet.edu&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/p>

<p>Among them are Creighton, Gonzaga, Santa Clara, SeattleU, USF, Loyolas (N.O., LA, Chicago, Md.), Fordham, Holy Cross, Georgetown, Canisius, Saint Louis U, Boston College, John Carroll U, St. Joe's, Detroit-Mercy, UScranton, Marquette, Wheeling Jesuit, etc.</p>