Seeking Harvard students that would be labeled AVERAGE by PERFECT Harvard Applicant

<p>This was a story I found from the book "Get Into Any College Secrets of Harvard Students" By Gen S. Tanabe and Kelly Y. Tanabe.</p>

<p>"Story From Real Life: You Can Be Normal & Still Get Into Harvard"</p>

<p>"Eugene's experience demonstrates that you don't have to be an academic or athletic superstar to get into a great school. Both your accomplishments and your approach to admissions are important. Success requires effort and a thoughtful approach."
-Gen and Kelly </p>

<p>"I am living proof that you don't have to be a superstar to get into Harvard. Although I went to a competitive high school, I was far from being an outstnding student. Unlike my friends who had perfect 4.0s, my report card was littered with "B's." I did get "A's," but still my transcript was nothing to get excited about. I got average SAT scores. They weren't terrible, but they weren't great either. I was a member of a few groups although my highest position was secretary for my school's public service club. I have to admit that when I filled out my college application even I was shocked at how "average" I was on paper."</p>

<p>"My only chance I felt was to work really hard on the essay and hopefully get good teacher evaluations. I don't know what my teacher's wrote, but it must not have been that bad. I was the kind of student who always tried hard. I also spent a lot of time on my essay and must have written and rewritten it a dozen or more times. But still nobody ever imagined that I would get into Harvard."</p>

<p>"Was everyone shocked when April came. Even I was stunned when I opened the acceptance letter. In fact, soon after I arrived at Harvard my roommates and I had a late discussion about how we got in. We began comparing SATs, grades, and anything else to see why we were chosen. When I told them what I had gotten, they couldn't help but tease, "How in the world did you get in?""</p>

<p>"It was pretty obviois that it was not my grades, scores, or activities that got me in. I think I owe it mostly to my essay and evaluations. My point is not that admissions is arbitrary (I think the opposite is true), but I hope all of you who are thinking about applying to Harvard will not be discouraged just because other have better grades, higer scores, or are more active in clubs or sports. As I found out, it's not a prerequiste for you to be school president, valedictorian, and football team captain all at the same time to get into Harvard."</p>

<p>"Harvard does take normal people too. At first I was embarrassed at how low my scores were in comparison to my roommates. But now I freely admit my "averageness." And Harvard must know a little about success since I have consistently gotten better grades than my roommates who, based on their high school records, are far more outstanding than I." </p>

<h2>-Eugene, who is at Harvard and is still normal</h2>

<p>The reason why I put up this thread is because I am seeking to find people who like Eugen would be considered by many people as average, but they still geot accepted to Harvard. I would apreciate deeply if those people would be willing to give the following stats about themselves, since college confidential mostly has students with perfect or near perfect students applying to the ivy league colleges. I am sure many College Confidential members would benefit from this thread.</p>

<p>SAT I:
[ *] SAT IIs:
[ *] GPA:
[ *] Rank:
[ *] Other stats:
[ /list][ b]Subjective:[ /b][ list]
[ *] Essays:
[ *] Teacher Recs:
[ *] Counselor Rec:
[ *] Hook (if any):
[ /list][ b]Location/Person:[ /b][ list]
[ *] State or Country:
[ *] School Type:
[ *] Ethnicity:
[ *] Gender:
[ *] Extracurricular Activities:
[ *] Leadership Positions:
[ *] Volunteer Activities:
[ *] Total # of hours volunteering:
[ *] Teams:
[ *] Number of years or season played in the teams:
[ *] Perceived Strengths/Weaknesses:
[ *] Why you think you were accepted:
[ /list][ b]Other Factors:[ /b]
[ b]General Comments
[ *] Advice</p>

<p>hmmmm, i guess i can be viewed as average...</p>

<p>Test Scores
[ul][<em>]SAT I: 2020
[</em>]SAT IIs: 740 (US History), 710 (Lit), 690 (Math 2)
[<em>]ACT: 34
[</em>]GPA: 3.77 uw
[<em>]Rank: 34/572
[</em>] Other stats: National Achievement Finalist
[/ul]Subjective:[ul]
[<em>] Essays: pretty good, i guess
[</em>] Teacher Recs: excellent, at least i thought so
[<em>] Counselor Rec: i got 2 since i moved right before high school. one from old counselor the other from new counselor. both said a lot about me as a person
[</em>] Hook (if any): black female math major?
[/ul]Location/Person:[ul]
[<em>] State or Country: Illinois
[</em>] School Type: Public
[<em>] Ethnicity: Black
[</em>] Gender: Female
[<em>] Extracurricular Activities: a lot of band related stuff. not really too many leadership positions, though
[</em>] Leadership Positions: head of publicity for a few clubs (nothing too spectacular)
[<em>] Volunteer Activities: animal shelter, tutoring
[</em>] Total # of hours volunteering: about 100
[<em>] Teams: academic team?
[</em>] Number of years or season played in the teams: one year on academic team
[<em>] Perceived Strengths/Weaknesses: GPA and test scores as weaknesses
[</em>] Why you think you were accepted: i have no frickin' idea. i was so shocked that i reread the email to myself about 100 times
[/ul]Other Factors:
General Comments
[ul][*] Advice: i was deferred and then accepted, so don't be discouraged if you get deferred. and don't let anyone (especially on these boards) convince you that you are to unqualified to apply. ivy league admissions is sorta a crapshoot so go for it.[/ul]</p>

<p>Did you retype your post from the book? Must have taken an hour to do that...</p>

<p>hahaha, you're right pearfire. i hope she didn't retype it from the book...</p>

<p>naj7488 how the hell is that average.</p>

<p>You're a math major too, that's pretty sweet :D</p>

<p>TEST SCORES
SAT I: 2000 [600 V; 800 M; 600 W]
SAT IIs: 770 [Chemistry], 800 [Math iic], 740 [Spanish]
GPA: 4.389 W [at time of app]
Rank: 3/197 [though not formally reported]
Other stats: National Hispanic Scholar</p>

<p>SUBJECTIVE
Essays: A connection between Bizet's Carmen and how I started practicing meditation
Teacher Recs: Generally good, though one considerably stronger than the other
Counselor Rec: Never saw it
Hook (if any): Hispanic, self-studied chemistry, dominoes as my top EC</p>

<p>LOCATION/PERSON
State or Country: NJ
School Type: Public
Ethnicity: Hispanic [Colombian/Cuban]
Gender: Male</p>

<p>Extracurricular Activities: Playing dominoes, Academic Decathlon, Student Council, Peer Leadership, FBLA, Math League, Free the Children, NAHS, NHS, SHS, Spanish Club, Tennis, Environmental Club, Chess Club, Folio [Literary Magazine], Panther Press, Interact, Principal's Forum</p>

<p>Leadership Positions: President of Math League, SHS, Spanish Club; Co-captain of Academic Decathlon; Treasurer of Student Council, Senior Class Student Council, Free the Children, FBLA, NHS, Environmental Club Interact; Editor of Folio</p>

<p>Volunteer Activities: Tutoring; fund-raisers, church related service</p>

<p>Total # of hours volunteering: never kept track though at least 200</p>

<p>Teams: Tennis</p>

<p>Number of years or season played in the teams: 1</p>

<p>Awards/Honors: Ventures Scholar, Edward J. Bloustein Scholar, American Legion NJ Boys State Delegate, Presidential Education Award</p>

<p>Employment: worked as an ice cream scooper 15-20 hrs/wk during senior year</p>

<p>Perceived Strengths/Weaknesses: Math strength, appreciation for my culture, ability to balance many responsibilities: work, 5 AP's, multiple EC's, SAT CR and W weakness</p>

<p>Why you think you were accepted: No idea why.</p>

<p>OHTER FACTORS
Advice: Be yourself.</p>

<p>excel, i don't think that naj7488 thinks she is average in terms of every high school student. merely in terms of the kids on CC with their 2340's and 8000 hours of community service, and 4.0 uw gpas</p>

<p>pearfire and hotpiece101, as a matter of fact I did type of the essay. Also I am a male and would like to be referred to using the male pronoun "he." One more thing, so far from the stats I have seen so far I have not found a person that would be considered averag. My quest for the average person who got accepted to Harvard is still on.</p>

<p>sorry about the presumption that you are female...</p>

<p>SAT I: 2100
[ *] SAT IIs: 780 writing, 740 lit, 720 US Hist
[ *] GPA: 3.73 first semester college, 3.4 high school
[ *] Rank: neither college nor hs ranks
[ *] Other stats: 5 AP Hist and Lit
[ /list][ b]Subjective:[ /b][ list]
[ *] Essays: really, really good and unique, showed my passion for Harvard and government
[ *] Teacher Recs: They knew me really well and told Harvard they would be "making a mistake" to not let me in
[ *] Counselor Rec: Since my high school guidance counselor was responsible for literally eight people, he got to know me pretty well and was rooting for me throughout the process, he may have called?
[ *] Hook (if any): Absolutely none/
[ /list][ b]Location/Person:[ /b][ list]
[ *] State or Country: Originally St. Louis, MO. College for a year at University of Vermont
[ *] School Type: High school Top 30 private prep school. 2nd tier state school (I think?)
[ *] Ethnicity: white
[ *] Gender: female
[ *] Extracurricular Activities: Intern for Senator Patrick Leahy, co-pres College Democrats, Students Taking Action Now: Darfur, founder Children's Healthcare bill, John Kerry for President, intern at the ACLU, hostess, theatre teacher
[ *] Leadership Positions: co-pres College Democrats
[ *] Volunteer Activities: None
[ *] Total # of hours volunteering: None
[ *] Teams: None
[ *] Number of years or season played in the teams: None
[ *] Perceived Strengths/Weaknesses: Strength: Passion, drive. Weakness: Numbers
[ *] Why you think you were accepted: Passion, drive and genuine love for Harvard. I think my essays are what tipped me in.
[ /list][ b]Other Factors:[ /b]
[ b]General Comments
[ *] Advice Show Harvard who you really are and what you dream of. I don't think very many applicants do that, and they want people with visions. Everyone who I know (I use the term "know" loosely, I mean from here and facebook) that got in as a transfer seems to have such an interesting life, not because they were born in Somalia and are curing cancer in a hot air balloon, but because they made one for themselves, because they are who they are and they follow what they love. Good luck to everyone, maybe I'll see you in Cambridge!</p>

<p>
[quote]
My quest for the average person who got accepted to Harvard is still on.

[/Quote]

Honestly, what is the point of this? What would be the benefit for such a useless quest?</p>

<p>WindCloudUltra: It may not be that bad to get the info.</p>

<p>To find a regular person who got in without any hooks such as URM, athlete, legacy or developmental case. Many people are able to get in with less GPA or Stats with these hooks. My guess is there maybe some but not too many who get in without any hooks.</p>

<p>A lot of people who have extremely high SATs and GPAs really are average people, personality wise. If you take one of those SAT prep courses and really study, I can't imagine it being that hard to get a really good score. I'd rather try to be exceptional in other areas, such as sheer adventerousness and curiosity, and maybe Harvard would rather see that as well. I know plenty of people at Harvard who got in without hooks and perfect stats. They're all really interesting people.</p>

<p>i found this little tidbit about Eugene. he was not an average, unhooked applicant in any respect. according to someone else who read the same book, the op mysteriously left out this information:
[quote]
the article failed to mention that he was black, grew up in Harlem under a single mom addicted to cocaine
oh yeah, and his brother died from a driveby shooting</p>

<p>thats how his essay got him in

[/quote]
</p>

<p>so yeah, he wasn't average either. i mean, even with supposedly average stats, he is still amazing in the fact that he overcame such great obstacles to garner "average" success.</p>

<p>lol... this little piece of information is crucial... I'd call that a double hook (urm+messed up familiy)</p>

<p>i know, pearfire. that's exactly what i thought.</p>

<p>if tragedy is double-hooked, i think i would rather go un-hooked.</p>

<p>anyway im pretty average (good scores and grades, but not perfect; zero prizes, white girl, worst athlete youve ever seen), and i got in as a transfer too. my advice- work hard, play hard, and hope for the best.</p>

<p>I agree with collegedropout. I hate how at times, CC comes to the point where some students wish that they had some kind of "tragedy" or are HFAI-qualified so that they can get in. It doesn't work that way.</p>

<p>Harvard doesn't accept "average" people by any means; that's why Harvard is Harvard. To CC, many applicants may appear to be average, but in reality, they are not.</p>

<p>Take it from me. You are far better having a great familial situation and financial security and going to your flagship state school than having a tragic life and going to Harvard.</p>

<p>Also, think carefully about this question: Could <em>you</em> maintain 2200+ SAT scores and 5 5's on the AP if your family situation was tumultuous? This is a personal question but you must think about it long and hard before assuming that the boost given to people with tragic "hooks" is in any way unfair.</p>

<p>Of course, all this is beside the point since the OP was looking for admits who had "average" stats while at the same time didn't have any "hooks."</p>